why Doe's this government insist on giving money away
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it's like you helping your mate out when soemthings gone wrong
if you can help fine, but if your mate then expects you to fork out from your own pocket and help out when you've got your own shit to sort out that starts to sour the relationship between the "mates"
even worse when you start giving it billy big bollcoks and flashing the cash to boost your ego when your kids are sitting at home eating raw potatoes
sounds a bit different now doesn't it
if you can help fine, but if your mate then expects you to fork out from your own pocket and help out when you've got your own shit to sort out that starts to sour the relationship between the "mates"
even worse when you start giving it billy big bollcoks and flashing the cash to boost your ego when your kids are sitting at home eating raw potatoes
sounds a bit different now doesn't it
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Couldn't agree more.
Note that the replies are usually always from the least educated people who haven't ventured further than the shop at the bottom of their road in their tinpot little town to buy their copy of the Sun and bleat about how this country's "going downhill".
Note that the replies are usually always from the least educated people who haven't ventured further than the shop at the bottom of their road in their tinpot little town to buy their copy of the Sun and bleat about how this country's "going downhill".
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personally no i dont think we should send them money infact i dont think anyone should of.
us and the world should use money given and raised etc to send them USED jcbs, USED lorrys, new medicines, different size tents, bottled water, and send few flights full of people who want to help for free ie drs, nurses, people who wanna clear rubble etc. then its up to them what they do with it either sort themselves out and flurish or which would probably happen and not
us and the world should use money given and raised etc to send them USED jcbs, USED lorrys, new medicines, different size tents, bottled water, and send few flights full of people who want to help for free ie drs, nurses, people who wanna clear rubble etc. then its up to them what they do with it either sort themselves out and flurish or which would probably happen and not
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personally no i dont think we should send them money infact i dont think anyone should of.
us and the world should use money given and raised etc to send them USED jcbs, USED lorrys, new medicines, different size tents, bottled water, and send few flights full of people who want to help for free ie drs, nurses, people who wanna clear rubble etc. then its up to them what they do with it either sort themselves out and flurish or which would probably happen and not
us and the world should use money given and raised etc to send them USED jcbs, USED lorrys, new medicines, different size tents, bottled water, and send few flights full of people who want to help for free ie drs, nurses, people who wanna clear rubble etc. then its up to them what they do with it either sort themselves out and flurish or which would probably happen and not
and would you expect the same should the uk have a natural disasyer like this ?
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But not helping them because somebody else should, or because they're already 'too far gone' is a very nihilistic take on the situation.
I think it's desperately tragic that people can watch the news stories on TV and see (in particular) the Haitian kids suffering, and still come out with lines like "charity begins at home".
I think it's desperately tragic that people can watch the news stories on TV and see (in particular) the Haitian kids suffering, and still come out with lines like "charity begins at home".
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But not helping them because somebody else should, or because they're already 'too far gone' is a very nihilistic take on the situation.
I think it's desperately tragic that people can watch the news stories on TV and see (in particular) the Haitian kids suffering, and still come out with lines like "charity begins at home".
I think it's desperately tragic that people can watch the news stories on TV and see (in particular) the Haitian kids suffering, and still come out with lines like "charity begins at home".
Out of interest what charitys do you give to each year?
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Couldn't agree more.
Note that the replies are usually always from the least educated people who haven't ventured further than the shop at the bottom of their road in their tinpot little town to buy their copy of the Sun and bleat about how this country's "going downhill".
Note that the replies are usually always from the least educated people who haven't ventured further than the shop at the bottom of their road in their tinpot little town to buy their copy of the Sun and bleat about how this country's "going downhill".
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Dan there is a culture in places like Haiti that is not conducive to a positive stable forward thinking self helping society, yes they should be helped but this problem is also very important to allow them to be more self sufficient, the mentality of the world owes them a living is wrong, it is a cultrule difference, but none the less one that exisits atleast in the majority.
Out of interest what charitys do you give to each year?
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Out of interest what charitys do you give to each year?
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don't get me wrong feel for these people was in area when it happened and a few days rior to that a volcano also in that area was/is playing up and you haven't heard a sniff of that. 50 mill is not going to do much when 1 billion is already been given in aid so i think it would be better off at moment going to the areas of britain trying to recover after last years floods.
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but having chq for £xxxxxx doesnt sort that out. having money but everything is fucked you cant spend it. surely its better to have a shit load of diggers to dig mass graves, clear rubble, clear streets so aid can get through. do you know what i mean. if countrys sent vans, lorrys etc then can get on with it and quicker to get them to get back on there feet. giving them a chq for so much money is probably made them richer than they were before the quake. just think there is better ways than saying heres a chq
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cancer research as my grand parents died from it,
nspcc - some kids deserve better then what life has dealt them
unicef- incase one day im fucked aswell
and sponser a child, just doing my part for a poor kid
nspcc - some kids deserve better then what life has dealt them
unicef- incase one day im fucked aswell
and sponser a child, just doing my part for a poor kid
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but having chq for £xxxxxx doesnt sort that out. having money but everything is fucked you cant spend it. surely its better to have a shit load of diggers to dig mass graves, clear rubble, clear streets so aid can get through. do you know what i mean. if countrys sent vans, lorrys etc then can get on with it and quicker to get them to get back on there feet. giving them a chq for so much money is probably made them richer than they were before the quake. just think there is better ways than saying heres a chq
who is paying for the logistics etc ? its not as easy as that
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Dan there is a culture in places like Haiti that is not conducive to a positive stable forward thinking self helping society, yes they should be helped but this problem is also very important to allow them to be more self sufficient, the mentality of the world owes them a living is wrong, it is a culture difference, but none the less one that exisits at least in the majority.
Maybe my view is just because I'm a parent, and I see the kids suffering and wish that they weren't. And maybe should look at the situation less emotively, but I can't.
Clearly baiting, but anyway... I give a small amount (in real terms) to the NSPCC by direct debit.
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challange annaka used to do ok
but seriously i just think there are better ways than giving money. i agree it wont be straight away im sure somethings could be done straight away but if its agreed right at the start to get the ball rolling it would be there by now. i think its good that people help others im all for it but paying it off i dont think helps, it does later on but having things getting cleared, people getting food, water, shelter helps more than a chq in ya presidents bank account sitting there then think now what do we need to do. action is better. if things are shit later on then loan like we had at the end of ww2
but seriously i just think there are better ways than giving money. i agree it wont be straight away im sure somethings could be done straight away but if its agreed right at the start to get the ball rolling it would be there by now. i think its good that people help others im all for it but paying it off i dont think helps, it does later on but having things getting cleared, people getting food, water, shelter helps more than a chq in ya presidents bank account sitting there then think now what do we need to do. action is better. if things are shit later on then loan like we had at the end of ww2
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give a man a fish and he can feed his family for a day, teach him how to fish and he'll feed his family for a lifetime...
we should be teaching these people how to help themselves not throwing money at them.
we should be teaching these people how to help themselves not throwing money at them.
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While I appreciate, and understand the sentiment of what you're saying, the reality is that they need help. Once there is a level of stability, then any assistance should be directed at making the country more self sufficient, and no, that shouldn't be our responsibility.
I dont agree sorry, there is absolutely no point in returning them back to the same place as if and when something happens again they are in no better position to deal with it themselves, a slightly short sighted view l thing Dan
Maybe my view is just because I'm a parent, and I see the kids suffering and wish that they weren't. And maybe should look at the situation less emotively, but I can't.
Clearly baiting, but anyway... I give a small amount (in real terms) to the NSPCC by direct debit.
I dont agree sorry, there is absolutely no point in returning them back to the same place as if and when something happens again they are in no better position to deal with it themselves, a slightly short sighted view l thing Dan
Maybe my view is just because I'm a parent, and I see the kids suffering and wish that they weren't. And maybe should look at the situation less emotively, but I can't.
Clearly baiting, but anyway... I give a small amount (in real terms) to the NSPCC by direct debit.
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yup im a parent and my son is a very lucky boy, he dont go without, and then you see kids who have lost family. home, you aint human if you dont feel anything towards them, and if only a tenner a month makes me feel better and contributes towards them then so be it,
isnt charity about being emotive and helping others alot worse of (sod the doledossers)
isnt charity about being emotive and helping others alot worse of (sod the doledossers)
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yup im a parent and my son is a very lucky boy, he dont go without, and then you see kids who have lost family. home, you aint human if you dont feel anything towards them, and if only a tenner a month makes me feel better and contributes towards them then so be it,
isnt charity about being emotive and helping others alot worse of (sod the doledossers)
isnt charity about being emotive and helping others alot worse of (sod the doledossers)
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The thread, and my replies referred to the grumbling about giving Haiti 50 mill in aid. I didn't get into a debate about what's the best way to spend that money. And if I did I would be of the opinion that we need to help them to be able to help themselves. My daugher's school got involved with a 'Give a Goat' scheme in Ghana, and we donated for that, as that's the kind of charitable giving that promotes them 'helping themselves'. But in the short term money is needed in Haiti to help the crisis from getting even worse. Once people are sheltered and watered, then any cash left over should be all about sustainability/education/self help etc. There's nothing short sighted about my view, I just didn't get into that discussion.
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The thread, and my replies referred to the grumbling about giving Haiti 50 mill in aid. I didn't get into a debate about what's the best way to spend that money. And if I did I would be of the opinion that we need to help them to be able to help themselves. My daugher's school got involved with a 'Give a Goat' scheme in Ghana, and we donated for that, as that's the kind of charitable giving that promotes them 'helping themselves'. But in the short term money is needed in Haiti to help the crisis from getting even worse. Once people are sheltered and watered, then any cash left over should be all about sustainability/education/self help etc. There's nothing short sighted about my view, I just didn't get into that discussion.
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I have absolutely no probelms with the UK giving aid. Yes we have problems but they are long term. Haiti's problems are immediate and require action now.
The UK like many countries will have an aid budget, this £50M will have come from that. It's not like they've took the money off of hospitals or the forces etc, although that point could be argued I suppose, but that money has been set aside for scenario's like this. It won't have any effect on anything else.
I'd hate to think we've become a country that cares little for other people.
The UK like many countries will have an aid budget, this £50M will have come from that. It's not like they've took the money off of hospitals or the forces etc, although that point could be argued I suppose, but that money has been set aside for scenario's like this. It won't have any effect on anything else.
I'd hate to think we've become a country that cares little for other people.