dont say put a 1.6xflow from an xr2 in.
its a mk1 fiesta and it has the original 1100 valencia. its gutless
what can i do to it that isnt to expensive??

 

nitrous and hope for the best lol

 

Ditto.

 

Why bother???


atleast get a decent one, 1300, 1500 pre crossflow tunable lumps

 

ive got a 1.6 from an xr2 lined up but becuase of insurance reasons its just not going to happen this year.
so ive got the 1.1 not to botherd if it blows up, its only done 30,000 miles i recon its about 45bhp

 

Stupid trying to get more power out of it really. Even if you stuck a 40bhp shot of NOS through it you'd still only get about 85bhp and it would probably crap itself in no time. Stick an R1 engine in it!

 

im 17 so cant do anything like that. on the bench we have built a 1640Xflow with a kent cam, webers, high comp pistons etc but the insurance gave me a rediculous quote if were to fit it. so although its pointless on a race sence getting it up to 60 horse power say would just make it as quick as your usual corsa's etc

 

Get a different car then. NOS is a killer on insurance premiums also and a lot of places won't even insure it.

 

If your son is 17, Why don't you let him get used to the car first rather than just want more power

 

keep it standard for a year - get some no claims then zetec it

 

its ok, i wasnt gunna put nos on it lol.
more thinking of tubular manifolds or if there are any standard but bigger carbs out there. or big cams

 

becuase any saxo or corsa is gunna be 60 70hp and at 40 its just crap. im not looking for 800bhp just a few tweeks to give it a bit more poke

 

easiest option must be to fit a 1.3 and don't tell no one

 

So your encouraging him to race his mates with no driving skill?

 

so basically, no. there is nothing u can do to a 1.1 valencia

 

fixed your typo

 

Sleeve the 1.6 xflow down to 1.0

 

u posts arent helpful, no

 

I just think giving a 17 year old more power seems a bit silly. You never said he's raced in any other post above so I just think he's passed his test in the last few months, Like most others I suspect.

 

i understand what ur saying, its not that hes going to have to much power, it just dosent have enough at the moment.

 

I do understand 45bhp might be ridiculously slow but instead of trying to achieve the impossible, why not get him something like a 1.25 Fiesta Zetec? They have about 75-80bhp or so, so should be much better and not going to break laws of physics with speed either.

 

has he tried to get a quote on 1.3 ?

i cant see it going up a ridiculous amount and then with a descent exhaust and a weber carb it will have ok power

the amount you are planning to spend on playing with the 1.1 would prob cover the extra insurance

 

there isnt to much you can do to them really,

apart from make sure the thing is actually running properly, do the valve clearances, air filter and exhaust, swap over to electronic ign if it hasnt got it already,

the best thing to do with a little engine like that imo is make the car brake and handle so you can keep the power going through the bends,

Xr2 brakes, and a good quailty suspension kit would probably let him keep up with his mates on the twisty roads, they dont handle to badly when played with tbh, i had one as a first car many years ago

all you misurable peeps telling him not to,

you were 17 once, and i bet you were all playing with cars, its fun ffs

 

not sure if the engines are the same as what i had in my mk2 escort (711m block 1600 crossflow) but the bore sizes from 1100 to 1600 where the same so u cud swap intenals about. in mine i had 1300 pistons 1600 rods and crank to give i higher compression. with head work and a pinto carb it went well. but thats if its possible with the valencia engine of course

 

i had a twin choke webber carb off a 1600 on my 1.1 escort(need to open up the top of the inlet manifold a bit to stop it restricting it and a straight through exhaust on mine did make it more responsive gave me nearly 10mph top end .

but then as above i put a 1600 xflow in on twin 40s

 

with the money spending on making itfaster wouldnt he be better off spending it on insuring a faster car to start with ?

when i was 17 i has a xr3i, my mates all had metros and my insurance was 500 quid a year more expensive,,,,,,,, though i never actually paied it in the end but thats another story

tell him to buy a toyota starlet gt.... 1.3 turbo, cheep to tax, cheepish to insure and fucking fun to drive !!!

 

or actually i bought my Ex a 1.4 renault clio,,,, now its not the fastest thing in the world but its bloody nippy and doe 100mph,,,,,eventually though the handling is totally wank

get that for a year, get some no claims then buy a real car

the clio cost me 300 quid and costs me 800 a year to insure,,, and thats a provisional licence in a rough postcode for a car thats,,,,, not great but still sort of fun to drive

 

I was out getting laid, drinking and other stuff that teenagers do.. thats fun too, right?

 

I agree with Ginge... buy a faster car to start with, although if all he is using it for is pottering around the roads and trying to stay away from having to re-sit his test after six months for being banned stick with what he has.

Can I just say this too, having a car full of mates when you've just passed your test is not a good thing.

They say that when you pass your test "you learn to drive" from thereon in, and having a car load full will only distract him.

Sorry, I think he should stick with the 1.1.

 

id give it a damm good service and maybe take some weight out of it (i know theres not much in a mk1 fiesta but still )

do things with parts you have lieing about, if you have an airfilter, bang it on, manifold, exhaust system etc, get them on

make sure its on the smallest wheels it can be, itll only have little brakes i presume so no point having 13's if 12's will fit

failing that take the head off and attack it with a dremel, and the carb while your there

id make sure it was all clean though inside to stop restrictions of the air and fuel in the engine

one thing my dads mate did to his moped might help...bore the fuel injectors out

 

there is quite a bit a bit you can do to the valencia, ford rally'd 1.1's back in the day, there was various 909 parts available inclding factory twin 36 dcnf's, four branch manifolds, big valve heads, various cams (iirc the best was a kent a3 still available) steel rocker posts, duplex timing gear, oil coolers, sump guards etc etc etc, remember the xr2 came a good few years after the original 1.1's came out so it was all they had to use to rally in the fiesta's, i have a rare mk1 1.1s and i'm going down the route of modiflying the original engine rather than just throwing a turbo lump or 16 or 17 x/f in it. Try this site http://www.fiesta-mk1.co.uk/forum/index.php im registered on here as trickster say hello!

 

My first car was a sierra twin cam, and if im honest i think if i had have half the power i would have had an accident, its quite nice ignorantly pulling out of a junction in front of some one (like all recently passed have done) and being able to accelerate safely away. Saying that though i have plenty of friends who would have spanked a car (and did) with anything more the 15bhp. So if he is responsable enough and knows what he's doing i really don't see the problem with squeezing a few more donkeys out of it.

However i had a friend with a 1.1 mk1 and honestly it really wasn't very slow, we concluded that it was either because it weighed nothing or it had a 1.3 in it lol....

I would suggest (like the others have said) making sure it is actually running well, as even 10brake makes a difference in a 600-700KG car

Failing that slip a 1.3 lump in it. Pretty sure they look like a 1.1, probably less obvious having a standard 1.3 than a breathed on 1.1........

Rob,

 

iv'e got the 1.1 valencia in mine and they can be quite nippy, mine started loosing power badly once it was warmed up, but for a 1.1 it was very quiet,i noticed my coolant was turning black and i was getting oil in there so i did my head gasket a couple of weeks ago, while i had it all apart i gave the rocker assembly a good clean,pushrods etc. put it back together,did the valve clearances to the book, and now it's tappety as feck, there is barely any wear to speak of on the rocker arms,i have the gaps set correctly but it's bloody horrible.

 

Bin it?

 

i had mk2 fiesta van at 17 .1ltr stayed in for a week then a 1.6 orion engine got droped in even me old man was ok with not telling insurance

 

Find a tip and put it in it, Or donate it to the history museam and put something more powerful in the car.

Like a food mixer!

 

when i was 19 i got a mk2 escort 1300 n popped a 1600 in, theres no difference in appearance, other than the engine code n a few milimetres in height, even swapped the rocker cover over so it still said 1300HC, if you can make it look like a 1100 then do that, its naughty but not exactly like your droppin in a turbo'd lump, then when your older get it insured proper, but nobody on here told you to do that, sssshhhhh

 

we used to sell these mk1 fiesta's back in the day and some 1.1's would go really well, nearly the same as a 1.3, and then you'd get the average ones which were just plain slow.

So if you sort out all the basic things it should go ok (well, acceptably slow).

The 1.1 and the 1.3 engine look very different so no point trying to swap them without declaring.

 

Get the cam reprofiled (I'm pretty sure piper are willing do do this), head skimmed, clean up everything, service it, free flowing air filter and exhaust and a carb off a 1.6 or something, thats as far as I'd go, there was a fiesta mk1 1.1 a couple of months ago in the readers cars section of classic ford which had the 1.1 tuned to 120bhp, but I don't think you should go that far just yet.

 

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