bloody hell what a suprising responce to these men

 

Exactly. Chasing the intruder(s) AFTER he fled the property, showed clear intention of nothing other than physical violence and "retribution" (for want of a better word?), and that, in a civilised society, is unacceptable.

The intruder actually didn't harm anyone, physically at least, and should the attack on his person occured within the premesis he had broken into, the sentence may well have been lesser than it was.

However, he had already left the premesis, so chasing him and beating him ddn't achieve anything, or avert anything, and cannot be considered self defense.

I saw a good film that echo's this recently called FELON, starring Stephen Dorff - deffo worth a watch

 

lmfao,the what if card is shown on the tv and in news papers most days.
i have seen the beaten and bloody faces of people unable to defend themselfs from these mindless morons.

 

ok, its against the law but i believe its one of those situations where a blind eye should be turnt.

the guy is the lowest of the low, he did deserve what he got.

 

Thief got everything he deserved, I salute the bat swinger

Theif should pay for a new bat too

A decent use for a cricket bat, much better than the game of cricket,

Should be renamed burglar bat

 

there used to be a car steering lock shaped like a baseball bat it was called 'a billy bat'

 

woop woop!! someone who can also look on it from the right side

lmfao papers such as "the sun" who exaggerate things and tv which is all for entertainment and ratings...of course they are going to say "what if" and put idea's in ya head as to "what could have happened" to draw you in!!!

and the fact is ........ who had a beaten and bloodied face....oh yer not the original victim!!!!!!!!

x

 

Good on them the cunt wont break into any other poor fuckers house now will he.

 

Way I see it, the perpetrators of the beating are just as guilty, if not MORE guilty, than the scumbag that broke into the house and threatened to kill people. Reason I say more guilty, is the original criminal didn't actually hurt anyone, just threaten. The "victims" specifically chased him down with the intent of grevious bodily harm, and quite possibly the intention of killing him/them. So in reality, they went a step further than the guy that broke into their house.

I'm not saying they are totally at fault, I can fully understand where they are coming from, but the fact remains they too broke the law, and in this case, more so than the guy that broke in.

 

this is exactly the point that ive been trying to put across!! Lol just glad that someone else can see it too and put it in to better words

x

 

if you were in the same position what do you think youd have done?

i only ask as im intrested in your answer based on your previous posts on this thread




sorry this was for Thrush

 

i fully see what your saying and fully understand but imo the law is wrong and imo i dont feel they deserve the sentence they have recived for taking out the waste of space

 

i dont know who that was aimed at?? lol

but i know if it was me, i would just be thankful that the guy had done a runner and left us alone, rather than what could have been worse! Then the police would have been called...i can't see how running after someone who has just been threatening to kill you is actually going to solve anything when he could have just lead you off anywhere when your running after him, and he could have had anyone waiting round the corner or anything!

i know that is saying "what if" but that it what goes thru ya head when ya faced with a situation that you haven't been in before, you have to keep a cool head, the minute you let it all slip like they did, is when it all goes horribly wrong and you end up being the offender instead, i know what im goin to say now is goin back to a different situation but its a situation that you dont hear of people being in every day and well i know that by not rising to her and making her pull that trigger is the reason i am here today, if i had reacted and gone blazing at her i doubt i would be here or at least be in the health that i am cos at the distance she was...if she had fired it i would be f*cked!!

but as i said earlier in this now epic thread...no one can say what they would do because until your actually in a situation like this or like in my own...we can all sit here and speculate what we would do but until the time comes no one knows!

x

 

the law maybe wrong...the law was wrong in my situation but at the end of the day ... they commited an offence much larger and much more serious than he originally did...leading the courts to hand out the sentance that they did

x

 

fucking ridiculous IMO.

 

I can't see how people can defend this vegetable? The chances are he may have came back to retaliate. He's a piece of fucking scum who went out of his way to harm someone. Emotionally and physically. It backfired on the little scrotum and now he's suffering. You're all claiming 'By this time he'd left the house' Yeah, the house he should never have been in, in the first place. He got all he deserved. You claim he'd left the house, which means the fact of the matter that he'd just been throwing a knife at your family, all goes away does it? No it doesn't. He got all he deserved, and anyone defending him is a mug.

Benni.

 

You have no idea what he could have done. If it didn't backfire he might have knifed and killed some poor mans wife, leaving him without her for the rest of his life. We should all be counting are blessing he is now retarded. Because I tell you what, I'd rather he can't wipe his own arse than that poor man living the rest of his life without an innocent family member.

Benni.

 

there were 3 guys in the first place holding knives
if you read other reports, they ran away when the bloke untied himself and threw a tale at them
the whole family had been tied up and were forced to wriggle on the floor

so 4 victims running after 3 crims, catch one of the crims, give him a right proper shoeing

doesn't sound as cut and dried does it

 

I'd take the 30months if i knew the cunt that broke into my home and threatened my family was brain damaged and fucked up for the rest of his life

 

the scum deserved to die.

think of the misery and expense that could have been avoided had the guy been put down 20 years ago when they worked out hed never change! instead i bet weve been paying the cunt benefits most his life while hes earned shit loads from his thefts. And now we will have to pay disabilty too.

 

Have you ever had a fight? you keep talking about reasonable force to defend yourself but if you've ever had a fight all thats going through your head is "hes gonna kill me", you naturally dont stop fighting till your lights are out, his lights are out or someone completely backs off (in some cases you still get a beating when you've had enough and want out)

If someones intruded into your house (i know in this case they chased him down the road) naturally your not gonna stop fighting till you STOP the intruder which may include him becoming unconsious, im pretty sure that wouldn't fall under the reasonable force bullshit rights we have.

My friend done 9 months for fracturing someones cheek bone, it only took him 2 punches (dont know which one done the damage) to floor the trouble making prick, i told him to run but he stayed, old bill turned up within seconds and arrested him

 

lets put it this way..

family tied up, nothing to defend yourself with and threats probably being issued that your family will be slashed and killed if you try anything smart... which will have mostly been said along those lines to the people in that house by the burglars..... not mentioned on here yet.

guy gets free, throws table to take out one of the people, they all run now that one mand free and in a pissed off mood, he notify's neighbours and helps family, neighbours decide to help... and chase after one of them.

catch up with the guy and the person who's family was held hostage now decides "fuck you, you aint coming back to hurt my family again!" and with his friends beats the shit out of him for threatening his families life with not only words, but weapons and scaremongoring with tying them up.

man jailed for protecting his family and giving the lawless a piece of their own doing...

do we know what the now veggie state crim did to previous people who have suffered from him at all? NO

all we know is, someone stood up for that age old value of protecting his family no matter what.... and paid the price for going too far in the laws views.

but these days, what does the law actually do? ive had several people all friends burgaled or attacked, police do nothing apart from a statement and thats it, cant do much else as the people dont know their attackers and the one person that did stand up to them is now himself in shit with the courts for defending his son while terminally ill for not leaving them to basically take all his possessions that he wanted to leave his family when he dies.

I'd take the jail term any day if it meant that my family would be safe and crims know not to mess with my house again! but others will and have disagree'd, and thats fair points made by them, it WAS ott to make him brain damaged from that, cricket bats and hocket sticks DIDNT have to be used, but were....... name a situation where you're so pissed off and angry you didnt have control of your actions, but later on reget? i know ive had them before and wasnt proud, but at the time it was the right thing to do.

 

i think you keep missing the point, if you come home and are greated by your family lying on the floor being threatened by someone with a knife saying he's gona kill them will that not get on your nerves???? not even a lil bit????? coz it would mine, id be full of un-imaginable rage. I dont think there would be anything that would click in my head while im smashing his skull in with a bat that would make me stop weather its in my front room or down the street.

In a way i think the men done a perfect job on him, didn't kill him and get 15 years each, instead their actions left him in a veggitated state which is worse coz he's dead but not )if that makes sense), suffer till you die and they got a few months. Im sure most would rather be dead then a vegitable, lol, got what he deserved.

 

also have some of these

you agree he has 50 convictions then you go on to say "wonder why we have police and courts" as if to deffend the justice system.

if you didn't understand let me help you. If hes got over 50 convictions and is still walking the streets or still being a criminal then NO, the police/courts are not doing their job.

 

as i stated further up the thread...no one knows what these 50 convictions were for?? and conviction means that he has been charged with these as the courts/police saw fit! We can all speculate on what these previous spent convictions were, but no one knows, this could well have been the one and only time he went for the big time...hence why he ran off....or at least tried cos he got himself in too deep this time....who knows eh!

x

 

the old insanity plea would have worked here, just like it did for sam jackson in that film, they was temp a bit bonkers and then stopped when they came tn their senses

 

moral of the story is, dont allow the thieving cunts to be in the position to tell anyone what happened

 

They should have dragged the guy back to the house to wait for the Police and beat him up when he pulled a knife out of his pocket whist he tried to escape again

I had a guy try climb through my window when I was watching tv one night he didn't get in I was watching him he slipped woke the dog up and he ran off I didn't bother chasing him 1 cos I'm not a fast runner and 2 it would have been an attack on the street with a cricket bat and I'd have got nicked for it.

I called the Police and they asked me what I wanted them to do about it I said get in your little car and drive around looking for him before he climbs in another window the person on the phone didn't like that.

 

The difference that seems to be eluding you, is that one person was making a victim of an innocent family, the other was making a victim of a nasty cunt who fucking deserved it

 

Yes I have had a fight on more than one occasion, like most people, and in one case in fact I didnt stop hitting the other person until after he was so badly damaged that he apparently ended up registered blind.
This was someone who attacked me in my own home and did so without provocation, and without doubt the first few punches I threw would be classed as self defence, altough I suspect some of the latter ones may not have still be considered reasonable force anymore, so I identify quite strongly with the people who have been sentanced in this case, as there but the grace of god go I!


My point was merely that we do have laws allowing you to defend yourself, which it was said that we didnt, so that was incorrect.
The fact that most of us find it difficult to judge the point at which to stop, especially when adrenalin is flowing, is up to the courts to decide about ultimately, but when you have taken the time to go and get tooled up and get some mates together and then chase someone down the street, there is a quite clear cut difference between that and say my situation where the person was still on my property and was still trying to fight back, if someone is 4 streets away curled up in a ball on the floor, its relatively obvious even to someone high on adrenalin that he isnt a threat anymore at that moment.
Although the law doesnt allow for the fact that he may come back and exact revenge on you for foiling his attempted crime of course, so in that context he IS still a threat.

Complicated situation!

 

you lot make me laugh:

rite for starters who says he is in a vegie state? brain damage doesnt mean you become a moron over night, it can be anything from being totally retarded to a lazy eye or something you may not even notice!

secondly, who says they "went looking for weopens"?
i dont know how many of you have chased after someone (even as kids in a game of tig) but you dont get much choice to wonder round the house making a choice, you would pick up whats to hand, they were asian so are likely (sorry stereotyping here!) to be cricket fans= cricket bat children?=hocky stick etc etc

we have allsorts round the house which are/could be weopens some intentionaly there in tha case of a break in others not.

now to the point in question;

you have come home to find 4 men in your house wielding knifes, we dont know however if this knife is a butter knife of a sword, a knife doesnt just come in one size rememeber! your family are all tied up, in tears fearing for their lifes...not only ow but imagine the future, mr robber gets left with a lazy eye where as you famly are left distressed, children may become depressed, mentally ill or just downright loopy as a result (remember it effects different people in diff ways especially children) so they are the first people on your mind.

one or more break free and the robbers start to flee, you follow to make sure they are away from your house and to catch/restrain them (not necersarily for the law but as its first nature if on the offensive) im sure things would be alot different for most of you if you had children!
you catch one who then goes for you with said knife (rememeber its not a clear story!) so you hit him and he keeps going for you (iv been hit with bats before and stayed standing, you take another swing (just one!) and catch him round the head nock him out and hey presto you gave him "brain damage"

looks a bit different like that doesnt it?

either way, you threaten me/my family/my home and i will take you within a inch of your life and claim i was attacked. you call it vigilante, i call it human nature. protect your own. we have three types of people now days the bullys the do gooders and them few who can think outside the box.

were animals at the end of the day, civilised maybe but animals non the less.

ps apologies for spelings.

 

I think most people would want to "get" a person that had threaten their family with a knife regardless if they were robbing their home or not.

The mistake they made was unrepairable damage to this robber. (Some say his mentality is better now than it was before the incident, all we know is he won't be out robbing again)

I personally do not feel that the robber is the victim and i am open minded enough to attempt to put myself in the victims shoes and, whilst i do not think that the outcome is a win win (they should off got the other two too) i can understand why he would go after them and attack them.

An eye for an eye will leave everyone blind.

 

With 50 convictions I would argue that the police are doing their job, but the country as a whole is continually let down by the courts. Now bear in mind the courts are guided by central govt, who actually want less people in jail as it costs too much money. I know who I blame for him being out and about and able to commit crime.

 

we need more prisons, then less criminals would get suspended sentance's etc, however more prisons would cost the tax payer even more

 

why?

you bild a prison in the middle of nowhere
you have running water and electrcity there
you make them shit in a pot and once a day you give them food and water
simply swapping buckets over
job done
no getting out early
no learning stuff
they are there to eliminate them from scociety so they do their time
then, once they've done their time then they can get out and elarn how to live a normal life
3 strikes and you are out shoudl apply, and then they just send them to live in solitary confiment for the rest of their lives, in the same conditions

as soon as peole start to think "poor criminal, shouldn't rtreat them like excluded members of the comunity,we should make them confortable2 and all the other lefty bullshit that goes along with it then thigns start to go to shit

if we chopped off the hands of burgalurs then they shoudln't get squat, other than special toilet roll holders in which they get to have a helping hand wiping their arses

 

Just heard that apparently the custodial sentance for the guy has been overturned by a court of appeal who have given him a suspended sentance like I recomended in the first place.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/b...ts/8469850.stm

And his brothers sentance has been reduced.

 

How hard must he of hit him to break the cricket bat in 3 places

 

any one come into my place near my misses whos carrying my child i would catch them tie them up and break parts of their body in various painfull ways thrn when i got bored with that i would throw them off a multi story car park with just a rope round their balls.