Cost of a 500bhp T4 Engine?
08-12-2009, 04:49 PM
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but james with the ports the same length as were before you grinded them and also holding the same amount of parafin and look by eye the same, 500bhp could be acieved my 1500 build wouldnt exactly be the strongest lol so whats a coulpe of mm accross the ports going to matter!!lol epecially it shes mapped to over fuel over come the pikey porting!! 
08-12-2009, 04:51 PM
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but james with the ports the same length as were before you grinded them and also holding the same amount of parafin and look by eye the same, 500bhp could be acieved my 1500 build wouldnt exactly be the strongest lol so whats a coulpe of mm accross the ports going to matter!!lol epecially it shes mapped to over fuel over come the pikey porting!!
08-12-2009, 04:52 PM
#47
The price depends on what you parts you already have and there condition.
For example i already have a T4, ST inlet, Big cooler, 200 block, standard Crank, and L8 ECU. Now for me to get to 500bhp is going to cost alot less than someone who has a standard 2wd saph.
For example i already have a T4, ST inlet, Big cooler, 200 block, standard Crank, and L8 ECU. Now for me to get to 500bhp is going to cost alot less than someone who has a standard 2wd saph.
08-12-2009, 04:55 PM
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but james with the ports the same length as were before you grinded them and also holding the same amount of parafin and look by eye the same, 500bhp could be acieved my 1500 build wouldnt exactly be the strongest lol so whats a coulpe of mm accross the ports going to matter!!lol epecially it shes mapped to over fuel over come the pikey porting!!
Doubt much you'd get 500bhp on a 3" exhaust....you'd need one 044 atleast and a rewire...clutch, adj pulleys, 500 cooler, ECU...
08-12-2009, 04:56 PM
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08-12-2009, 05:17 PM
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Just gone through most of my reciepts for the major engine components ive used in an effort to hit 500 bhp.... theres over Ł7.5k worth here. it includes new motorsport block , new T4 turbo ,head and block mods and machining, long stud kit etc , cam , RS500 plenum, injectors, fuel pumps.... and its all the bits that add up!
08-12-2009, 05:42 PM
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Yea, same as plenty people done 330bhp on a T3
Wouldnt say it's impossible, but it'll be a big restriction...
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08-12-2009, 06:22 PM
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08-12-2009, 06:28 PM
#64
lol at most of you lot..do you think we use different components to everyone else or something????read what i said above!!!not once did i say a t4 was shit i just said theres newer and cheaper ways than an old t4(Ł1500)and 8 injector system(Ł1200-Ł1500 on plenum)8 injector ecu(Ł500 2nd hand)these days...
I also said as long as you have something to work with ie crank rods and head atleast and of course if you had a good 200 block even easier thats why i buy as many as poss...
iv had and done many 500 bhp engines and with a 4 injector setup can be done for that money and funnily enough theyve al been good and do get a good ragging...
if it makes you feel better to spend more like 8k and 10k then fine its your cash butfunnily enough al tuners are still using the same components and 500 bhp these days isnt hard to achieve...
of course you can buy a new block new crank etc and of course its going to cost you more, iv just stated that if you have a base its not as much as everyone states...
also who ever has mentioned me and paul hills in the tag is a nob because other than mapping a few cars for me hes never had nothing to do with any of my work/jobs
cheers danny
I also said as long as you have something to work with ie crank rods and head atleast and of course if you had a good 200 block even easier thats why i buy as many as poss...
iv had and done many 500 bhp engines and with a 4 injector setup can be done for that money and funnily enough theyve al been good and do get a good ragging...
if it makes you feel better to spend more like 8k and 10k then fine its your cash butfunnily enough al tuners are still using the same components and 500 bhp these days isnt hard to achieve...
of course you can buy a new block new crank etc and of course its going to cost you more, iv just stated that if you have a base its not as much as everyone states...
also who ever has mentioned me and paul hills in the tag is a nob because other than mapping a few cars for me hes never had nothing to do with any of my work/jobs
cheers danny
08-12-2009, 06:35 PM
#65
lol at most of you lot..do you think we use different components to everyone else or something????read what i said above!!!not once did i say a t4 was shit i just said theres newer and cheaper ways than an old t4(Ł1500)and 8 injector system(Ł1200-Ł1500 on plenum)8 injector ecu(Ł500 2nd hand)these days...
I also said as long as you have something to work with ie crank rods and head atleast and of course if you had a good 200 block even easier thats why i buy as many as poss...
iv had and done many 500 bhp engines and with a 4 injector setup can be done for that money and funnily enough theyve al been good and do get a good ragging...
if it makes you feel better to spend more like 8k and 10k then fine its your cash butfunnily enough al tuners are still using the same components and 500 bhp these days isnt hard to achieve...
of course you can buy a new block new crank etc and of course its going to cost you more, iv just stated that if you have a base its not as much as everyone states...
also who ever has mentioned me and paul hills in the tag is a nob because other than mapping a few cars for me hes never had nothing to do with any of my work/jobs
cheers danny
I also said as long as you have something to work with ie crank rods and head atleast and of course if you had a good 200 block even easier thats why i buy as many as poss...
iv had and done many 500 bhp engines and with a 4 injector setup can be done for that money and funnily enough theyve al been good and do get a good ragging...
if it makes you feel better to spend more like 8k and 10k then fine its your cash butfunnily enough al tuners are still using the same components and 500 bhp these days isnt hard to achieve...
of course you can buy a new block new crank etc and of course its going to cost you more, iv just stated that if you have a base its not as much as everyone states...
also who ever has mentioned me and paul hills in the tag is a nob because other than mapping a few cars for me hes never had nothing to do with any of my work/jobs
cheers danny
To be fair tho you arnt well know for building 500 bhp engines are you , Not a dig , its just those that are dont build them for 6k they charge a lot more and there engines are well know for doing 500bhp and above and doing it reliably
Anyone can build a 500hp engine but will it last is the question
As said before , you get whay you pay for
08-12-2009, 06:52 PM
#66
an engine iv recently built for an irish guy..
std 4x4 engine...head ported 26mm in and out Ł600
new valve seats ,platforms ,f1 spec springs, re seat valves,new bd16 inlet bd14 ex Ł800
rebore block .5 face deck and machine for long stud kit Ł200
polish and grind crank std mains .25 bigs Ł130
new mahle pistons Ł375
piston machining and valve cutouts Ł120
new long stud kit Ł140
new hp cosworth oil pump 4x4 spec Ł185
new wrc headgasket Ł130
gt30 set up turbo wastegate new elbow conversion Ł1575
new hart inlet plenum Ł400
new 83 lb siemens Ł220
new arp con rod bolts Ł50
gaskets cam belt and sundries Ł200
and i think youl find theres still not a bad profit there @Ł6900 quoted and has only taken 3 weeks in al to do
thats what its cost me to do for some one....if any one thinks theres something wrong with that then like i said before go and spend 10k if it makes you feel better
cheers danny
std 4x4 engine...head ported 26mm in and out Ł600
new valve seats ,platforms ,f1 spec springs, re seat valves,new bd16 inlet bd14 ex Ł800
rebore block .5 face deck and machine for long stud kit Ł200
polish and grind crank std mains .25 bigs Ł130
new mahle pistons Ł375
piston machining and valve cutouts Ł120
new long stud kit Ł140
new hp cosworth oil pump 4x4 spec Ł185
new wrc headgasket Ł130
gt30 set up turbo wastegate new elbow conversion Ł1575
new hart inlet plenum Ł400
new 83 lb siemens Ł220
new arp con rod bolts Ł50
gaskets cam belt and sundries Ł200
and i think youl find theres still not a bad profit there @Ł6900 quoted and has only taken 3 weeks in al to do
thats what its cost me to do for some one....if any one thinks theres something wrong with that then like i said before go and spend 10k if it makes you feel better
cheers danny
08-12-2009, 07:01 PM
#67
an engine iv recently built for an irish guy..
std 4x4 engine...head ported 26mm in and out Ł600
new valve seats ,platforms ,f1 spec springs, re seat valves,new bd16 inlet bd14 ex Ł800
rebore block .5 face deck and machine for long stud kit Ł200
polish and grind crank std mains .25 bigs Ł130
new mahle pistons Ł375
piston machining and valve cutouts Ł120
new long stud kit Ł140
new hp cosworth oil pump 4x4 spec Ł185
new wrc headgasket Ł130
gt30 set up turbo wastegate new elbow conversion Ł1575
new hart inlet plenum Ł400
new 83 lb siemens Ł220
new arp con rod bolts Ł50
gaskets cam belt and sundries Ł200
and i think youl find theres still not a bad profit there @Ł6900 quoted and has only taken 3 weeks in al to do
thats what its cost me to do for some one....if any one thinks theres something wrong with that then like i said before go and spend 10k if it makes you feel better
cheers danny
std 4x4 engine...head ported 26mm in and out Ł600
new valve seats ,platforms ,f1 spec springs, re seat valves,new bd16 inlet bd14 ex Ł800
rebore block .5 face deck and machine for long stud kit Ł200
polish and grind crank std mains .25 bigs Ł130
new mahle pistons Ł375
piston machining and valve cutouts Ł120
new long stud kit Ł140
new hp cosworth oil pump 4x4 spec Ł185
new wrc headgasket Ł130
gt30 set up turbo wastegate new elbow conversion Ł1575
new hart inlet plenum Ł400
new 83 lb siemens Ł220
new arp con rod bolts Ł50
gaskets cam belt and sundries Ł200
and i think youl find theres still not a bad profit there @Ł6900 quoted and has only taken 3 weeks in al to do
thats what its cost me to do for some one....if any one thinks theres something wrong with that then like i said before go and spend 10k if it makes you feel better
cheers danny
Danny
Inever said it couldnt be done , Its just not the kind of 500hp engine i would want
Nothing wrong i quess just i would rather spend more for a better spec engine
08-12-2009, 07:01 PM
#68
To be fair tho you arnt well know for building 500 bhp engines are you , Not a dig , its just those that are dont build them for 6k they charge a lot more and there engines are well know for doing 500bhp and above and doing it reliably
Anyone can build a 500hp engine but will it last is the question
As said before , you get whay you pay for
Anyone can build a 500hp engine but will it last is the question
As said before , you get whay you pay for
these people want others to think something magic has been done to thier engines...
3 front cover cars in the last 18 months al with over 500bhp i built ..alot of engines people say joe stevens built i actualy built them...
i dont know who built your engine paul but i gaurantee it wont be any different inside to any other well built engine..
cheers danny
08-12-2009, 07:07 PM
#69
theres actualy a few people on here that i have done thier engines and at a bloody good deal that are still getting major abuse its just the only people that shout on here or get seen are the boys that go to scs or mad or martin...
these people want others to think something magic has been done to thier engines...
3 front cover cars in the last 18 months al with over 500bhp i built ..alot of engines people say joe stevens built i actualy built them...
i dont know who built your engine paul but i gaurantee it wont be any different inside to any other well built engine..
cheers danny
these people want others to think something magic has been done to thier engines...
3 front cover cars in the last 18 months al with over 500bhp i built ..alot of engines people say joe stevens built i actualy built them...
i dont know who built your engine paul but i gaurantee it wont be any different inside to any other well built engine..
cheers danny
The problem is Danny your engines arnt well know so people will always spend more to have one built by a builder who has built the well know fast reliable cars
also tho its different for me as owning rs500"s im half way there and naturally would go T4 8Inj as my cars have them fitted as std so saves me thousands
The longer you are at the game i quess the more well known your engines will be and will have proved themselfs
The other issue is also what builders do "IF " there engines do let go
after sales service is also worth paying a bit more for
08-12-2009, 07:16 PM
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If i wanted 500bhp for a road car i would go to SCS. I've heard (and not putting any other tuner down) his engine builds can take serious abuse from what i've seen. I know of 2 people who have had their engines for over 2+ years and haven't gone wrong once after a good caning on track and road 
08-12-2009, 07:17 PM
#71
The problem is Danny your engines arnt well know so people will always spend more to have one built by a builder who has built the well know fast reliable cars
also tho its different for me as owning rs500"s im half way there and naturally would go T4 8Inj as my cars have them fitted as std so saves me thousands
The longer you are at the game i quess the more well known your engines will be and will have proved themselfs
The other issue is also what builders do "IF " there engines do let go
after sales service is also worth paying a bit more for
also tho its different for me as owning rs500"s im half way there and naturally would go T4 8Inj as my cars have them fitted as std so saves me thousands
The longer you are at the game i quess the more well known your engines will be and will have proved themselfs
The other issue is also what builders do "IF " there engines do let go
after sales service is also worth paying a bit more for
iv owned 3 rs 500s and of course every one of them on t4 8 injector and every one of them 500bhp plus so i know where your coming from but thats got nothing to do with this thread...the thread is how much is a t4 500 bhp engine?..
i said a price and everyone thinks because its not a million quid it will fall apart!!!
cheers danny
08-12-2009, 07:21 PM
#73
If i wanted 500bhp for a road car i would go to SCS. I've heard (and not putting any other tuner down) his engine builds can take serious abuse from what i've seen. I know of 2 people who have had their engines for over 2+ years and haven't gone wrong once after a good caning on track and road
funny though when i took one apart there was nothing different inside than i do myself at all!!!
cheers danny
08-12-2009, 07:23 PM
#74
PF's Guitar God!!!
Thread Starter
And how much do you charge for 500bhp using a T4 and RS500 Plenum w/8 Injectors?
08-12-2009, 07:24 PM
#75
theres actualy a few people on here that i have done thier engines and at a bloody good deal that are still getting major abuse its just the only people that shout on here or get seen are the boys that go to scs or mad or martin...
these people want others to think something magic has been done to thier engines...
3 front cover cars in the last 18 months al with over 500bhp i built ..alot of engines people say joe stevens built i actualy built them...
i dont know who built your engine paul but i gaurantee it wont be any different inside to any other well built engine..
cheers danny
these people want others to think something magic has been done to thier engines...
3 front cover cars in the last 18 months al with over 500bhp i built ..alot of engines people say joe stevens built i actualy built them...
i dont know who built your engine paul but i gaurantee it wont be any different inside to any other well built engine..
cheers danny
the thing with building a good engine is not getting 500hp, thats easy, t4 32psi there you go,
the hardest bit is speccing cams comp and head as you well know to make it pull down low fairly well, but also, get them to rev/peak to/at 7500 and not be falling off power at 6500 which cossie love to do !
if you see one of our t4 engines, 4k latest coming on boost (due to turbo !) and it will peak at 7500, so you still have a good usable power band, ive seen other engine builders engines on our dyno and they fall off power much earlier
presentation is key also, spend a couple of hundred quid plating bolts, water blasting manifolds ect ect , goes a long way
not to forget, you can do 500hp cheap or you can do it properly, alot of the "expensive tuners" engines are done poperly, not thrown together with anything,
jim
08-12-2009, 07:28 PM
#77
i think you'll find most scs costomers are fairly quiet on here, its only me thats gobby,.. lol !
the thing with building a good engine is not getting 500hp, thats easy, t4 32psi there you go,
the hardest bit is speccing cams comp and head as you well know to make it pull down low fairly well, but also, get them to rev/peak to/at 7500 and not be falling off power at 6500 which cossie love to do !
if you see one of our t4 engines, 4k latest coming on boost (due to turbo !) and it will peak at 7500, so you still have a good usable power band, ive seen other engine builders engines on our dyno and they fall off power much earlier
presentation is key also, spend a couple of hundred quid plating bolts, water blasting manifolds ect ect , goes a long way
not to forget, you can do 500hp cheap or you can do it properly, alot of the "expensive tuners" engines are done poperly, not thrown together with anything,
jim
the thing with building a good engine is not getting 500hp, thats easy, t4 32psi there you go,
the hardest bit is speccing cams comp and head as you well know to make it pull down low fairly well, but also, get them to rev/peak to/at 7500 and not be falling off power at 6500 which cossie love to do !
if you see one of our t4 engines, 4k latest coming on boost (due to turbo !) and it will peak at 7500, so you still have a good usable power band, ive seen other engine builders engines on our dyno and they fall off power much earlier
presentation is key also, spend a couple of hundred quid plating bolts, water blasting manifolds ect ect , goes a long way
not to forget, you can do 500hp cheap or you can do it properly, alot of the "expensive tuners" engines are done poperly, not thrown together with anything,
jim
cheers danny
08-12-2009, 07:37 PM
#78
by the time youve bought that lot you looking at over 4k alone!!! so already 2k more than my engine spec....with a gt 30 and 4 siemens you will have a more drivable tourque spread from as low as 3300 revs and the spread will last through to app 7.5k,its a new world 500 bhp even more dosile when normal driving and just as aggresive as a t4 after 5k..
cheers danny
08-12-2009, 07:38 PM
#79
danny, i think your engine will be fine, from the spec of it when we last spoke it should be well on for the power, im looking forward to how it does mate, i wasnt doubting your engines, just giving my opinion on a cheap (not pointing at you at all) and a more expensive engine and how they can sometimes be miles apart !
08-12-2009, 07:45 PM
#80
danny, i think your engine will be fine, from the spec of it when we last spoke it should be well on for the power, im looking forward to how it does mate, i wasnt doubting your engines, just giving my opinion on a cheap (not pointing at you at all) and a more expensive engine and how they can sometimes be miles apart !
cheers danny