mulla

iTrader: (1)

i have a good mate who own a pub the brewery are taking the piss with a line built in which tells how much booze he has sold ,any one now away round this to make a bit more money in these tight times recession.

fuzzy

he cant make money with the rediculous prices pubs charge?
buy your own cans and bottles from the cash and carry and dont put them through the till.

RickyLee53

Bypass the line, remove the meter 1 night per week and put a striaght through bit of pipe in it.

mulla

iTrader: (1)

he already does that with wine,bottles,its the computer system that tells the brewery how many pints he has pulled,he has a seperate till for them.

mulla

iTrader: (1)

maybe worth a bit of money for someone wink wink.

yellowsierra

brewerys are killing there own trade

You have to buy from them at there prices and they still take Barrelage
Now they are sticking meters on the lines, its all bollox
No wonder pubs cant make a living from wet sales alone
There is still many ways to make a buck while still "towing the line" so to speak

fuzzy

i would imagine theres not a lot of margin for error and the amount of alchohol used will need to tally with the amount of cash taken on the till.

mulla

iTrader: (1)

thats right fuzzy

fuzzy

how about a unconnected second till for his own cash and carry bottles,soft drinks and crisps etc?

mulla

iTrader: (1)

hes already got that any more ideas ,maybe a free night on the piss lol.were are on the piss now just thinking of ideas.

mcst

He'll be leasing it i would imagine and will be royally raped on the cost of beer.
People like enterprise buy through wholesalers like Waverley then re invoice the leaseholder at the full wedge and collect the discount themselves!
I'm not having a go here but pubs don't make as much as people think. I feel for anyone in a tied house, i'm lucky enough to be in a freehouse and i can get some cracking deals by dealing direct with local microbreweries. Bear in mind that 15% of what we charge is VAT and then have to pay staff, heat and light the place, cool the cellar, cool the lines, clean the lines, pay for gas to dispense and then wash the glassware. We are running a business after all and the aim is to make a profit? Times are hard enough right now made worse by the government and supermarkets. Remember when the VAT was reduced? Well the government also put up the duty by 2.5% at the same time so we had to put our prices up when everything else was going down. The breweries had to pass on increases like the cost of fuel and rising costs of the ingredients.
Its a bit of an issue of mine as its a statement i hear all the time. Some pubs take the piss i admit but we've cut back in every area possible to survive and still get bitching about the prices. You pay for more than just a drink when you go to the pub. Something you will never get out of a can sat at home.

As fuzzy says buy the bottled products from a cheaper source - usually the supermarkets!!! But this all depends on how often the BDM drops in and how your mate deals with them. Buying out of tie carries a penalty as it breaches the terms of the contract.


I would suggest they have the bdm in and negotiate for a free of tie pump for guest ales, if they could at least buy one product at over half what they are paying now they could easily pocket some good profit from it. Depending on how busy they are it could be a good earner. I can shift 4 tubs a week of just our session ale (1 pump of 4 usually) and can get them as cheap as £55 a tub sometimes by dealing direct with local breweries and taking a couple at a time.

Sorry for the rant!

mcst

too slow!

mulla

iTrader: (1)

problem evrey one likes it from the pump if you know what i mean

taz1787

iTrader: (8)

theres is no way round the brew lines system i'm afraid the only way to do it is put in a extra pump (for personal use) you can get the pumps from bookers/macro etc cost between 1-200 to setup but then he can buy his own barrels in and stick on this line

rst deany

There is a way round them brew lines i no the person ho invented them then sold the company for 3 million.

Chip

iTrader: (3)

Install his own barrel and pump for one of the popular brands that he sells a lot of and put that through his cash till with the bottles and cans.

Roscco

Can flow to the meter be restricted ? As in flow 9/10ths of a pint through so for every 10 sold he'll scoop 1, or some shit like that?

Must be able to throttle it somehow. It can be done with bandwidth but not beer ??? I think not.

mcst

All depends on how he deals with his BDM, if he doesn't see him much or tells him to do one when he does then fine. If his BDM is a pain in the arse like some are they will try to fine him for buying out of tie! End of the day he is tied and under contract, by buying out of this he's breaching those terms and they are at liberty to pursue him for breaching the contract.

If you want to do it on the level, negotiate for a free of tie pump as i said earlier. My mate is a Charles Wells lessee and has this in place for ales. You buy a permanent product from them and then your other pump is from wherever you want. No reason why you can't do it with a KEG product say be tied on premium lager, Guiness, smooth etc then free of tie for standard lager.

As i see it anyone who is currently a lessee/tenant is in a very strong position for negotiation with the pubco's. Many have loads of pubs empty and are hardly in a position to be fucking their tenants around too much.

taz1787

iTrader: (8)

some pub cos have them empty and putting in management agency people as this is cheaper than negoiations also if he is found to be doing this they can end tenancy with immediat effect too

Glenn_

iTrader: (1)

there is nothing worse than watered down beer. That just gets on my tits.

rog

iTrader: (2)

Am I missing something, but surely from the meter telling them how much is sold is disconnected, when it comes to deliveries they'll be a big discrepancy? And you'll end up short as you'll have sold more than it shows up? Only way round it is install another seperate non monitiored pump and use a different supplier and use that instead, but don't they visit regularly so i imagine you'd find that pretty hard to cover up, also you've gotta remember, don't assume your being the clever one here, i'm sure they've seen this all before and have had training by their company so they don't get people doing this, so they maximise their profit.

mulla

iTrader: (1)

this wa all about just putting in another line so you can put your own keg in to make a bit more money no water going in,we were just chatting about it.the breweries take a lot of money from him in this recession as well.

Benni

A good plumber will sort something I imagine?

MikeR

Tiff lol

Mike

mcst

They are ruthless. The pubcos are just property owners and as such just want their pound of flesh. The fact we are in a recession just makes it harder still. Some lessees make as little as £15k a year against a reasonable turnover. Pubs are closing at a rate of 8 a day and i would wager good money on them mainly being leasehold. I can name at least 8 places near me that have closed in the last 6 months straight off the bat. They are all leasehold. The other pub in the village that i work in has had 3 different people in it in the last 4 years, all of them thought they can shit miracles!

Sad fact is that if you can't afford to buy a freehold or free of tie lease you will never make a lot of money in the trade. As soon as you start doing well they want more rent! My boss was a tenant and the year he left they wanted 32k rent, he made them a lot of money in the 19years he was there.

Could try the new line approach but as i've said it depends on how he deals with the rep/bdm. Also depends on breakdown too. If something broke down and they find other equipment installed they may well make him pay for that as well as fine him. Depends who they use of course. If its their own tech services or if the primary product supplier does it.

Whos he with out of curiosity??