wirralphil

I'm not suprised in the least about labs, they can be as vicious as any other dog. That is not a dog at Lab owners neither.

Also the area is rough as arsehole's around their. Shame all American Bulldogs are going to be classed as Bad dogs now, puts the sale of my sisters fella's Dogs litter right up the crapper.

I just hope this does not happen again Just a shame it will

baba

theres sum idiots on here that talk the biggest bucket of pish!!!!
ALL dogs are decendants of the wolf and all can have anger issues/bad days just sum dogs are larger and more powerfull hence cause more damage/death.
and american pitbulls were bred for fighting yes with dogs......alot of the dogs here are crossed with bullies for there size.theres alot of back street breeders who dont train/give a fuck for the dogs.......you imagine being locked up and fucked with every day its hardly a wonder they snap!
its the owners to blame and i fully agree about a licence to keep and breed all dogs!
and what do you mean when your saying about prey mode??i take it you mean as in hunt to kill?as in what dogs had to do before they became domesticated?

how many people have suicide bombers/extremists etc killed here in the uk?and the goverment hasnt banned them coming in to the country!they far and away out do dogs!if you tar them with the same brush your branded a racist.not all coloured people are terrorists just a small fucked up minority just the same as not all dogs are bad just the small minority kept by idiots!

no child should be left alone with a dog!
but ive never known a dog brought up with love and affection to snap out of the blue.

wirralphil

Can see the point in everthing you have said.

STAFFY OWNER

Firstly let me say what has happened is a terrible shame and my heart goes out to his family regardless of who is to blame as an ignorant owner shouldn't have to pay such a high price for their ignorance.
Secondly, it makes my blood boil when people automatically start slagging off Staffordshire bull terriers when something like this happens. I have been around Staffs for most of my life (i'm now 42 so i'm not a novice) and in that time i have never heard of a responsibly owned and trained SBT attacking a person. Often the so called Staffs that have attacked people are due to the shortcomings of the pieces of shit at the other end of the lead. When i bought my SBT i went to a recommended responsible breeder, went to dozens of Staff dog shows to talk to the breeders and once i was happy with my choice i waited until that breeder was breeding, i didn't just pick up the local paper and buy blindly. Also whilst at these dog shows there would often be upwards of 50 Staffs in the hall and again i never saw one harm or even snap at a person. The lady that we bought him from has now become a good friend and each year we go to Crufts to support her, at Crufts the SBT is the largest terrier group showing and often the best behaved but it all come down to the fact that this is because the dogs at the shows are owned by responsible owners and their dogs have been raised in a responsible manner.
How many people on here who have slagged off the SBT breed have any first hand experience of them - not just what you have read in the papers but an opinion that you can base on personal experience. I'm not so blinkered that i don't think a Staff has ever attacked a person because they have but can you name me a breed that hasn't?
Also why is it that other dog owners are quick to blame SBT owners when their dogs are often the original aggressors. All of these people saying how loving labradors are talking out their arses. A few years ago i was walking my dads Staff down a quiet country lane (he was on his lead) whe a woman with 3 labs came towards us and one of them turned and snapped at Jake and had his nose in its mouth, it didn't let go until i smacked it around the head and she had the nerve to tell me to control my dog, my partner who was with me at the time couldn't believe what this woman had just said. I can honestly say that i have had more problems from other dog owners than my dog has ever caused to them.
As i close this post i know that a lot of you will say that i am biased towards the breed but do a bit of research for yourselves before slagging me off and you will find that they are an excellent family pet even if you have got kids and are totally loyal as long as they no their place in the family but that comes down to responsible ownership. I never have to hit my dog, when he steps out of line my tone of voice or even a look will let him no to correct himself.
By the way if any chavs happen to read this you have chosen the wrong breed as they are useless guard dogs and are not as fearless as they are made out to be so do us all a favour and crawl back to your street corner or local shopping precinct and leave this fantastic breed alone.

I now open the flood gates to criticism and i am open to debate but please make sure that you are sure of what you are saying as any reckless bitching will just be ignored lol.

biglee

i have AN SBT as i said b4 in this thread he is the most loving dog i have ever had and ive had quite a few different breeds! so yes i agree with the above we should stand up for the breed and get rid of the irrisponsable owners end of..

RC4

i think he was being sarcastic mate,watch the video

wirralphil

DITTO, from what the papers say it was a banned Pitbull? The full breed is yet to be confirmed.

Irresponsible owners are the problem with ALL breeds of dogs.

My Auntie has a 10yo Staff he's good natured, the only reason she has him is due to my cousin not wanting to put his Baby in a situation like that as he did get a little jelous. Mind you this is just not in Staffs it can be any dog.

baba

very well put buddy!!!im sure the mass of morons on here will no doubt try to shoot you down in flames!

lloydwillard132

i agree and with neil.
i was over the park the over day when a jack russel run over to my staff cross and set on him he just stood there then another one came over and tryed having ago by this time i had kicked the 1st 1 away and the 2nd one he just growled at n it f***ed off. and then the over week a sheep dog thing came ova and run into mine and strted biting him which mine did then retaliate and but didnt draw blood like the sheep dog did to mine and several people i know have got staff crosses and pedigree staffs and there all good as gold.
any dog is a dangerous dog if not looked after and tought correctly.
i quite fed up of the genrelisation and that certain dogs have to be tattood etc.

twinkle_2k86

Rip to the little fella.

I read there seem to be a mixed view on whos to blame. Its not the dog IMO. it falls on 2 other people.

1. the owner. they haven`t brought the dog up properly from when they got him/her. all dogs no matter what breed needs alot of constant work to keep them in there place.

2- the breeder also should take blame. Most of these sort after breed are over breed, to make money. And when over bred they become defective, and there true temperment goes out the window, hence the aggressive dog.

When i was younger, we had a golden retreaver as out family dog. We went for that breed as they are spose to be good nature dogs (as we where kids) and easyer to train. Found out in the end, the dog was bred at a puppy farm, and um and dad where over bred. Our dog had the nastyest streek to him. When it came to toys and dinner time, he would turn into a dog you were so scared of. snaling, snaping etc. proper nasty. He would pin you in the corner of a room no problem.
We trained him properly, classes etc, had him castrated, and nothing carmed him down. He could never be trusted around kids, but 99% of the time he was a soppy old dog you could cuddle, play with etc.


We our looking at getting a dog in a few years time, when kids are older and can tell the dog orders etc so the dog knows his place in the family. We have found it so hard to find a good breeder, and the ones we have, have long waitings list.

mynew2

iTrader: (1)

Off course you wont read it in the papers as what do you think will see more out of the two story lines below

Labrador bites face on child
or
Pitbull savages childs face !!!!

but how much of that is because of the newspapers, and the fact stupid like Chav c**ts have them and use them for the wrong reasons.

I also don’t see how you can say all bullterriers are born to fight and be aggressive, it is completely down to the owner and how it is brought up, same for any dog, do German shepherds get born knowing how to be police dogs, and the same for sheep dogs do they know how to round up sheep no, it is all down to the owner teaching them it, if a owner teaches it dog to be aggressive then i think the owner should get punished as well.

**caz**

Well the dog in question was illegal to own in this country so says it all really.....

all dogs are capable of doing damage whether be enough to kill or not that depends on the victims age/size/defence ability etc etc etc

x

wirralphil

Have a look on champdogs.com (think thats the name) when your ne are ar to looking at getting a dog, you will pay a premium as they are all KC and proper bred dogs, waiting list are long tho.

twinkle_2k86

Been on there, and theres still puppy farms listed on there. Luckly i have found someone who know all the ins and outs of the breed we want, and knows who to trust and what dog and bitch will make the best puppys. So thankfully i will know who to go with when the times right.
But theres people who dont do there research like i have, and just go for it, and some of the time it goes wrong and you get and aggrisive over bred dog.

wirralphil

Cool, hope you find the right pup

brad

STAFFI OWNER just about said it all



but this !!!!
Can you please explain how you would be able to beat off the heavier larger dog but would have to let the smaller lighter dog maul you to death ?.


Its this sort of mentality that fucks me off . i really cant be arsed to respond to the rest of the idiotic posts on this thread .

wirralphil

Brad labs are loving pets, all nice as spice. Piss one off or they don't like you and your gonna get snapped. The latter part is always forgotten.

Such a shame Staff's, Bulldogs, Dobermans, Rotties etc are classed as bad. It's all down to Inbred dogs and training.

stishy

absolutley shocking.. poor little kidd

OldDan

You talk shit. Why can't a lab raised wrong kill? They're bigger than fucking pit bulls!

**caz**

bigger maybe, but stronger.....doubt it!

x

OldDan

This sums them up - If they're brought up well they are proper loving dogs.

OldDan

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=46922

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Art...llDogsBite.htm

two interesting links.

OldDan

Boot my staff and it' run. It's gets mauled by my less than two year old puppy mongrel every night an just sits there and gives in.

Soft as shit.

My 88 year old Grandfather fell down the stairs last year while everyone was out. He broke his hip / bust his nose / eye and waited at the bottom of the stairs until someone came home. He was covered in blood, the floor was covered in blood everything. The staffie just sat there next to him and wouldn't move until someone came home with the occassional lick. If that isn't a proper family dog (which is highly insulting saying staffs arn't Proper family dogs) then I don't know what is.

wirralphil

A Lab would off called 999 and spoke like Lassie.

Hope your Grandfather was ok.

OldDan

Not missing a single thing. It is ALL down to the owners regardless of what dog it is.

But you carry on with your attitude that labs are this and that and good family dogs and you might get caught out.

gary fraser

totally agree with gaz s1 i got 3 kids all under 6 and a staffi and i personally would not have any other breed of dog other than a staffi, in the past i have had jack russells and to be honest they are more likely to attack someone than a staffi.

RIP young lad

**caz**

lmfao the worst a jack russell will do is climb ya legs like a ladder

x

wirralphil

Only thing my old jack russel attacked was my other dog's hairy chin when they played.

No dog is perfect just a shame this has happened and yet people still believe staffs are so deadly dogs.

I still believe all dogs can snap and always keep that in mind people

kniterider

john your ripping your point apart the more you post mate.

ANY dog can be aggressive and kill be it a staffi or a lab/golden retriever.

all breeds of dog can stand their ground and fight

and ALL breed of dog can turn and flee.

its how the dog is brought up that determins its mindset.

if you arent dominant with the dog, let it growl at you, teach it to be aggressive it will stand there and fight you.

if you teacha dog humans are in charge, you dont exploit the dog and bring the ANIMALS worst charactaristics out then it will most likely run.

just because its a staffie, a lab, an andrex toilet brush (i mean dog) it makes no difference. if a dog isnt scared or wants to fight you it will it doesnt matter on its breed.

all animals will revert back to their instincts (even humans) if they are allowed to.

i could teach a golden retriever to savage you if i had one from a pup.

get with it people

kniterider

errr yes you can, a dog will only turn to kill you if it needs to, or has been trained to/encouraged to. ANY dog will.

ALL dogs are predators. thats why their eyes are ont he front of their heads.

the reason pit bulls and staffies etc are used as they were originally bread for fighting with regards to their attirbutes (being low to ground, muscualar, locking jaw etc) just because there body suits it doesnt mean thats all they do. all dogs have sharp teeth! all dogs are potentially killing machines, it just so happens the scum of society pickt hese dogs as they have the best build for fighting and still carry the title of a fighting dog. BUT they still need to be brought up to BE a fighting dog.

get it yet?

mynew2

iTrader: (1)

yes they where breed for fighting but not other dogs, the original Staffordshire Bull Terriers would bite the bulls nose and hold on until the bull dropped, dogs that let go of the bulls nose were not considered 'pure-bred' and either put down, but definitely not bred again.

And the part on the whole 'lock jaw' thing is a total and utter myth. No dog has lock jaw. The myth started because the Pitbull breeds were known to have incredible drive and once they attached they simply refused to let go but it was sheer force of will - not a locking jaw

longdog

iTrader: (1)

Take it youve not bin on the wrong end of one then. Still got scars on my leg.

OldDan

If my Staff holds onto something that I want him to let go of I just pick up him and take him to the sink. Soon drops it as he hates water

Bullett

iTrader: (2)

kc registered doesnt mean its a good dog.they are all paly paly and swap docs around.mine arent kc.but are from, a respected breeder in kings lynn.

a dog for for weakness, if its been brought up to be aggressive or beaten etc it will be aggressive.any dog!!

ive never hit mine at all but the minute they put a foot out of line they get put down by the scruff,just like the mum does! its what they understand. they chill pretty much straight away

Bullett

iTrader: (2)

they are bred to kill.you may have been a tad too big though

kniterider

learn something new everyday.

what was the idea behind the bulls then? were they there to fight bulls or was it used as a farmers tool?