Behind at home to Birmingham at the mo. Match isnt over yet, but, if its another loss is Benitez safe?

 

come on Birmingham

 

Come on the brum

 

ref

 

Bad day at the office for the scousers again

I think you can safely say the FA cup is their only real chance of a trophey this season.

 

tut, 2 a piece with Birmingham! Not good!

 

you never looked like you was going to score really just passing side too side then backwards

 

time for him to go surely? money and time hes had

 

you know its bad when a half fit gerrard looks better then 90% of the liverpool team

Time for rafa to walk on out of here

 

Great result.

Interesting to see how long the lfc fans continue to consider themselves a good team though. They never face up to reality, most deluded fans in the prem, no doubt.

I dont think rafa will walk, he will wait to be sacked so he can get his payout. Unless they come to some kind of mutual agreement.

 

Leave Rafa alone, he's doin a great job of f@*king the scum up

 

your comments



cheers james

 

Do you only watch Golf? As if you knew about football you'd know it was fergie that managed the scum!

Cold, you do talk shit. Course they're a good team. They are just not as good as they were and not as good overall as the top few. Doesnt make em shit does it?

 

^^^yes lol!i am surprised its liverpool who are struggling tho thought it would be arsenal this year

 

[QUOTE=Lee Reynolds;4507720]Do you only watch Golf? As if you knew about football you'd know it was fergie that managed the scum!

Well your entitled to your own opinion, but its wrong. You may also say that you come from the best/correct side of the pennines, but your wrong lol

 

Players win you games, its teams that actually win you trophies.

Exactly the reason why Liverpool will continue to win fuck all every year until they put together a TEAM.

 

[QUOTE=pcressie;4507783]LMAO

 

We know this. Its not like fans are blind. Benitez does not have the money and open cheque book like the other teams.

 

rafa wont get sacked, its gonna cost the yanks £20 million + to get shot of him and his staff.

best chance they have is for the fans to wise up and give him some stick, he might walk but with the sort of money on offer if they sack him i doubt he will walk.

problem for liverpool is the yanks are skint, and if they dont sort it out champions league qualification might be too much for them and if so.... they're fucked!! apart from torres and gerrard, theres prob only a couple of players they got who will get serious money in the market and then theres replacing them. i can see liverpool being the first of the "big 4" to do a leeds and with the amount of debt the clubs are in now they surely cannot survive no matter how big they are

 

sadly ive spoke about that also!

 

Fuck all , you're gonna win fuck all (and repeat)

 

But just look at the shit he's bought with the money he's actually had.

Worst mistake ever was letting alonso go and trying to replace him with the biggest crock of shite ive seen in a liverpool shirt in ages LUCAS

 

urm i think you will find arsenal make a profit pretty sure man u do as well

 

I agree, and Crouch. Never understand it! But i dont go as 'deep' as some so i dont know the ins and outs!

 

being a leeds fan i wouldnt want that to happen to any teams supporters, to be at the point that when you wake up tomorrow the football that youve supported for years on end is no more. i know now that i wouldnt be interested in football anymore if leeds did fold 3 seasons ago.

thats true but there is a lot of debt on both of these clubs, it will only take one bad season for it to go tits up sadly

 

Mi dad is 64 and supported Leeds since he was a lad! Dont want pool to go the same way as that hell no! Sadly, its easy for clubs with the money thats involved now. Money has ruined the game as said a millions times!

 

thing is lee im kinda glad it happened, and i wouldnt change the last few years for nothing. yeah ive had to endure countless amounts of piss taking the last 5 years and being the harlem globetrotters of lower league english football is getting a bit boring now but we have a club that is run properly now (even tho he's chelscum) we have no debt and were going in the right direction and hopefully we'll learn from our mistakes when we make it back to the premiership.

 

always makes me laugh that if a team goes tits up they get points taken off them!thats really helps them out

 

Deffo positives to come from it mate.

 

it did help us tho, we had a 4 week blip that season and it cost us getting 2nd place and then we lost to doncaster rovers in the play off final

but its the way of the world now, especially with that mawhinney cunt running the football league. he's the sort of cunt who shouldnt be running anything. sadly just out to get his name in the papers. he did exactly the same to luton last year but because we did well with a -15 he gave luton -30

 

just takes time. hopefully though liverpool can sort themselves out. like us theres a loyalness about the fans and the fans should never suffer for what the board does.

 

A liverpool fan who agrees with me, according to martin (bud-weis), lucas isnt bad and ran the midfeild against lyon

He ran around the midfeild against lyon, didnt run 'it'.

 

I'd like to see lucas's passport to see if he really is brazilian

 

The Liverpool team is full of half cocked almost players, and some fucking jokes that would be lucky to get a game for most 1st division clubs... And the money wasted is shocking

Lucas?
Riera?
Voronin is fucking awful, what the hell is he doing in a red shirt?
Ngog?


Add to that the players Liverpool have let go, Alonso, Keane etc then you can see why we are in trouble. We have a decent starting 11, but only if EVERY player is fit, and no real replacements..

We need 2 more quality strikers, 2 strong midfielders and maybe another Defender, to even stand a chance of making a title bid properly

 

Only Chelsea and City have an 'open cheque book' with also Blackburn in the past. They used this to get the club to places they probably shouldn't be as smaller clubs but Arsenal and United have built it up over years, you should have done the same especially when you had that big period of dominance. Anfield was extended in '98 wasn't it but look at United they're always looking to grow stadium or otherwise.

You lot can't expect to get more cash than everyone and can't demand the title just because you have 18 titles. That's the past, Newcastle expected things based on their perceptions of the club and look what happened to them. First you want to be winning things consistently even if smaller trophies with good league finishes as well, then you can go from there.

Lee, you make Rafa sound like he's manager of Hull or Burnley. You always hear about Rooney, Veron or Rio but this guy has Torres at £20-26m, Mascherano £17m, Aqualani £21m, Kuyt £10m, Dosena £7m, Babbel £11.5m, Rierra £11m, Keane £20m, Pennant £7m, Johnson £18m, Alonso £11m. These are not exactly cheap players here of lower teams and he's spent more than both Fergie and Wenger this season, maybe even Ancelotti? Yet he's in 7th place and doing poor in other comps. Spurs seem to spend loads on players but they aren't exactly sweeping up are they.

You will win the Premiership eventually, but when is the big Q.

 

Which is exactally what ive been saying in other threads, if everyone is fully fit, were a decent first 11, but we get injurys to a few key players, and we got serious problems, were distinictly average, the squad is no where near good enough, and for me rafa is the reason, he has had enough time and money to build a good squad of players, not a decent first choice 11.

we have 5 or 6 quality players, reina, agger, johnson, masher, stevie, aquilani possibly, and nando. carragher is past it, insua is inexpirianced, reira is far from a winger, kuyt works his socks off, but is no winger either, thats the first 11.

lucas is awfull, voronin awfull, skrtel is hit and miss, babel has no confidence, spearing inexpirianced, ngog inexpirianced, aurelio not good enough, dossena not good enough, degan not good enough, etc etc etc.

we need a new manager, a good few players, and to restart/rebuild, but the problem being, the owners have no money to do it, and which manager would want to work for the owners, i know i wouldnt.

thats one thing i will give rafa, in 2009 he has made more money from selling players, than he has been given to spend on new players, thats only been this year, in previous years he has spent more than he has made, but in 2009, as i said, he hasnt, and that will not help you compete with the chelsea's and united's.

 

You'd rather keep a player that didn't want to be there? Not right imo. Yes if he stayed it would've been great but not always right.

Agreed on Lucas i think he's fucking horseshit.

Anyone read the pool website? Check out Paul Tonkins article yesterday. ALWAYS makes good reading and is factual!

 

I think rafa needs to go take out torres and gerrard and he has no clue if ngog hadn't blatently cheated last night they would never have got a point,i wonder if he will be slaughtered in the media like others have been?I think they need a new manager it seems like he's lost the dressing room if he has its game over unfortunately.......

 

Here you go lads heres the complete players signed under rafas reign and again for all the pricks goin on about how much hes spent because you read it in the S*n look at the net spend over the last 2 years ?? Also alonso handed in a transfer request and wanted a new challenge after 5 years service at the club also Crouch wanted to leave also as he wanted to play week in wwek out .Here's the full list of players he's signed since he's been at the club (please read the summary below):

2004/05

£2m - Josemi: peanuts and was moved on in a swap for Kromkamp 18 months later
£1.5m - Antonio Nunez: part of the Michael Owen deal and filled a gap for a while. Peanuts.
£10.7m - Xabi Alonso: Massive success and sold for £30m+ in the summer when he wanted to leave
£6m - Luis Garcia: Massive success and sold to Athletico Madrid for £4m
Free - Pelligrino: Stop gap that allowed us to rest Sami for league games, benefitting us massively in Istanbul. Now on the coaching staff.
£6.3m - Fernando Morientes: Pretty much everyone made up when we signed him, top class, but never settled. Sold for £3m to Valencia.
£1m - Scott Carson: One the most highly rated young keepers around. Lost out through injury and signing of Reina when Dudek left the club. Sold for £3.25m.

Total bought: £27.5m

Free - Marcus Babbel: Released to Stuttgart at the end of his career.
£2.5m - Danny Murphy: Xabi Alonso signed to fill the role Murphy had in the side
£8.5m - Michael Owen: Wouldn't sign a new contract and sold before he left on a free. He's done nothing since that is a masterstroke with hindsight.
Free - Stephane Henchoz: Released to Celtic at the end of his career

Total sold: £11m

A total of £16.5m net spend in his first year at the club, with the vast majority of that being spent on Xabi Alonso.

2004/05 net spend: £16.5m

2005/06

£240,000 - Antonio Barragan: Kid for the future. Sold for £675,000 to Deportivo a year later.
Free - Boudewijn Zenden: Signed for nothing and released for nothing. Did a job for us.
£6m - Pepe Reina: In the top 3 or 4 keepers in the world now and still young. One of Rafa's best signings.
£5.6m - Momo Sissoko: Brilliant for a few years, had that eye injury and sold to Juventus when his form dipped for £8.2m. Replaced by Mascherano.
£7m - Peter Crouch: One signing I did question but proved to be a great bit of business. Turned him from a laughing stock into an international. Sold for £11m.
Unkown - Miki Roque: Kid bought for peanuts. Sold again for an unknown amount.
£150,000 - Jack Hobbs: Highly rated 16yr old signed from Lincoln. Didn't progress as hoped and sold to Leicester for a reported £1.5m, although figure not confirmed.
£190,000 Besian Idrizaj: No idea who he is
£1.5m - Mark Gonzales: Cheap player to provide back up for the left wing. Sold for £3.5m to Real Betis.
Exchange - Paul Anderson: Swapped for John Welsh. Sold for £250,000.
Exchange - Jan Kromkamp: Swapped for Josemi. Later sold for £1.75m
£5.8m - Daniel Agger: Blighted by injuries but potentially top class and great signing for the money.
£250,000 - David Martin: Young reserve keeper
Free - Robbie Fowler: Pay as you play deal and no risk involved. Scored a few goals. Released in the summer.

Total bought: £26.73

Free - Vladimir Smicer: Out of contract and released. Played a small part in Istanbul.
£3.5m - El Hadji Diouf: The best £3.5m Rafa has ever recieved.
Free - Pellegrino: Filled the gap in the last 5 months of the previous season, not good enough and released.
£2m - Alou Diarra: Sold for £2m. One of Houllier's buys.
£2m - Antonio Nunez: Bought for £1.5m and now sold for £2m when didn't work out.
£6.5m - Milan Baros: A Houllier signing sold at a profit. He's done nothing since.
Exchange - John Welsh: Swapped for Paul Anderson
Exchange - Josemi: Swapped for Kronkamp.

Total sold: £14m

2005/06 net spend: £12.73m

2006/07

£6m - Craig Bellamy: Good signing and later sold for £7.5m to fund Torres deal.
£2m - Gabriel Palletta: Played a few league cup games, not good enough and sold for £1.2m
Free - Fabio Aurelio: Very injury prone but a good player when fit. Great signing for nothing.
£6.7m - Jermaine Pennant: Second choice after missing out on Alves. Ran his contract down and released. Attitude stank.
£9m - Dirk Kuyt: Has his critics, but has been brilliant for the money. 15 goals last season from wide and vital to the way we play. Ultimate pro. Great signing.
£200,000 - Nabil El Zhar: Few cameos last season and improving. Injured now. Promising still. Peanuts.
£750,000 - Astrit Ajdarevic: No idea who he is, and released on a free to Leicester.
Loan - Daniele Padelli: Reserve keeper, made one appearance and never seen again.
Undisclosed - Jordy Brouwer: Young reserve.
£2.5m - Alvaro Arbeloa: Bargain signing, great service for a few years and sold for £3.5m when running his contract down.
Loan - Javier Mascherano: Rescued from West Ham, now one of the best defensive midfielders in the world and will probably be sold to Barca this summer for a massive profit. Paid £18.6m for him a year later at end of loan deal.

Total bought: £27.15m

£200,000 - Zak Whitbread: Youngster
Undisclosed - Bruno Cheyrou: Houllier flopped, sold for a reported £1.5m.
£3m - Fernando Morientes: Didn't work out. Cut his losses.
Free - Didi Hamann: Great servant, released at the end of his career
£675,000 - Antonio Barragan: Paid £240,000 for him.
£2m - Djimi Traore: Houllier signing and daylight robbery getting £2m for him
£500,000 - Neil Mellor: Signed as a kid and did a job for a while. Not good enough and released.
£1.75m - Jan Kromkamp: Nunez bought for £2m, swapped for him, who then sold for £1.75m. Stop gaps at minimal expense.
£525,000 - Darren Potter: Acadamy lad, not good enough and robbery getting that much for him.
£1.5m - Steven Warnock: Probably sold to cheap and looks a mistake with hindsight. Good squad player.
Free - Salif Diao: The clearout of Houllier's flops continues.

Total sold: £10.15m

2006/07 net spend: £17m

2007/08


£5m - Lucas Leiva: Brazilian player of the year when signed. Could still go either way but a lot to prove.
Undisclosed - Krisztian Nemeth: Promising youngster currently out on loan in Athens.
£270,000 - Mikel San Jose Dominguez: Youngester plays in the reserves.
£1.8m - Sebastian Leto: Left winger signing but refused a work permit. Sold for £3m.
£20.2m - Fernando Torres: Bargain of the century
Free - Andriy Voronin: Free transfer to strengthen the squad. Plays well in Germany, garbage over here.
£5m - Yossi Benayoun: Took a while to settle but now a key player. Superb signing and an absolute bargain.
£11.5m - Ryan Babel: Highly rated dutch international. Absolute waste of space. Bad signing on reflection, but nobody knew how he'd turn out. Still got potential but he can't be arsed.
Undisclosed - Charles Itandje: Back up keeper signed for peanuts. Now released.
£1.3m - Emiliano Insua: Youngster who is now a full Argentinian international and massive potential. Bargain.
£6.5m - Martin Skrtel: Been off form this season so far, but brilliant last year and a good signing for the money.
£18.6m - Javier Mascherano: Completion of loan deal

Total bought: £70.7m

£2.7m – Florent Simana-Pongolle: Houllier youngster sold wanting first team football.
£100,000 – Daniel O’Donnell: Kid sold
Free – Jerzy Dudek: Released at end of contract
Free - Zenden: Released at end of contract
Free – Robbie Fowler: Released at end of contract
£4m – Luis Garcia: Wanted to return to Spain. Great service.
£6m – Djibril Cisse: Houllier signing sold to part fund Torres deal.
£7.5m – Craig Bellamy: Sold at profit to part fund Torres deal
£3.5m – Mark Gonzales: Signed for £1.5m and sold when didn’t work out.
£1.2m – Gabriel Palletta: Bought for £2m but never worked out. Young defender.
£3.5m – Chris Kirkland: Houllier signing. Injury prone and wanted first team football.
£8.2m – Momo Sissoko: Great signing, good service, sold when lost his form at a profit.

Total sold: £36.7m

2007/08 net spend: £34m

2008/09

Free – Philip Degen: Garbage, but free.
£7m - Andrea Dossena: Italian international left back. Hasn’t settled. Bad signing.
£3.5m – Diego Cavalieri: Reserve keeper. Only played league cup games so far.
£1.5m – David N’gog: Young French striker. Promising.
£19m – Robbie Keane: Everyone made up when we signed him. Didn’t work out and sold back to Spurs for £16m.
£8m - Albert Riera: Spanish international. Started well but jury still out.

Total bought: £39m

£4m – John Arne Riise: Good servant but form tailed off. Snapped their hands off at £4m.
Free – Harry Kewell: Harry who?
Undisclosed – Anthony Le Tallec: Houllier youngster finally released. Fee not known.
£11m – Peter Crouch: Laughing stock bought for £7m. Great signing. Wanted first team football.
£2.25m – Danny Guthrie: Youngster from Acadamy thought not good enough.
£3.25m – Scott Carson: Injury prone and Reina now first choice. Sold at profit.
Undisclosed – Steve Finnan: Sold for a fee believed to be £1m
£16m – Robbie Keane: Didn’t work out.
Undisclosed – Jack Hobbs: Young defender that didn’t progress. Sold for believed to £1.5m.

Total sold: £36.5m

2008/09 net spend: £2.5m


2009/10

£17.5m – Glen Johnson: Big fee, but has been brilliant so far.
£17.1m - Alberto Aquilani: Injured so far but meant to be a class act. Highly rated in Italy.
£2m – Sotirios Kyrgiakos: Last minute signing to fill Hyypia’s shoes. Only money we had to spend.
£160,000 – Daniel Ayala: Young defender, played a few times this season and looked promising.

Total bought: £36.76m

£250,000 – Paul Anderson: Youngster that didn’t progess.
Free – Jermaine Pennant: Out of contract. Poor signing.
Free – Miki Roque: No idea who he is. Bought for peanuts.
£3m – Sebastian Leto: Signed for £1.8m but didn’t get a work permit. Had to sell.
£3.5m – Alvaro Arbeloa: Wanted to leave and out of contract in the summer.
£30m – Xabi Alonso: Wanted to leave. Bought for £10.7m. Great signing.

Total sold: £36.75m

2009/10 net spend: £10,000


Total Players Bought: £228,976,000
Total Players Sold: £145,100,000

Total Net Spend: £83,876,000


So, that’s a total spend of just over £83m in 5 years at the club. An average of £16.6m a year.

The vast majority of his signings have been sold at profit, or if still at the club, are worth a lot more than we paid for them. Exceptions being Babel and Dossena, but we’ll still get decent fees for them when sold as they’re full internationals.

A lot of the signings above have been stepping stones in rebuilding the squad, gradually improving it by replacing players with better ones. Our league positions over the past 5 years and the improvement in our league positions and points totals show the progression.

2004/05: Finished 5th – 58 pts
2005/06: Finished 3rd – 82 pts
2006/07: Finished 3rd – 68 pts
2007/08: Finished 4th – 76 pts
2008/09: Finished 2nd – 86 pts

Is it any coincidence that the progression seems to have stopped this summer? Look at the transfer activity above for this year and it might explain why.

Look at our net spend over the past 2 years!

We have a wage bill that is the 5th highest in the league. We can’t afford to pay players £70,000 to be sat on the bench like United and Chelsea can.

Rafa Benitez’ record with signings at the top end of the market is nothing short of brilliant. Robbie Keane being the only flop, but he was sold 6 months later and only a small financial hit taken on that mistake. Rick Parry agreed the fee for buying him in the first place, and common knowledge Rafa wasn’t happy with it; feeling it was far too high.

Where has this myth come from that he’s wasted money on shite players? Have a look through the lists above and try to point them out. There isn’t many.

The ones that haven’t worked out he’s moved on, and not very often has he made a financial loss on them.

The squad is now worth a hell of a lot more than the one he inherited, and that £83m net spend over 5 years is easily offset by the increased value of the squad. He’d recoup nearly all of that through the sale of Torres alone!

He’s worked absolute wonders with the money he’s had to spend. Then take into account the massive amounts of money he’s self generated by reaching the latter stages of the CL every season. Two final appearances, one win. That £83m he’s spent he’s earned the right to spend.

And when comparing it to what United have spent in the same period is flawed, as they already had a title winning squad and all the foundations in place. They weren’t rebuilding from scratch like we were. It also doesn’t take into account their massive wage bill.

When comparing to Chelsea, they spent all their money before Rafa came to the club and just topping up an already established squad.

Man City have spent more than double in the past 12 months than Rafa Benitez has in his 5 year reign.

Do some people still want to get rid of him? If so, you’ve been listening to Andy Gray and Richard Keys for too much and unable to look at the facts yourself to form an opinion.

Every manager makes tactical mistakes. Every manager makes mistakes in the transfer market. Despite what the press seem to think; Rafael Benitez appears to make less mistakes than most.

We’re expected to win the league and European Cup on a budget and wage bill that is entitled to finish 4th or 5th in the league. We’ve been overachieving under Rafael Benitez, not underachieving.

I’m not even going to mention the environment he’s working in under them two clowns.

You’ll only miss him when he’s gone….

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It's on the pitch where it counts, and the whole of Liverpool rests on Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres's shoulders. If they get injured the team falls to pieces. Maybe there is too much pressure put on the shoulders of those that step in to fill the gap and they just play god awful. If there wasn't a brilliant swan dive last night that warranted "The Snowman" in the background then you would of lost. Rafa needs to clear the deadwood out of the team and bring in quality players that will step up to the mark. The win against Man Utd is becoming a fading memory and you could well be the best team in the Europa League soon.