Punkie

No. Its both peoples responsibility to make sure they are taking the right precautions.

Punkie

who said they aren't using anything? Radleigh (sorry to pick on you sunshine) certainly said he personally isn't but his partners are.

Wheres the problem there? If both parties are happy with their contraception choices, they also then have the right to chose an abortion should something unexpected occur

Punkie

Even in cases of Rape, severe disabilities and health complications?

Ciderwoman

well i think its very much each to their own. all options have to be explored. I have always said the only reason i would have an abortion if the pregnancy was causing life threatening situations to either me or the baby.
As long as all options have been concidered. There are alot couple out there who cant have children. I have recently found out that in the future it would be hard 4 me to carry a baby to term and adoption would more than likely have to be a option if i do want more children. I do have a beautiful little girl and she was'nt planned and me and her dad are no longer 2gether but i would not change her for the world.
All im saying is, if you dont think you can have the child your self and unsure about abortion then consider other things.

Punkie

And what about the damage to the mothers mental health should she carry a baby to term that she doesnt want?

The changes in her body and hormones that she doesnt want?

Each person should have a right to chose if they become a parent or not (if they fall pregnant)

Ciderwoman

i know im not saying that people dont have a choice, all i was saying is that if they feel like they dont want the baby and they feel they can cope with going through with the pregnancy and give it up for adoption then alot of people out there would be extremly grateful. but i would NEVER EVER force someone to go through a pregancy that they did not want to. i just think some times the whole abortion action is trown in 2 easy. its not an easy choice to make and they have to be 100% sure its wat they want to do. i have a very good friend of mine who had an abortion 4 years ago because she was not ready to have a child she thinks about it everyday as to if she made the right choice.

XRdodgybird

I haven't read all this thread and don't intend to.

Firstly, can I just say, that with the best efforts in the world...... WOMEN CAN STILL GET PREGNANT WHILST TAKING CONTRACEPTION! NOTHING WE EITHER DO TO OURSELVES OR TAKE OR HAVE FITTED CAN BE 100% SAFE 100% OF THE TIME!

I have known several people who have become pregnant whilst having the Merena Coil fitted (hailed to be the champaign of all coils). The pill doesn't always work effectively.... condoms can split. In young women, sterilisation can sometimes reverse itself, as can the snip operation in men.

My views on abortion are as follows..... no one, whether they either don't want any children at all, or don't wish to have any more children, should be free to choose whether they go ahead with a pregnancy or not. In many cases, you can choose to have an abortion and in the end not go through with it, and I am sure that some women go through abortion and regret it. But at the end of the day it is YOUR choice and NO ONE should judge you for it.

As was said in one of the first replies to this thread, no child should be brought into this world if it is not wanted. In no way should any man force it upon a woman to have a child or vice versa, its just not fair all round.

Alan_D

Yes, that's ok. It's human nature to mess up sometimes, just the same as that one time you can't control your temper when someone keeps pushing you. That would be a mistake... putting yourself in a situation where you could be given a custodial sentence.

People make mistakes. I'm sure even you, Passionford's new official monk can understand that. When the shit hits the fan you need to deal with it: abortion is a means to do just that.

Punkie

Depends on the circumstances of the two people who created a pregnancy in the first place.

You cant ever give a generic answer. Each case should be decided by the people involved dependent on their situation and feelings.

JxBabe

So if, in the heat of the moment a couple didn't use anything and the woman wound up getting pregnant, she should go through with having the baby no matter how much of a shit life it might have, JUST because they weren't sensible, in the heat of the moment? As what, punishment for being careless?

OBVIOUSLY abortion shouldn't be used as a means of contraceptive, NO ONE is disputing that! But the thing that needs to be thought about is what is best for the baby once it's born, the decision on whether or not to have it or not should be based on this, and not based on how it was conceived

Ciderwoman

its tricky as a pregnancy from a "heat of the moment situation" is not going to be planned and more than likely not wanted and that is not the situation to bring a child in to. like iv said b4 people have to consider all options.
People should learn some self control and think a head. i personaly have been on the pill since i was sexually active (no im not a slag) its abit of piece of mind for me, i also carry a condom in my bag, little simple things like this can help if "heat of the moment situations" should arise.

Punkie

Theres no talking to some people

NOONE BUT NOONE is saying "oh yeah, I dont bother with anything I just get an abortion when it happens"

Opinions are like arseholes...everyone has them but sometimes people cant smell the bullshit thats coming out...

my view entirely

JxBabe

Yeah you're right, you should wait until it actually develops into a baby, THEN destroy it's life by bringing it into a world where it won't be looked after properly.

JxBabe

No, what you're saying is that if somebody gets pregnant through carelessness then they shouldn't have an abortion!

Austin101

If you play with fire you will get burned and yes there is a choice, use contraceptives there's your choice.They do work. Unless its a circumstance where the choice is compromised like when rape has occurred.

Punkie

So if this "sensible woman" took all their precautions and still got pregnant. S1 John: ruler of all things baby, would have her carry the child to term whether she wanted to or not.

Sensible that.

Not a dig at you Joy

Punkie

How many times? the only thing thats 100% effective is not having sex.

I take it thats your contraception of choice then?

Ciderwoman

i dont think ne1 is saying that! people need to think about each situation they are in. abortion should never be the quick easy way out! if you dont think it through u can live to regret it.

JxBabe

Yeah I can see it now, at the abortion clinic:

Nurse: So how did you get pregnant, did you take any precautions?
Girl: Yes but they didn't work.
Nurse: Okay go ahead!

OR

Girl: No I didn't take any precautions, it was the heat of the moment...
Nurse: Oh well that's very careless, I won't allow you an abortion. You might be a shit mother and your child may not have any type of a life, but you'll learn your lesson!

JxBabe

Oh my GOD I remember why I don't post here, this is retarded!

I have said, NUMEROUS times that of course you should take precautions, that is not the issue here! It's fucking obvious that you should use something, I have never once disputed that so don't patronise me!

Punkie

One of your posts on this thread says

I think you need further SexEd TBH. and you also posted

so what is your actual view on this or dont you really know anymore?

Austin101

Do you need some sex education?15 years with my wife, 3 children planned, no "mistakes".

Punkie

Then you fall into the statistics where contraception has worked.

Well done you.

Edit to say: The "How many times" was about how many times to people have to told nothing is 100% effective.

Not how many times you've done the deed. I dont need to be thinking about that

JxBabe

Didn't you know Punkie, all people are EXACTLY the same when it comes to contraception, all types work 100% for everyone. Only idiots could get pregnant whilst using contraception, it's definitely foolproof.

Alan_D

You're clearly not as hard as you would lead us to believe if you're getting this upset about abortions.

Yes, it's a mistake: you know, making the wrong decision in the 'heat of the moment', to coin a 'John' phrase.

I'd also like to point out something you seem to have been overlooking in your wise rants.

Yes, I wonder why? Teen pregnancies are rife in poverty striken areas. Much of this is a result of upbringing, instilling a laid-back attitude towards issues which might be considered more serious among teens with a higher level of education. So where do the parents who are bringing up these children come from? Usually a family that hasn't felt the need for abortion, or possibly hasn't had access to it, resulting in a poor quality of upringing due to the 'unwanted' nature of their conception and the struggle of financial hardship.

It's a vicious circle which will never end, all thanks to your 'limited' understanding of abortion.

Alan_D

p.s you're also responsible for knife crime.

Punkie

Someone better inform all the medical research bodies to get them to update their data then!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...arious_methods

I feel better knowing I have an Implanon implant.

JxBabe

Lost cause, I give up.

Punkie

No, you said abortion is wrong "period"

And as for your grasp of basic math...in what school did they teach you that 99% is "absolute certainty"

Austin101

I do see your point. This thread is going hit a raw nerve with most people. I'll give it a count on "how many times" and i'll get back to yea