Chip

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I have read your post and im not blinkered, it reads like you think that an S2000 engine is run of the mill, but a pinto isnt.

Rick

I read it the same Chip...

jammerrs

i wouldnt fancy paying out for one lol

just think that they look well in them

jammerrs

actually - wasnt there a man on here who struggled to get standard turbo power from his on carbs

MikeR

Chip how much for the manifold?

Mike

dug112y

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FOR SURE AN ST170 ENGINE WITH CARBS(45'S AND STORM MANAGEMENT incs loom UNDER £1000 all in ) THEN UPGRADE WITH CAMS/VERNIERS LATER ON ......OR THROTTLE BODIES .DEPENDS ON BUDGET I SUPPOSE... WIDE CHOICES OF GEARBOXES TOO PLUS ITS STILL FORD AND IF IT BLOWS UP YOU GET ANOTHER FOR 500 QUID

http://www.specialist-components.co....lated_products

Chip

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I think its sold now mate, just had a text about it off a mate of mine, if he doesnt have it though I'll let you know, but I still think its a rubbish idea and you should just put it on standard intake to begin with on aftermarket, then swap to TB's or a turbo later on

Chip

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Done that way, once its on ITB's and verniers etc it will be less power than an S2000 lump, less reliable, and have cost him more money

orionmojo

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Maybe i'm not putting my point across at all I mention (in a round about way) that i like to see a period engine in a car and you post this.

I said nothing of the pinto being anything special, plus that wasn't my original point. Just you took me to be slating the Honda engine for simply being Honda and started quoting spec lists as you assumed i had Ford blinkers on.

The Honda engine is run of the mill, regardless of spec. They're mass produced and from what you've said readily available. This in my opinion makes it so.

Chip

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There are a LOT less S2000 engines out there than pintos mate!

orionmojo

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Fair enough.


Maybe we hit a language barrier or something, This went completely out of hand from what i first meant.

Chip

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anyway, back on topic.....


Zetec certainly seems like the clear winner just in terms of slotting in so easily and being so readily available.

you can always build it first the decide on induction and management/carbs etc after mike

MikeR

Think thats what l may well do, so cost wise what £150 for the engine? then how much for a gearbox?

Cheers

jammerrs

you can get a mondeo with everything youll need for 300 mate, much better to do it that way and have everything that yo uneed on the car

orionmojo

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Depends On what you want.

Type 9, MT75 or T5 all fit.

Chip

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Most old skool fords have a type 9 in them anyway.

PM "garage19" on here about a decent flywheel to fit the zetec up to one, he helped design the one TTV sell through demon tweaks etc IIRC.


You could even:
buy a mondeo,
pull the engine out
rebuild the engine
put engine back in
drive it

See if its worked or not!

Then you can find yourself a car and get that prepped and ready for your engine


would only realistically take 1 day extra to put it back in and out again after all, and its all good practice spannering if you are trying to learn, so doesnt matter its a "waste of effort" to do.

dug112y

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i did say it depends on budget.....i think the costs for initial install for s2000 could be quite high(gearbox,exhaust etc maybe flywheel/clutch too depending on how he does it. i love zetecs but st 170 has better head ,forged pistons,steel rods..(only oil pump lets it down)

st engine inc exh manifold 500
carbs 500
storm ecu n loom 250
inlet manifold,pump linkage and anc etc 250
total £1500


s2000 engine 2k
exhaust manifold for FWD £ 350 (if FWD)
gearbox/flywheel/clutch £ lots more money
maybe some specialist wiring,mounts etc £even more money

I KNOW WHAT I WOULD BE DOING BUT AM A FORD GUY

dug112y

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chip, what do the s2000's do power wise on throttle bodies etc??

Chip

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FPMSL @ how wrong you have that

He wants it RWD not FWD

So its more like:
st engine inc 500
carbs 500
storm ecu n loom 250
inlet manifold,pump linkage and anc etc 250
rwd exhaust manifold : 300
flywheel and clutch : 300
total £2100

And thats for less than 200bhp



And TBH there is still loads of stuff there that you need to buy as well in either case, even simple stuff like decent water pipes etc.



Realistically though, with all these types of projects, its VERY hard to accurately budget up front, as you dont know you need something till you havent got it at lot of the time.

Chip

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Very little difference to the 240bhp they are standard if its literally just a set of bodies and map it, the standard inlet is good anyway.

Might see 260bhp with a decent exhaust, but wont be like 300+ or anything

Alps Pacino

350bhp n/a has been seen, proably more. I have seen a 680bhp turbo motor on a completely standard engine and clutch head gasket, just a turbo conversion and managment etc

dug112y

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my mistake chip, i thought it was for a FWD application....am sure someone said fiesta in this thread

dug112y

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i might be mistaken here chip but i dont see rwd in the first post...

JonnyBravo

255hp on a dead stock engine with tb's, the exhaust manifolds are excellent anyway and most on the market have been proven to lose you power.

Tuning wise there is all sort out there, some on the link I've posted below although from talking to various people who tune them there are lots of ways to get power out of them without spending a fortune.

I paid £1800 for my complete engine and 6 speed, its done 60k iirc and its immaculate inside. All told with the TB's and dry sump Its going to be a 5k package but thats reliable and IF it did ever fail its another £1500 for a new engine, not a 5k+ rebuild like it would be on all the other engines mentioned.

They fit in a mk2 nicely if dry sumped, otherwise you need to cut the sump up to fit over the crossmember, chassis mount kits are available although not hard to make the plates for the block, I've chosen to use a JEMS tubular crossmember which just allows the engine to sit nice and low as its very tall. The exhaust manifold needs modifying around the steering column and the gearbox tunnel needs to be fettled as the Grp 4 one isn't quite big enough.

No other engine falls into the price range of a F20 for the performance and more importantly reliability which for me was the reason I sold my Vauxhall and went down this route.

http://raceenginedesign.biz/



Here is a pic of the exhaust manifold gasket over the top of my very well worked xe cylinder head !

foreigneRS

the S2000 engine is far from run of the mill because of the spec, not regardless of it. you obviously don't understand the meaning of the phrase and are confusing it with something that means mass produced when in fact it is pretty exotic and a masterpiece of engineering.

RST

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SR20 DE

Dlatch!

amazed no one has mentioned the duratec, a cracking engine and future motorsport benchmark engine that will get used in many formulas.
its no wonder SBD are concentrating on tuning it knowing the good old XE are getting less and less.

pig

s2000 im building

Paul_RS

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2.3 duratec on throttlebodies 200bhp and 200lb/ft

More torque than the S2000 and you could probably buy it (brnad new crate engine) and the TBs/Management for not much more than the S2000 lump.

Plus its going to be easier to fit as i'm pretty sure there are kits to fit it into mk2s?

The S2000 engine is a great engine engineering wise, but personally i hate the torque less wonder that is a rev happy vtec engine.

Drunken Master

Saab/GM L850 engine

orionmojo

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What are you trying to prove? That your a smug git? Are you trying to raise your self worth? piss off. Take a running jump it had nothing to do with you. And your first sentence doesn't make sense.

I explained above that we had our wires crossed (chip and myself). It was a misunderstanding.

You dont understand The context in which it was meant in the first place. That much IS aparrent or else this convo wouldn't be taking place.

Something that is run-of-the-mill is a common, everyday, ordinary item that does not stand out from all the rest. In other words, something or someone that is "run-of-the-mill" is probably not notable.

Now just so i eat another piece of humble pie, i meant a mass produced stock engine in a mk2 escort, AS OPPOSED to a mildly tuned, cheap as chips pinto / x-flow / or zetec with enough poke to keep you tail happy would interest me more. The guy stated he wanted something to build to keep him busy and everyone said s2000 s2000 s2000.

Chip

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It was the old skool ford bit that gave it away mate

dug112y

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it says old and ford....not old school ford .....so technically it could include a mk1 fiesta or a mk3 escort etc

Chip

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Could do, if he had terrible taste in cars, but he doesnt

andrewg

standard s2000 for me!

andrewg

or if it wasn't to be cheap one of these

The all-alloy Duratec engine provides an excellent lightweight rally, race, hillclimb, sprints or kit car engine. Mountune can supply this engine in a number of formats ranging from 195bhp in 2-litre form, through to a 280bhp 2.3-litre right through to our range-topping 330bhp 2.4-litre variant

cozzfather

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when you say best i think the best.

that to me is a roy millington alloy block diamond series 2.4 on twin 50's.
yeah its a fortune but the best aint cheep.

if you want cheep my mate has a genuine tidy ford rs mexico pinto with big cam,yours for not a lot.another mate has probably over 10 2.0 pinto's sat doing nothing and a load of crossflows.

Paul_RS

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Millington would be the daddy, but then its rude not to have a sequential gearbag bolted to it :P

Dan1281

i like pintos, i boiled my old capri 4 times and just fixed the leak, topped it up, good as new haha

foreigneRS

i wasn't trying to prove anything, you've done that all by yourself.

how common and ordinary is a 2 litre engine making 240 bhp?