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Old 24-10-2009, 11:21 AM
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Default 500Horsie 2wd's

are they any quick from a standing start?

What sort of 1/4mile and trap speeds can they achieve, surely on road tyres completely wasted in wheelspin?

Is it worth having a 500HP saff in reality over a 380-400HP one.
Old 24-10-2009, 11:36 AM
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why do you care you have a bm that only does 13s.
Old 24-10-2009, 11:39 AM
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dont think you could get a good start due to the 18degree rear beam, idealy you want 0 degree when dagging. and people always complain about the launch on them.

probably get a good trap speed if you waited till it had grip then floored it
Old 24-10-2009, 11:46 AM
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Carl, my saff was 460bhp, had Zoo rear beam etc, Quaife diff, my old 3dr had 360 bhp and it was alot easier to launch and i,m being totally honest quicker to 100 mph.

The saff just used to spin as you,ve said, i personally think for a road cossie 350-400 is just dead-on..

I,m sure other folks will disagree like...

Edited to say..

If i remember Mike Rainbirds old saff at around 380 used to hammer mid 12 quarters all day long with a decent terminal too...good set-up it had too though....

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Old 24-10-2009, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Staffi.
Carl, my saff was 460bhp, had Zoo rear beam etc, Quaife diff, my old 3dr had 360 bhp and it was alot easier to launch and i,m being totally honest quicker to 100 mph.

The saff just used to spin as you,ve said, i personally think for a road cossie 350-400 is just dead-on..

I,m sure other folks will disagree like...

Edited to say..

If i remember Mike Rainbirds old saff at around 380 used to hammer mid 12 quarters all day long with a decent terminal too...good set-up it had too though....

think Rainbum's Saph was 500bhp actually T4 beast lol
Old 24-10-2009, 11:52 AM
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pretty shit then !! you would think that being rwd they would put the power down well.
Old 24-10-2009, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Staffi.
Carl, my saff was 460bhp, had Zoo rear beam etc, Quaife diff, my old 3dr had 360 bhp and it was alot easier to launch and i,m being totally honest quicker to 100 mph.

The saff just used to spin as you,ve said, i personally think for a road cossie 350-400 is just dead-on..

I,m sure other folks will disagree like...

Edited to say..

If i remember Mike Rainbirds old saff at around 380 used to hammer mid 12 quarters all day long with a decent terminal too...good set-up it had too though....
Hi mate, thanks for the reply. How did yours do with 460HP then? how does the ream beam from ZOO help then? Did it affect its road performance though or is it just the standard jobby was shiight?

Rainbirds best with 380 was 12.8 mate.
Old 24-10-2009, 11:57 AM
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I would guess terminals of 120mph+ with 500bhp.

Is it worth it over a 400bhp depends on what you want from it, if you had the right stuff to put the power down then yes or anything other then 1/4 mile or tight track I would say yes.

Also I would only run R888 or similar with those power levels, expensive but I was amazed at the difference compared to F1's etc.
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
Hi mate, thanks for the reply. How did yours do with 460HP then? how does the ream beam from ZOO help then? Did it affect its road performance though or is it just the standard jobby was shiight?

Rainbirds best with 380 was 12.8 mate.
well thats shit imo for a 380hp rwd car.
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Originally Posted by crazycage
well thats shit imo for a 380hp rwd car.
No its not, why is it shit. The 60ft was 2.2 Not brilliant but ok for 380hp old saff. The trap was 113 iirc.


EDIT: it was 385HP, did 12.6@115

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Originally Posted by Munch
think Rainbum's Saph was 500bhp actually T4 beast lol
Hi Lee,

Long-time no speak matey..

It was 500 in the end mate yes, but i,m pretty sure when it was around 370-380 the car was putting in very decent 1/4 times..

I,m sure he,ll be along soon..
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
Hi mate, thanks for the reply. How did yours do with 460HP then? how does the ream beam from ZOO help then? Did it affect its road performance though or is it just the standard jobby was shiight?
Carl,

The turn-in with the Beam on was alot better tbh, almost felt like a 4wd car, as for how did the car go, personally i hated the T38 on the car, VERY laggy, pulled well once going though, i think it may of needed different cams etc tbh.
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
No its not, why is it shit. The 60ft was 2.2 Not brilliant but ok for 380hp old saff. The trap was 113 iirc.


EDIT: it was 385HP, did 12.6@115
you have just said for your self it was doing 2.2 60fts ... my fez is a poxy fwd and does 2.1 60fts and my cars weight gets transferred off the front wheel when i launch not like a saff or 3door. so its not great is it ???
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Originally Posted by S1 JOHN S1
Power to weight mate ,

Hence u have wenny with the mk3 escort (cossie) running mad 1/4 time's
wennys weight has nothing to do with his 1.5 60fts or my 60fts.
Old 24-10-2009, 01:33 PM
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i will let ya know when i get used to mine lol
Old 24-10-2009, 01:40 PM
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There are to many cossies out there with way much poower for the chassis and most feel horrible ,imo real suspension a decent diff beam ect is needed in a cossie over 380bhp to make it rewarding ,a car without supported mods might feel quick but it isnt
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Originally Posted by S1 JOHN S1
So if it weighed 3tonne it would move as fast

Just saying weight and power and how it's delivered is all aspect's to account when it come's the 1/4 mile,
i know what you are getting at but the weight is not the reason they are doing the 60fts that are.

the first 60ft is all about grip in 1st and 2nd gear not the weight . why am i getting off the line better than 3doors and saffs and im putting down 300+hp ??

all im saying is a rwd with 385bhp should be capable of 1.8 60fts with good rubber.
Old 24-10-2009, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Nemesis,
There are to many cossies out there with way much poower for the chassis and most feel horrible ,imo real suspension a decent diff beam ect is needed in a cossie over 380bhp to make it rewarding ,a car without supported mods might feel quick but it isnt

Agreed all mine needs is the beam and she is there
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
Agreed all mine needs is GOOD DRIVER


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Now listen here pete ya biatch!

I have been a busy little soldier on that car so leave me alone!
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
Now listen here pete ya biatch!

I have been a busy little soldier on that car so leave me alone!
Couldn,t resist Dougie you know me...

I,m jealous mate that,s all....
Old 24-10-2009, 02:03 PM
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My black 500 doesnt struggle for grip as its mapped correctly

Of course if you want it to light the tyres up in 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th it will but in reality i will squat and pulls like a train

A propper mapped car will get of the line better than a home tuned 500 hp car

I run Gaz coilovers and a std rear beam , But i have got a new adrenaline beam sat ready to go in for next year
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Originally Posted by Staffi.
Couldn,t resist Dougie you know me...

I,m jealous mate that,s all....

whens ya beast going to be ready pete?
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Paul, is your black 500 500bhp then?? o thought it was around 350-400..
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
whens ya beast going to be ready pete?
Sometime next week Doug....

It,s just the Gunship i,m having mate, staying with the Stage 2 TT T3, should be nice and punchy though mate, around 320bhp with 330-340ft/lb so a great road car...
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Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
My black 500 doesnt struggle for grip as its mapped correctly

Of course if you want it to light the tyres up in 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th it will but in reality i will squat and pulls like a train

A propper mapped car will get of the line better than a home tuned 500 hp car

I run Gaz coilovers and a std rear beam , But i have got a new adrenaline beam sat ready to go in for next year

i am on avo coilovers,i was told that the standard diff and the standard diff mount actually cause alot of the grip issues,and that the quiaffe/grp a mount actually sort alot of the problems out?although i am still going to get a beam to make use of the long 1st gear
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Originally Posted by Staffi.
Sometime next week Doug....

It,s just the Gunship i,m having mate, staying with the Stage 2 TT T3, should be nice and punchy though mate, around 320bhp with 330-340ft/lb so a great road car...

Karls gunships are the bollocks mate!it will be surperb!!!
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Originally Posted by Staffi.
Paul, is your black 500 500bhp then?? o thought it was around 350-400..

A nats bollock over 500 mate

Has been for 18 months now
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
Karls gunships are the bollocks mate!it will be surperb!!!
Yes Doug, really looking forward to driving it back...



Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
A nats bollock over 500 mate

Has been for 18 months now

Didn,t realise Paul, my age you see mate, forgetful getting....
Old 24-10-2009, 02:18 PM
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Totb Qualifier 2003
504bhp/492ft-lb
0-60 - 4.6
0-100 - 8.1
Qtr 12.1 @ 127mph
Standing 1.25 mile - 179.6mph
it later did a 11.8 with a similar terminal.
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Was that on a GT30 Rod then the saff?? 11.8 is very good going....
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my old 500 537bhp 486lbft back in 98 was doing 12.54 std rear beam pumped diff wheelspun most of the way terminal of 128 mph..shit car for quarter miles but fucking awesome on the road..cheers danny
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Originally Posted by b19 dfp
my old 500 537bhp 486lbft back in 98 was doing 12.54 std rear beam pumped diff wheelspun most of the way terminal of 128 mph..shit car for quarter miles but fucking awesome on the road..cheers danny
The time compared to Rods is pretty rubbish, Trap speed confirms the massive power you had though.

Do you remember the 60ft?
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my fiends saff at pod, 11.3 quarter mile
lee catermoles 3 door, 11.1 quarter mile
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Originally Posted by AJC
my fiends saff at pod, 11.3 quarter mile
lee catermoles 3 door, 11.1 quarter mile
AJ, what trap speeds and what HP?
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Carl, lee,s 3dr is 500+bhp, T4 etc...

11.1 is an awesome time tbh....
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