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22-10-2009, 11:12 AM
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I know this sounds like I dont care about Royal Mail's employees flight - but how about revolutionising the system into one that works! or giving away all the secrets to DHL or someone who can make it work?
We are paying a higher amount year on year for our postage, and seeing a worse and worse service for our money. now lets take yesterday for example, I have someone who bought something from me weighing just over 2kgs, and needs it rather quickly. If I had confidence in DHL could have got there act together to collect I would have used them. however instead I paid more money to goto the post office, post an item I know is just going to sit in a post office for a couple of days, and get delivered sometime next week due to a strike.
Now I am not a high volume poster, and to be completely honest I couldnt care less if Royal Mail went bankrupt, its been a long time coming. What I do not understand, is how a business can put its prices up year on year, for providing a worse service year on year.
These strikes are going to continue and become more frequent and RM's prices will continue to rise, i predict the way things are going there will be no RM in about 4-5 years, the time it takes the other couriers to get truly upto speed.
We are paying a higher amount year on year for our postage, and seeing a worse and worse service for our money. now lets take yesterday for example, I have someone who bought something from me weighing just over 2kgs, and needs it rather quickly. If I had confidence in DHL could have got there act together to collect I would have used them. however instead I paid more money to goto the post office, post an item I know is just going to sit in a post office for a couple of days, and get delivered sometime next week due to a strike.
Now I am not a high volume poster, and to be completely honest I couldnt care less if Royal Mail went bankrupt, its been a long time coming. What I do not understand, is how a business can put its prices up year on year, for providing a worse service year on year.
These strikes are going to continue and become more frequent and RM's prices will continue to rise, i predict the way things are going there will be no RM in about 4-5 years, the time it takes the other couriers to get truly upto speed.
22-10-2009, 11:13 AM
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There are bankers out there making 100's of thousands for there stressfull jobs, yet they rely on an underpaid, overworked and overstressed nurse to save there lives when they eventually succomb to the stress of there job!
22-10-2009, 11:16 AM
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They do not strike and watch people die (hold the country to ransom as such) Where as royal mail think they can do this (bullshit) is the term TBH,
So they never get anymore pay,
But royal mail can through a sort of black mail to the system,
Sorry that's as it seem's to me
I will no doubt be corrected
LMAO.
22-10-2009, 11:16 AM
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22-10-2009, 11:22 AM
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both my parents work within the royal mail... they get called in to do the fucking posties job when they are on strike and thats becoming almost twice a week! and my dad is a financial analyst working in the centre of london... these strikes take the fucking biscuit thats for sure.
22-10-2009, 11:43 AM
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22-10-2009, 11:47 AM
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I can understand people being unhappy about something within their workplace, most people are, but what i dont understand is why Royal Mail are allowed to fucking go on stike over it?!? It's total bullshit. I dont mind admitting that i just do not understand it, why are these people allowed to go on strike if they are not happy about something? Takes the piss. Now, if fireman, for example, who risk their lives everyday go on strike because they feel they are underpaid (which they are) or they're are not happy about some kind of safety procedure, whatever, i can understand that (that and because of the nature of the job often the army gets involved to cover for them), but postman walk up and down the road stuffing letters through peoples letterboxes!!! And, getting paid 17k a year to do it!! What vital role are they forfilling?? None. If you're really not happy about something at work, and you've tried all avenues and you can't see a resolution, find...another...job! Thats what any normal person would do. I mean fuck me, if everyone went on strike when they're not happy about something at work nothing would ever get done!
I totally agree with the people that say sack them and give their jobs to people that deserve them, and people that say most people are on the dole because they can't be bothered to work are talking utter bollocks. And remember, its not skilled work, a fucking monkey could do it, so replacement staff wouldn't need any kind training etc. So you sack off lazy cunts and give their jobs to people that want to work but cant get a job for whatever reason. its a win win situation...But, they're not allowed to hire in people in replacement for staff that are on strike. Edit - are they allowed to hire monkeys though, therefore exposing some kind of dastadly loophole in the system? Will look into this at a later date..
The whole situation just beggers belief! I think its fair to say it's going to take a long time for Royal Mail's reputation to recover from this, and who'd want to be a postman next week?? Verbal abuse anyone??
I totally agree with the people that say sack them and give their jobs to people that deserve them, and people that say most people are on the dole because they can't be bothered to work are talking utter bollocks. And remember, its not skilled work, a fucking monkey could do it, so replacement staff wouldn't need any kind training etc. So you sack off lazy cunts and give their jobs to people that want to work but cant get a job for whatever reason. its a win win situation...But, they're not allowed to hire in people in replacement for staff that are on strike. Edit - are they allowed to hire monkeys though, therefore exposing some kind of dastadly loophole in the system? Will look into this at a later date..
The whole situation just beggers belief! I think its fair to say it's going to take a long time for Royal Mail's reputation to recover from this, and who'd want to be a postman next week?? Verbal abuse anyone??
22-10-2009, 12:04 PM
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They're going on a 3 day strike next week apparently, talk about screwing your own jobs!
What they dont seem to get is if the Tories get in at the next election which it looks like they will then they will put Royal Mail through the shredder.
22-10-2009, 02:39 PM
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Funnily enough theres a pub round here thats walking distance of the sorting office thats on strike. You'll find plenty of the slack bastards in there!! Can't be that bad if they can afford to be in there when they're not getting paid to be on strike.
22-10-2009, 02:43 PM
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I had a 30 minute or so conversation with a friend of mine who works for Royal Mail...
It was really really long and I doubt anyone cba reading it!
It was really really long and I doubt anyone cba reading it!
22-10-2009, 03:09 PM
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im a posti a hard workin 1 that earns gd money i vaule my job and am not a work shy cunt!!! start work at 5pm finish at 6.30am becoz i choose 2, i work in a small office where none of these issue's really affect us 50% will work through the strike.
but im on leave this week so i stil get paid.
im fed up losing money more so u lot coz u didnt get ur letter!!
the strike is 4am til 4am
but im on leave this week so i stil get paid.
im fed up losing money more so u lot coz u didnt get ur letter!!
the strike is 4am til 4am
22-10-2009, 03:21 PM
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im a posti a hard workin 1 that earns gd money i vaule my job and am not a work shy cunt!!! start work at 5pm finish at 6.30am becoz i choose 2, i work in a small office where none of these issue's really affect us 50% will work through the strike.
but im on leave this week so i stil get paid.
im fed up losing money more so u lot coz u didnt get ur letter!!
the strike is 4am til 4am
but im on leave this week so i stil get paid.
im fed up losing money more so u lot coz u didnt get ur letter!!
the strike is 4am til 4am
22-10-2009, 03:29 PM
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Well here it is, I did tell you it was a long read!
Tim says (13:52):
*Why are Royal Mail being work shy bastards?
[Rick] ** says (13:52):
*nah nothing like that at all
*its way too much to talk about on here
*but then again its a difficult situation because royal mail covers the whole country doesnt it
*so every office has different problems
Tim says (13:52):
*well I thought it did cover the whole country, but only when it suits them
Tim says (13:53):
*end of the day i see it as, get paid your money which is more than my mum who is a nurse you do your contracted hours, how is putting a letter through someones door anymore complicated than that?
[Rick] ** says (13:53):
*well if you was to talk about our office
[Rick] ** says (13:54):
*the main problem is that there simply isnt enough people to do the job
*basically
*every day walks are getting left in
*every day the office either fails or barely scrapes through
*so they rely on people to do overtime to clear the walks that are not covered
*now if there isnt enough people to cover the walks then the managers have to take it out
[Rick] ** says (13:55):
*because the mail needs to be cleared daily
*in some extreme circumstances mail will be left untill the following day
*which is appauling service
*when i started about 5 years ago royal mail had a 200,000 strong work force
*i think the work force now is around 130,000
Tim says (13:56):
*i am listening by the way just wanna let you finish first
[Rick] ** says (13:56):
*now to put it in simple terms i very much doubt that britain has lost over 25% of its delivery points
*i know its not quite as simple as that though obviously
Tim says (13:57):
*so from that, royal mail expect people to do overtime and people are unwilling to do it or what? so the managers end up having to do it? so it's the managers of the depots/sorting offices that have implemented the strike?
[Rick] ** says (13:57):
*no the strike is quite complex but im talking about the problems in my office
*as i said before every office is different
Tim says (13:57):
*I was under the impression wrongly or not, that the issue was down to Royal Mail cost cutting, thus insisting people no longer did overtime work within their working hours and they worked their full contracted hours rather than working overtime within those hours
*I see
*so it's predominantly further up the food chain then?
[Rick] ** says (13:57):
*maybe the offices in london are striking mainly because of pay, maybe they cant afford to live on what they get paid?
[Rick] ** says (13:58):
*there are also issues with pay
Tim says (13:58):
*i doubt it mate, nurses in london are on less than posties i believe and you dont hear them complaining about money
[Rick] ** says (13:58):
*like for example the last time we went on strike royal mail agreed on a 2.5 % pay rise
*which they didnt implement this summer because they played the "recession card"
[Rick] ** says (13:59):
*so they froze pay
*but thats not why we are striking as i said
*personally i dont want to strike
*and im sure most postmen you speak to dont want to strike
*because you go to work to earn money
[Rick] ** says (14:00):
*im not in the union because i think its bollocks
*the union are just being militant cunts
*but then again royal mail are taking the piss
*so both of them are in the wrong
*but from my point of view you cant carry on going how it is
*because the walks are constantly getting bigger
*and theres less and less people to do it
[Rick] ** says (14:01):
*all the shit you see on the news in nonsense
Tim says (14:01):
*but workers are shooting themselves in the foot as the publics opinion of royal mail is changing into the negative, thus less people will lose them, then less work goes through royal mails door which in turn leads to further cuts of staff levels surely
[Rick] ** says (14:01):
*of course
Tim says (14:01):
*its all a load of shit anyway, so many different people with so many different opinions of how life should be
[Rick] ** says (14:01):
*thats obviously the case
*like i said nobody wants to go on strike
[Rick] ** says (14:02):
*its the union
Tim says (14:02):
*I think there is a certain element of greed involved though, people always want more but sometimes theres not more to give i.e. how much profit did royal mail make in last few years? I'm sure it was a operating loss?
[Rick] ** says (14:02):
*no they made record profits last year
*and have made profits the last 2 years i think
*but what royal mail are saying is that theres a 1billion pensions deficit
Tim says (14:02):
*ah yes it was before that they made the losses as it was going downhill, does that not stink of progress in itself then?
[Rick] ** says (14:03):
*before that they was loosing money every year yes
*but theres also so much stuff you dont know that they dont mention on the news
*lots of things surrounding the pension
*i dont take much notice in that personally as i dont pay into it
[Rick] ** says (14:04):
*i dont pay into the union or anything
Tim says (14:04):
*so do you not get paid for strike days?
[Rick] ** says (14:04):
*of course not
*otherwise everybody would be striking every day wouldnt they?
*but the union still get paid when they are on strike
*which is what pisses me off
*but fortunately its my day off 2morrow
[Rick] ** says (14:05):
*so i get away with loosing pay
Tim says (14:05):
*long weekend! woo lmfao
[Rick] ** says (14:05):
*well no cos i still have to work saturday
*and saturday is gonna be a shit day
Tim says (14:05):
*oh are they not striking then too?
[Rick] ** says (14:05):
*no today the mail centres and wagon drivers have gone out
*tomorrow are delivery staff
Tim says (14:06):
*right so the unions are making it even harder work for themselves? lol
*i should be the boss of the world mate haha
[Rick] ** says (14:06):
*its not hard work for the union at all
*they dont loose any pay
*they just tell other people to go on strike
[Rick] ** says (14:07):
*the only way to resolve this would be a "work to rule" week
*a week where all postal workers worked to rule. what i mean by that is not doing overtime, and not helping the company in anyway, IE: using your own cars etc...
*now that would fuck the company up way more than 1 day of strike would
Tim says (14:07):
*so why don't they do that?
[Rick] ** says (14:08):
*but the problem with that is you simply cant implement it because some people will do it and some wont
*we have tried it before
*and you just get people doing overytime secretly
*then claiming it back after everything turns back to normal again with the managers
[Rick] ** says (14:09):
*because alot of people rely on the overtime to survive
Tim says (14:09):
*so those workers who aren't part of a union who strike are they not actually breaking the law? as they are not part of a union?
[Rick] ** says (14:09):
*i dont think so
*im not part of the union but last time there was a strike i didnt go into work
[Rick] ** says (14:10):
*thing is even if we were on strike and i decided to go into work id just get sent somewhere like preston mail centre anyway and be sorting mail all day
*because there would be no mail to be delivered as it wont have been processed yet
[Rick] ** says (14:11):
*surely you have noticed the times that you see postmen delivering these days
*you see them delivering at 3-4 oclock
Tim says (14:11):
*yes I have, or not at all in some cases
[Rick] ** says (14:11):
*exactly
*because there just isnt enough staff
Tim says (14:11):
*I'm not being all high and mighty about it I'm not picking at you to prove you wrong or whatever I'm just genuinely interested
Tim says (14:12):
*as it fucks up my work as most of my proposals need posting to me direct so i can sign the original document to then post off again
[Rick] ** says (14:12):
*people seem to think that if the mail is late that we are just sat around in the sorting office or something
*we dont even get out on the streets till 10 now
Tim says (14:12):
*if i don't do that i can't earn money and im fucked if im paying for special delivery or for DHL or someone to do it
*why so late?
[Rick] ** says (14:12):
*because were simply sorting
*as soon as we finish sorting we hit the streets
*sorting from 6 till around 10
[Rick] ** says (14:13):
*then delivering from 10 - 2pm
*i dont take a break and i use my car
*so i normally finish around 1
*but thats my personal choice as i would rather do that
*than wait for bags to be dropped off for me and trollies etc..
Tim says (14:13):
*yep and if you didn't sort mail you'd finish at...?
*then you'd do overtime work and get paid to do both?
[Rick] ** says (14:14):
*well theres not an option of wether you can or cant sort mail
*what do you deliver if its not sorted?
Tim says (14:14):
*yes but in the past thats how it would have worked surely?
[Rick] ** says (14:14):
*you have to sort the mail to deliver it
Tim says (14:14):
*posties posted shit, sorters sorted shit
*if posties sort it they finish later thus they become unable to plant the overtime work on essentially earning 2 wages at once?
[Rick] ** says (14:15):
*postmen have always sorted there own mail, but you had other people that just stayed in sorting for the second delivery i think
*i think thats what you mean
*unless you talking about 15 years ago
*which i dont know much about..
Tim says (14:15):
*me neither I know fuck all about that
*I'm just questioning what I've heard mate thats all
[Rick] ** says (14:15):
*because theres different stages of sorting
[Rick] ** says (14:17):
*nobody has ever got overtime for sorting
*becuse thats what you do when you start at 6am
*you sort untill your ready, then you go out on delivery
[Rick] ** says (14:18):
*if you go over your time then you claim overtime
*theres no overtime to be claimed for sorting
[Rick] ** says (14:19):
*one of the main reasons why royal mail is loosing money, isnt mentioned on the news
*the postal markey opened up a couple of years back
*which meant that companies like TNT and deutschpost had the right to deliver mail like royal mail
*whereas royal mail always used to have the monopoly
[Rick] ** says (14:20):
*now in some cities you get TNT postmen etc..
*but not so much around where we live
*the thing is though that its not cost effective for TNT to operate deliveries around say cleveleys because they might only have 20 letters for the area for example
[Rick] ** says (14:21):
*so they use royal mail
*if you look at the stamps on your post theres loads of different stamps from different companies
*tnt, buisiness post etc...
*what they do is they pick the mail up from the sender and give it to royal mail to deliver
[Rick] ** says (14:22):
*now they basically pay royal mail a small fee to deliver it but they take money off the customer as like a handling fee
*so effectivly they are making money for nothing
*its just like how if you have the internet
*even if your not with BT your still using the BT line
*thats why BT is the most expensive
Tim says (14:22):
*so whats that got to do with anything?
[Rick] ** says (14:22):
*because they have to maintain the lines
[Rick] ** says (14:23):
*other companies are cheaper than bt because they are getting money for nothing effectivly
*well this is the main reason why royal mail are loosing money
Tim says (14:23):
*yes but those companies pay BT and subsidise the network
*they also maintain their own racks and part own the data centers
[Rick] ** says (14:23):
*yes they pay a small amount to BT
*im just using that as a comparison
Tim says (14:23):
*i know, i realise the analogy there
[Rick] ** says (14:24):
*royal mail still deliver the mail with TNT stamps on
*and TNT get money for nothing effectivly
*all this shit you hear on the news about the main reason being "internet etc" is bollocks
*its not like the internet has happened in the last year
Tim says (14:24):
*lol no
[Rick] ** says (14:25):
*and even so the mail volumes are dropping gradually because of emails etc but then again they dont mention the fact that the packets market is rising
*because of all the people now buying things off the internet
*so theres so many aspects to talk about
*and its so fucking boring
Tim says (14:25):
*lol
[Rick] ** says (14:25):
*i cant beleive im talking about it
Tim says (14:26):
*haha
[Rick] ** says (14:26):
*i think its just because im sick of people in the street talking to me about a subject that they know nothing about
Tim says (14:26):
*for 40 minutes!! haha
[Rick] ** says (14:26):
*simply spouting things that they have been spoonfed by the news
*winds me up
Tim says (14:26):
*well people can only work on what they are told which is why I ASKED you what it was all about
*I've not jumped down your throat have I? Although I would slip my length down there if you wanted?
[Rick] ** says (14:27):
*no
*quite a few people today have acusing me of "black legging" haha
*ive literally had to tell 20 people that im not on strike today
*because they fucking sit at home and watch the news but dont actually listen properly
Tim says (14:28):
*wtf does black legging mean?
[Rick] ** says (14:28):
*even on the news it said that the strike will be two days with mail centres on the thursday and delivery offices on the friday
*mean like being a scab
Tim says (14:28):
*are they implying your a jamaican, you should tell them yor not black your yellow
[Rick] ** says (14:28):
*working when your meant to be on strike
Tim says (14:28):
*ahhh right!
[Rick] ** says (14:28):
*haha i should have said "you being racist mate?"
*is it cos im black?
Tim says (14:28):
*yeh, "is it coz i iz black"
*haha
[Rick] ** says (14:28):
*lol
[Rick] ** says (14:29):
*yeh everybody seems to think were on strike today
Tim says (14:29):
*or just said something in mandarin or whatever
[Rick] ** says (14:29):
*well contonese yeh
Tim says (14:29):
*i thought "royal mail" collectively were
*mate your all the same!!!! haha
[Rick] ** says (14:29):
*cant speak mandarin, although i need to learn
Tim says (14:29):
*chinkies, japs, blacks, indians etc
*all the same people haha
*like whites and eskimos
*same people
*although eskimos can fish like trojans
Tim says (14:30):
*and whites and generally useless worthless jobsworth cunts
[Rick] ** says (14:30):
*eskimos are just like chinese people
Tim says (14:30):
*nah they're not, they don't eat noodles lol
[Rick] ** says (14:30):
*no they eat fish
Tim says (14:30):
*and reindeer
[Rick] ** says (14:30):
*i mean they are the same race effectivly
*they definately are not caucasian
Tim says (14:30):
*why can't santa just deliver all the mail? He does the world in one night on his own?
[Rick] ** says (14:31):
*he should do, lazy fat cunt.
Tim says (14:31):
*hes too busy jacking off while mrs clause fucks rudolph
[Rick] ** says (14:31):
*haha
*sticking it to his dwarfs
*cos his cock is massive compared to them
*makes him feel like a real champ
Tim says (14:31):
*see you can't say dwarves and elves are the same?
*they're not
[Rick] ** says (14:31):
*sorry
Tim says (14:32):
*dwarves are spasticated white people and elves are deliberately short fuckers
[Rick] ** says (14:32):
*haha
Tim says (14:32):
*plus elves are fashion revolutionaries!
*although it hasn't caught on yet has it
[Rick] ** says (14:34):
*lets go to lancaster
Tim says (14:34):
*kendal?
[Rick] ** says (14:34):
*mint cake?
*or we can just go to a tescos and get some MINT! cake
Tim says (14:35):
*haha!
*i want a toffee apple so i can go and see my fit dentist when my teeth shatters
*you reckon it's possible to rip your ass to shreds by shitting out a broken tooth? I hope not!
*I don't want ass bleeds
[Rick] ** says (14:36):
*do you spit the pink water all over her top in the hope it might go see through to get a glimpse of her breast?
Tim says (14:36):
*no, i just take a piss on her
*dirty little skank haha
[Rick] ** says (14:36):
*wee times
Tim says (14:36):
*speaking of which, im gona go play on the wii for abit
*thanks for the chat, i now love royal mail
*well i don't but i love you xx
[Rick] ** says (14:36):
*ok
*bye byes x
Tim says (13:52):
*Why are Royal Mail being work shy bastards?
[Rick] ** says (13:52):
*nah nothing like that at all
*its way too much to talk about on here
*but then again its a difficult situation because royal mail covers the whole country doesnt it
*so every office has different problems
Tim says (13:52):
*well I thought it did cover the whole country, but only when it suits them
Tim says (13:53):
*end of the day i see it as, get paid your money which is more than my mum who is a nurse you do your contracted hours, how is putting a letter through someones door anymore complicated than that?
[Rick] ** says (13:53):
*well if you was to talk about our office
[Rick] ** says (13:54):
*the main problem is that there simply isnt enough people to do the job
*basically
*every day walks are getting left in
*every day the office either fails or barely scrapes through
*so they rely on people to do overtime to clear the walks that are not covered
*now if there isnt enough people to cover the walks then the managers have to take it out
[Rick] ** says (13:55):
*because the mail needs to be cleared daily
*in some extreme circumstances mail will be left untill the following day
*which is appauling service
*when i started about 5 years ago royal mail had a 200,000 strong work force
*i think the work force now is around 130,000
Tim says (13:56):
*i am listening by the way just wanna let you finish first
[Rick] ** says (13:56):
*now to put it in simple terms i very much doubt that britain has lost over 25% of its delivery points
*i know its not quite as simple as that though obviously
Tim says (13:57):
*so from that, royal mail expect people to do overtime and people are unwilling to do it or what? so the managers end up having to do it? so it's the managers of the depots/sorting offices that have implemented the strike?
[Rick] ** says (13:57):
*no the strike is quite complex but im talking about the problems in my office
*as i said before every office is different
Tim says (13:57):
*I was under the impression wrongly or not, that the issue was down to Royal Mail cost cutting, thus insisting people no longer did overtime work within their working hours and they worked their full contracted hours rather than working overtime within those hours
*I see
*so it's predominantly further up the food chain then?
[Rick] ** says (13:57):
*maybe the offices in london are striking mainly because of pay, maybe they cant afford to live on what they get paid?
[Rick] ** says (13:58):
*there are also issues with pay
Tim says (13:58):
*i doubt it mate, nurses in london are on less than posties i believe and you dont hear them complaining about money
[Rick] ** says (13:58):
*like for example the last time we went on strike royal mail agreed on a 2.5 % pay rise
*which they didnt implement this summer because they played the "recession card"
[Rick] ** says (13:59):
*so they froze pay
*but thats not why we are striking as i said
*personally i dont want to strike
*and im sure most postmen you speak to dont want to strike
*because you go to work to earn money
[Rick] ** says (14:00):
*im not in the union because i think its bollocks
*the union are just being militant cunts
*but then again royal mail are taking the piss
*so both of them are in the wrong
*but from my point of view you cant carry on going how it is
*because the walks are constantly getting bigger
*and theres less and less people to do it
[Rick] ** says (14:01):
*all the shit you see on the news in nonsense
Tim says (14:01):
*but workers are shooting themselves in the foot as the publics opinion of royal mail is changing into the negative, thus less people will lose them, then less work goes through royal mails door which in turn leads to further cuts of staff levels surely
[Rick] ** says (14:01):
*of course
Tim says (14:01):
*its all a load of shit anyway, so many different people with so many different opinions of how life should be
[Rick] ** says (14:01):
*thats obviously the case
*like i said nobody wants to go on strike
[Rick] ** says (14:02):
*its the union
Tim says (14:02):
*I think there is a certain element of greed involved though, people always want more but sometimes theres not more to give i.e. how much profit did royal mail make in last few years? I'm sure it was a operating loss?
[Rick] ** says (14:02):
*no they made record profits last year
*and have made profits the last 2 years i think
*but what royal mail are saying is that theres a 1billion pensions deficit
Tim says (14:02):
*ah yes it was before that they made the losses as it was going downhill, does that not stink of progress in itself then?
[Rick] ** says (14:03):
*before that they was loosing money every year yes
*but theres also so much stuff you dont know that they dont mention on the news
*lots of things surrounding the pension
*i dont take much notice in that personally as i dont pay into it
[Rick] ** says (14:04):
*i dont pay into the union or anything
Tim says (14:04):
*so do you not get paid for strike days?
[Rick] ** says (14:04):
*of course not
*otherwise everybody would be striking every day wouldnt they?
*but the union still get paid when they are on strike
*which is what pisses me off
*but fortunately its my day off 2morrow
[Rick] ** says (14:05):
*so i get away with loosing pay
Tim says (14:05):
*long weekend! woo lmfao
[Rick] ** says (14:05):
*well no cos i still have to work saturday
*and saturday is gonna be a shit day
Tim says (14:05):
*oh are they not striking then too?
[Rick] ** says (14:05):
*no today the mail centres and wagon drivers have gone out
*tomorrow are delivery staff
Tim says (14:06):
*right so the unions are making it even harder work for themselves? lol
*i should be the boss of the world mate haha
[Rick] ** says (14:06):
*its not hard work for the union at all
*they dont loose any pay
*they just tell other people to go on strike
[Rick] ** says (14:07):
*the only way to resolve this would be a "work to rule" week
*a week where all postal workers worked to rule. what i mean by that is not doing overtime, and not helping the company in anyway, IE: using your own cars etc...
*now that would fuck the company up way more than 1 day of strike would
Tim says (14:07):
*so why don't they do that?
[Rick] ** says (14:08):
*but the problem with that is you simply cant implement it because some people will do it and some wont
*we have tried it before
*and you just get people doing overytime secretly
*then claiming it back after everything turns back to normal again with the managers
[Rick] ** says (14:09):
*because alot of people rely on the overtime to survive
Tim says (14:09):
*so those workers who aren't part of a union who strike are they not actually breaking the law? as they are not part of a union?
[Rick] ** says (14:09):
*i dont think so
*im not part of the union but last time there was a strike i didnt go into work
[Rick] ** says (14:10):
*thing is even if we were on strike and i decided to go into work id just get sent somewhere like preston mail centre anyway and be sorting mail all day
*because there would be no mail to be delivered as it wont have been processed yet
[Rick] ** says (14:11):
*surely you have noticed the times that you see postmen delivering these days
*you see them delivering at 3-4 oclock
Tim says (14:11):
*yes I have, or not at all in some cases
[Rick] ** says (14:11):
*exactly
*because there just isnt enough staff
Tim says (14:11):
*I'm not being all high and mighty about it I'm not picking at you to prove you wrong or whatever I'm just genuinely interested
Tim says (14:12):
*as it fucks up my work as most of my proposals need posting to me direct so i can sign the original document to then post off again
[Rick] ** says (14:12):
*people seem to think that if the mail is late that we are just sat around in the sorting office or something
*we dont even get out on the streets till 10 now
Tim says (14:12):
*if i don't do that i can't earn money and im fucked if im paying for special delivery or for DHL or someone to do it
*why so late?
[Rick] ** says (14:12):
*because were simply sorting
*as soon as we finish sorting we hit the streets
*sorting from 6 till around 10
[Rick] ** says (14:13):
*then delivering from 10 - 2pm
*i dont take a break and i use my car
*so i normally finish around 1
*but thats my personal choice as i would rather do that
*than wait for bags to be dropped off for me and trollies etc..
Tim says (14:13):
*yep and if you didn't sort mail you'd finish at...?
*then you'd do overtime work and get paid to do both?
[Rick] ** says (14:14):
*well theres not an option of wether you can or cant sort mail
*what do you deliver if its not sorted?
Tim says (14:14):
*yes but in the past thats how it would have worked surely?
[Rick] ** says (14:14):
*you have to sort the mail to deliver it
Tim says (14:14):
*posties posted shit, sorters sorted shit
*if posties sort it they finish later thus they become unable to plant the overtime work on essentially earning 2 wages at once?
[Rick] ** says (14:15):
*postmen have always sorted there own mail, but you had other people that just stayed in sorting for the second delivery i think
*i think thats what you mean
*unless you talking about 15 years ago
*which i dont know much about..
Tim says (14:15):
*me neither I know fuck all about that
*I'm just questioning what I've heard mate thats all
[Rick] ** says (14:15):
*because theres different stages of sorting
[Rick] ** says (14:17):
*nobody has ever got overtime for sorting
*becuse thats what you do when you start at 6am
*you sort untill your ready, then you go out on delivery
[Rick] ** says (14:18):
*if you go over your time then you claim overtime
*theres no overtime to be claimed for sorting
[Rick] ** says (14:19):
*one of the main reasons why royal mail is loosing money, isnt mentioned on the news
*the postal markey opened up a couple of years back
*which meant that companies like TNT and deutschpost had the right to deliver mail like royal mail
*whereas royal mail always used to have the monopoly
[Rick] ** says (14:20):
*now in some cities you get TNT postmen etc..
*but not so much around where we live
*the thing is though that its not cost effective for TNT to operate deliveries around say cleveleys because they might only have 20 letters for the area for example
[Rick] ** says (14:21):
*so they use royal mail
*if you look at the stamps on your post theres loads of different stamps from different companies
*tnt, buisiness post etc...
*what they do is they pick the mail up from the sender and give it to royal mail to deliver
[Rick] ** says (14:22):
*now they basically pay royal mail a small fee to deliver it but they take money off the customer as like a handling fee
*so effectivly they are making money for nothing
*its just like how if you have the internet
*even if your not with BT your still using the BT line
*thats why BT is the most expensive
Tim says (14:22):
*so whats that got to do with anything?
[Rick] ** says (14:22):
*because they have to maintain the lines
[Rick] ** says (14:23):
*other companies are cheaper than bt because they are getting money for nothing effectivly
*well this is the main reason why royal mail are loosing money
Tim says (14:23):
*yes but those companies pay BT and subsidise the network
*they also maintain their own racks and part own the data centers
[Rick] ** says (14:23):
*yes they pay a small amount to BT
*im just using that as a comparison
Tim says (14:23):
*i know, i realise the analogy there
[Rick] ** says (14:24):
*royal mail still deliver the mail with TNT stamps on
*and TNT get money for nothing effectivly
*all this shit you hear on the news about the main reason being "internet etc" is bollocks
*its not like the internet has happened in the last year
Tim says (14:24):
*lol no
[Rick] ** says (14:25):
*and even so the mail volumes are dropping gradually because of emails etc but then again they dont mention the fact that the packets market is rising
*because of all the people now buying things off the internet
*so theres so many aspects to talk about
*and its so fucking boring
Tim says (14:25):
*lol
[Rick] ** says (14:25):
*i cant beleive im talking about it
Tim says (14:26):
*haha
[Rick] ** says (14:26):
*i think its just because im sick of people in the street talking to me about a subject that they know nothing about
Tim says (14:26):
*for 40 minutes!! haha
[Rick] ** says (14:26):
*simply spouting things that they have been spoonfed by the news
*winds me up
Tim says (14:26):
*well people can only work on what they are told which is why I ASKED you what it was all about
*I've not jumped down your throat have I? Although I would slip my length down there if you wanted?
[Rick] ** says (14:27):
*no
*quite a few people today have acusing me of "black legging" haha
*ive literally had to tell 20 people that im not on strike today
*because they fucking sit at home and watch the news but dont actually listen properly
Tim says (14:28):
*wtf does black legging mean?
[Rick] ** says (14:28):
*even on the news it said that the strike will be two days with mail centres on the thursday and delivery offices on the friday
*mean like being a scab
Tim says (14:28):
*are they implying your a jamaican, you should tell them yor not black your yellow
[Rick] ** says (14:28):
*working when your meant to be on strike
Tim says (14:28):
*ahhh right!
[Rick] ** says (14:28):
*haha i should have said "you being racist mate?"
*is it cos im black?
Tim says (14:28):
*yeh, "is it coz i iz black"
*haha
[Rick] ** says (14:28):
*lol
[Rick] ** says (14:29):
*yeh everybody seems to think were on strike today
Tim says (14:29):
*or just said something in mandarin or whatever
[Rick] ** says (14:29):
*well contonese yeh
Tim says (14:29):
*i thought "royal mail" collectively were
*mate your all the same!!!! haha
[Rick] ** says (14:29):
*cant speak mandarin, although i need to learn
Tim says (14:29):
*chinkies, japs, blacks, indians etc
*all the same people haha
*like whites and eskimos
*same people
*although eskimos can fish like trojans
Tim says (14:30):
*and whites and generally useless worthless jobsworth cunts
[Rick] ** says (14:30):
*eskimos are just like chinese people
Tim says (14:30):
*nah they're not, they don't eat noodles lol
[Rick] ** says (14:30):
*no they eat fish
Tim says (14:30):
*and reindeer
[Rick] ** says (14:30):
*i mean they are the same race effectivly
*they definately are not caucasian
Tim says (14:30):
*why can't santa just deliver all the mail? He does the world in one night on his own?
[Rick] ** says (14:31):
*he should do, lazy fat cunt.
Tim says (14:31):
*hes too busy jacking off while mrs clause fucks rudolph
[Rick] ** says (14:31):
*haha
*sticking it to his dwarfs
*cos his cock is massive compared to them
*makes him feel like a real champ
Tim says (14:31):
*see you can't say dwarves and elves are the same?
*they're not
[Rick] ** says (14:31):
*sorry
Tim says (14:32):
*dwarves are spasticated white people and elves are deliberately short fuckers
[Rick] ** says (14:32):
*haha
Tim says (14:32):
*plus elves are fashion revolutionaries!
*although it hasn't caught on yet has it
[Rick] ** says (14:34):
*lets go to lancaster
Tim says (14:34):
*kendal?
[Rick] ** says (14:34):
*mint cake?
*or we can just go to a tescos and get some MINT! cake
Tim says (14:35):
*haha!
*i want a toffee apple so i can go and see my fit dentist when my teeth shatters
*you reckon it's possible to rip your ass to shreds by shitting out a broken tooth? I hope not!
*I don't want ass bleeds
[Rick] ** says (14:36):
*do you spit the pink water all over her top in the hope it might go see through to get a glimpse of her breast?
Tim says (14:36):
*no, i just take a piss on her
*dirty little skank haha
[Rick] ** says (14:36):
*wee times
Tim says (14:36):
*speaking of which, im gona go play on the wii for abit
*thanks for the chat, i now love royal mail
*well i don't but i love you xx
[Rick] ** says (14:36):
*ok
*bye byes x
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22-10-2009, 03:35 PM
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90% of posti will go on strike for the 1 day strike as soon as it's goes to 2 or 3 day strikes every 1 will flocked back i bet, xmas is cumin it's hard times anywhere we cnt afford this shit the CWU r so thick it's unreal.
OMG cnt believe i pay them 3 quid a week
OMG cnt believe i pay them 3 quid a week
22-10-2009, 03:48 PM
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Haha no!
The whole reason for this topic was I'm pissed off with awaiting car insurance documents, I have 2 proposals that seem to have magically dissapear with signatures on them from clients and I can't do any work until they arrive! I've had 3 letters since 1st October which is just way out of character.
Postman seems to not turn up some days and I am missing alot more mail!
Ah and in regards to the random shite, he's a good mate, known for a long time and it's cool to be a pretend homosexual!
22-10-2009, 04:02 PM
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I know this sounds like I dont care about Royal Mail's employees flight - but how about revolutionising the system into one that works! or giving away all the secrets to DHL or someone who can make it work?
We are paying a higher amount year on year for our postage, and seeing a worse and worse service for our money. now lets take yesterday for example, I have someone who bought something from me weighing just over 2kgs, and needs it rather quickly. If I had confidence in DHL could have got there act together to collect I would have used them. however instead I paid more money to goto the post office, post an item I know is just going to sit in a post office for a couple of days, and get delivered sometime next week due to a strike.
Now I am not a high volume poster, and to be completely honest I couldnt care less if Royal Mail went bankrupt, its been a long time coming. What I do not understand, is how a business can put its prices up year on year, for providing a worse service year on year.
These strikes are going to continue and become more frequent and RM's prices will continue to rise, i predict the way things are going there will be no RM in about 4-5 years, the time it takes the other couriers to get truly upto speed.
We are paying a higher amount year on year for our postage, and seeing a worse and worse service for our money. now lets take yesterday for example, I have someone who bought something from me weighing just over 2kgs, and needs it rather quickly. If I had confidence in DHL could have got there act together to collect I would have used them. however instead I paid more money to goto the post office, post an item I know is just going to sit in a post office for a couple of days, and get delivered sometime next week due to a strike.
Now I am not a high volume poster, and to be completely honest I couldnt care less if Royal Mail went bankrupt, its been a long time coming. What I do not understand, is how a business can put its prices up year on year, for providing a worse service year on year.
These strikes are going to continue and become more frequent and RM's prices will continue to rise, i predict the way things are going there will be no RM in about 4-5 years, the time it takes the other couriers to get truly upto speed.
believe it or not royal mail saves money when we strike, think off all the wages they save that day we're talkin 100 thousands the ppl they empoly to work durin r on basic pay and company stil post the same amount of mail.
oh and royal mail made a profit last year of about 380 millon if i rember rite.
22-10-2009, 04:07 PM
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I can't believe how early some of you get your post.
I have lived where I am now for 27 years, only TWICE in 27 years can I remember post before 1:30 pm, it has never been as early as morning though.
I can't moan about pay I got a rise of Ł1.06p a week this year, putting me 1 PENNY over the limit for free medicine, that now costs me Ł19 a week.
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I have lived where I am now for 27 years, only TWICE in 27 years can I remember post before 1:30 pm, it has never been as early as morning though.
I can't moan about pay I got a rise of Ł1.06p a week this year, putting me 1 PENNY over the limit for free medicine, that now costs me Ł19 a week.
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22-10-2009, 04:08 PM
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royal mail will not go bust 4 the simple reason we deliver ur mail say u went 2, DHL,TNT,uk post or any other postal service u pay them to take it 2 us we then sort and deliver it 2 ur door, half of what u pay them goes to royal mail,
look at some of the post you've recived lately, top corner say TNT DHL UK post wel i bet it was a bloke in a blue and red uniform sayin royal that put it through ur letterbox
look at some of the post you've recived lately, top corner say TNT DHL UK post wel i bet it was a bloke in a blue and red uniform sayin royal that put it through ur letterbox
22-10-2009, 05:30 PM
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focusrrx87 if you think that you are plain stupid, TNT have got a full on postal service tried and tested from start to finish, they are waiting some laws changing/altering before we start seeing orange posties on the street
22-10-2009, 05:34 PM
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you have hit the nail on the head.
they are trying to run it down to sell off
royal mail will only give me a 35 hour contract, yet most weeks im working 45 plus. great ill get paid for what i work,but when im ill or on holiday i only get my basic hours. and most posties only get given 25-30 hour contracts.
our misrable excuse for a bonus has been taken away from us as the bosses say royal mail cant afford it. but the top bosses claimed millions in bonuses
as for the mail getting later, that is management not wanting to pay for a night shift to work, so we now dont receive our mail till 7. it used to come at 5
then we have to spend around 3 hours sorting it into the right order to deliver. on my round i have to deliver to over 500 houses,which is usually around 5 bags of mail. not 1 like most people think.
i say to anyone, come work with me for the day and you will see its not "piss easy" like you all think it is
22-10-2009, 05:39 PM
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My postie lives opposite my mate and he's a right miserable cunt and rides a moped but that's more down to the fact his wife pissed off with someone else and his car. He told me weeks ago there was a strike planned, my reply of "be thankful you've got a fucking job" didn't go down too well and he's not spoke to me since
22-10-2009, 05:53 PM
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the fucking unions wont be happy until theyve destroyed every last occupation and trade. they wont be homeless though, their pockets are well and truely stuffed full at the expence of the mugs that pay the fees every week and the back handers handed out by the companies to sell their members down the river.
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22-10-2009, 05:54 PM
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such an inconvinence! i was waiting for a job application form they lost in the post, another one arrived yesterday, was in the post, filled in this morning and needed to be there tomorow morning!
in my current job, when times were hard, i worked my ass off to keep the buisnes turning over and save my job, not much moaning (until now)!
p.s. pmsl @ tags!
in my current job, when times were hard, i worked my ass off to keep the buisnes turning over and save my job, not much moaning (until now)!
p.s. pmsl @ tags!
22-10-2009, 05:57 PM
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but they wont because the average town/village costs royal mail money to deliver too. its parcels where royal mail make the money
dhl is the german post office
ups is the american post office
tnt is netherlands post office
so if your happy with the foreigners taking over your post delivery
22-10-2009, 06:04 PM
#73
From what i understand they are striking because they used to get paid for 8 hours yet if they finished earlier they would still get eight hours, but now they have to work the full 8 hours.. well tough shit is what i say, all they are doing by striking is losing royal mail business, and it won't be long before royal mail doesn't exist at this rate, its all fine for these people to do this, but when they have to go for a job with another company that eventually takes over royal mail they will probably not get a job because they will all be seen as trouble causers. there just a bunch of fuckin moaners if you ask me, it gets me that there is so many people with mortgages out there that can't get work at the minute an there puttin there jobs at risk, fuckin get back to work an stop holding the public to ransom. why do we have to suffer for there problems, it ain't right, sack the lot of em
so if they start giving you more work to make up your 8 hours they are paying you for, and you then start working slower and it takes you 10 hours to do what was normally taking you 6 hours to do, would you get 2 hours overtime?
22-10-2009, 06:12 PM
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so it's basicly job and knock, so the quicker you get the job done the quicker you can go home yes?
so if they start giving you more work to make up your 8 hours they are paying you for, and you then start working slower and it takes you 10 hours to do what was normally taking you 6 hours to do, would you get 2 hours overtime?
so if they start giving you more work to make up your 8 hours they are paying you for, and you then start working slower and it takes you 10 hours to do what was normally taking you 6 hours to do, would you get 2 hours overtime?
so if you can point me to these so called easy rounds i would love one
instead i work my bollocks off in wind,rain,snow
and get abused by people who dont know what they are talking about
22-10-2009, 06:17 PM
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this is from the cwu website
Yes Vote Shows Royal Mail is Failing
8th October 2009
The Communication Workers Union today (Thursday) can report a yes vote in the national ballot for strike action in Royal Mail. Postal workers voted by 76 per cent in favour of strike action.
Dave Ward, CWU deputy general secretary, said: "This is a huge vote of no confidence in Royal Mail management. The company has tried to make out that problems only exist in some local offices, but postal workers across the UK have now spoken and they say no to Royal Mail's arrogance.
"Royal Mail has never really been engaged in modernisation. They've been running down the business, running down services and cutting costs and it's that business plan that postal workers have overwhelmingly rejected today.
"There's still an opportunity to reach an agreement before any national strike action takes place.
"We need a national agreement which secures a fair deal on modernisation and reward for the efforts of postal workers in transforming the business. We want reassurances on job security, covering both redundancies and full-time part-time ratios.
"Crucial to an agreement is fair workloads with agreed standards of measurement. Constantly disciplining postal workers will not improve efficiencies but will drive an ever bigger wedge between workers and what they are told is modernisation.
"We've seen cuts and increased workloads and now we need an agreed roll-out of real modernisation. Aligning the interests of customers, employees and the company as a whole is a pre-requisite for the successful modernisation of Royal Mail.
"The Government must act now to resolve the pensions deficit which is crippling the Royal Mail's finances and chances to modernise effectively."
Yes Vote Shows Royal Mail is Failing
8th October 2009
The Communication Workers Union today (Thursday) can report a yes vote in the national ballot for strike action in Royal Mail. Postal workers voted by 76 per cent in favour of strike action.
Dave Ward, CWU deputy general secretary, said: "This is a huge vote of no confidence in Royal Mail management. The company has tried to make out that problems only exist in some local offices, but postal workers across the UK have now spoken and they say no to Royal Mail's arrogance.
"Royal Mail has never really been engaged in modernisation. They've been running down the business, running down services and cutting costs and it's that business plan that postal workers have overwhelmingly rejected today.
"There's still an opportunity to reach an agreement before any national strike action takes place.
"We need a national agreement which secures a fair deal on modernisation and reward for the efforts of postal workers in transforming the business. We want reassurances on job security, covering both redundancies and full-time part-time ratios.
"Crucial to an agreement is fair workloads with agreed standards of measurement. Constantly disciplining postal workers will not improve efficiencies but will drive an ever bigger wedge between workers and what they are told is modernisation.
"We've seen cuts and increased workloads and now we need an agreed roll-out of real modernisation. Aligning the interests of customers, employees and the company as a whole is a pre-requisite for the successful modernisation of Royal Mail.
"The Government must act now to resolve the pensions deficit which is crippling the Royal Mail's finances and chances to modernise effectively."
22-10-2009, 06:19 PM
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our postie is a lazy tw@t always walks across me grass instead of the path,you don't get a fookin tip off me at chrimbo when everytime i look at the worn path on me grass i think of pat.
our postie uses his own car to deliver the mail,a clapped out l reg astra mind you its in better condition than the shite vans royal mail use,why do they get abused ???
they are known to be worse than builders vans and royal mail must lose fortunes because Pat can't drive without walloping summat.
our postie uses his own car to deliver the mail,a clapped out l reg astra mind you its in better condition than the shite vans royal mail use,why do they get abused ???
they are known to be worse than builders vans and royal mail must lose fortunes because Pat can't drive without walloping summat.