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Old 19-10-2009 | 01:14 PM
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Just heard a mechanic (alleged) has been caught giving out MOT's without seeing the car this person has been caught doing 29 of these and worked for a main dealer I cant say anymore due to it going to crown court so Ive heard.

My question is what can happen to the mechanic now in court Ive heard he has already been sacked from his job and struck off as a MOT tester which is what you would expect.

What about the people who had one of these MOT certificates off him as they should have to get there car re tested you would think as it shouldn't be hard to trace them

Whats your views on this?
Old 19-10-2009 | 01:16 PM
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Dangerous ans god knows what faults the cars could have had
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not the first and certainly not the last
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IMHO Nothing will happen to other people who have an MOT from him, as the DVLA wont know which ones are real or not, and cant possibly insist on a retest of all cars as it wouldnt be fair on the owners who bought an MOT in good faith from him and did present that car.
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Wrong pal,

Read the MOT "just because the has MOT does not make it road worthy".

Or it used to say that i aint sure along them line's anyway i am sure

Sorry if i am wrong!

Having an MOT is better than not having one generally, think of all the faults that would fail an MOT that can make the car dangerous, like totally fucked balljoints for example.

MOT's arent a guarentee a car is safe, but they are a bloody good indication it is.
Old 19-10-2009 | 01:32 PM
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Does anybody have the guy's details,i could do with a few
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IMHO Nothing will happen to other people who have an MOT from him, as the DVLA wont know which ones are real or not, and cant possibly insist on a retest of all cars as it wouldnt be fair on the owners who bought an MOT in good faith from him and did present that car.
Could they not cross reference with what cars where booked in the workshop and the ones that wernt booked in or is it just easier to just forget about them and just prosecute the mechanic
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Could they not cross reference with what cars where booked in the workshop and the ones that wernt booked in or is it just easier to just forget about them and just prosecute the mechanic
Didnt realise the cars werent booked in either, I assumed the mechanic had the sense to at least make sure the paper trail looked right, clearly I gave him too much credit.

Yes then, possibly they might be able to look into it, I still doubt they will though, as its too much hassle for too little gain for them and they cant rule at a later date if an MOT was valid or not, so the most they could do really is request a retest for those cars I suppose, but I dont think there is a rule that allows them to even do that.

I wouldnt worry personally, you can easily claim to have acted in good faith IMHO (assuming you have such a car!)

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I had an MOT on a car I owned that didnt move for two years The MOT had been and gone and the car still hadnt moved

I broke it in the end as it was rotten as hell

PS> no i cannot get any more lol
Old 19-10-2009 | 02:57 PM
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Indeed, the MOT only guarantees a road worthy state during the time it is having the test. Obviously you could be given a genuine cert, then change a part outside the premises, then making it fail an MOT.
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people have been doing this sort of thing for years up until they were put on the data base.i use to know lads that use to wash there old mot and rewrite them out for another 6 months to sell there cars on when mots were written in pen as no one would have checked anyway plus if u had to produce your docs at police station even they didnt notice
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If you need a dodgy mot there more than likely the car will have porbs,as lets be honest out mots are not too strict
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Originally Posted by Less.
If you need a dodgy mot there more than likely the car will have porbs,as lets be honest out mots are not too strict
I know quite a few people who have dodgy MOT's in ALL the cases I know of the cars are perfectly safe but just fail on emissions.

So kind of depends on why you need a dodgy MOT in the first place really.
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lets face it who doesnt know someone that works for an mot station that will let it go on a few things only minor things i mean as its more than there jobs worth as dvla checks every were now how many bikers are driving round with race cans on your not telling me they all change them before an mot

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I know of quite a few mot places that accidently stuck the emissions tester in the wrong car!
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Yep your right say lettinga de catted car or emissions etc we all know goes on,but that a bit different to not seeing the car
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Originally Posted by Madbradz
I know of quite a few mot places that accidently stuck the emissions tester in the wrong car!


lolk

As chip said, its mainly due to high emmissions on older cars that they get "dodgy" MOTs
Old 19-10-2009 | 05:05 PM
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its the testers own stupid fault, you ca earn good money as a tester, greed has cost him thousands a year
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i assume your car has a hooky MOT then? You're rather nervous about it
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Originally Posted by Chip
I know quite a few people who have dodgy MOT's in ALL the cases I know of the cars are perfectly safe but just fail on emissions.

So kind of depends on why you need a dodgy MOT in the first place really.
Agreed. Although "emissions" is a legal requirement its hardly a safety consideration as long as you arent pouring out clouds of black smoke

Although im sure the gay eco-freaks will call global warming a safety consideration

Although its technically illegal, i dont see a problem getting round emissions laws if the car is safe.
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Originally Posted by Chip
Didnt realise the cars werent booked in either, I assumed the mechanic had the sense to at least make sure the paper trail looked right, clearly I gave him too much credit.

Yes then, possibly they might be able to look into it, I still doubt they will though, as its too much hassle for too little gain for them and they cant rule at a later date if an MOT was valid or not, so the most they could do really is request a retest for those cars I suppose, but I dont think there is a rule that allows them to even do that.

I wouldnt worry personally, you can easily claim to have acted in good faith IMHO (assuming you have such a car!)
He may have pretended to book the cars in as Im not sure on that tbh just with it being a main dealer thought other people may have noticed the lack of cars he was MOT'ing in the garage maybe

Originally Posted by Lambchop
i assume your car has a hooky MOT then? You're rather nervous about it
Nope as my MOT is legit and always have been just curious as I know of the mechanic and wondered what could happen to him or the peoples cars he didnt really MOT
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easy to get an mot when the car as chip says will fail on emissions etc.just need to know the right people.
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Originally Posted by Lambchop
i assume your car has a hooky MOT then? You're rather nervous about it
lol, thats what I was thinkin!!
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i worked in a garage where this happened the tester/owner of the garage was struck off and the garage lost its licence,the owner then renamed the garage and got his mate to go on a course to become tester which he passed then put all the mot stuff in his name,and got vosa to come down and retest his mate and to open the mot side of things again i think this took about 6 months in all lol
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theres a garage not too far, infact theres at least 3 i know *used* to give em out willy nilly, ones shut down due to this, apparently got caught testing the light height with a broomstick and black ink lines also not bothering to check the cars underneath.

One of the others, the fella died and so did the MOT certs. (£10 each at the time, back in the late 80's)
The other went cosher and do the full MOT now a days as he does infact earn good money from the customers, who infact trust him

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Nothing will happen, even if they know the cars that shouldn't have passed.
A MOT certificate cannot be withdrawn, I found this out personally.
I bought a d reg sierra auto, when checking it over/servicing a bit closer the day after I found 7 major fail points, 5 of them structural.
I gave the garage the option of correcting at their cost the rust, but they told me to do one.
I informed Jean Paul from the MOT inspectorate in Norwich Norfolk, long story short car inspected agreed it should have failed, badly, tester called to do 30 mile journey to view the car at the garage where it was on the ramps, not happy he attended, got his bollocking.
I then questioned the validity of the MOT certificate in light of this, he said and I quote.
"the certificate has been issued, it cannot be withdrawn, you can use it till the next mot"
I questioned what if stopped by plod, he said "nothing to do with them, it's not unroadworthy or dangerous".
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Originally Posted by tabetha
Nothing will happen, even if they know the cars that shouldn't have passed.
A MOT certificate cannot be withdrawn, I found this out personally.
I bought a d reg sierra auto, when checking it over/servicing a bit closer the day after I found 7 major fail points, 5 of them structural.
I gave the garage the option of correcting at their cost the rust, but they told me to do one.
I informed Jean Paul from the MOT inspectorate in Norwich Norfolk, long story short car inspected agreed it should have failed, badly, tester called to do 30 mile journey to view the car at the garage where it was on the ramps, not happy he attended, got his bollocking.
I then questioned the validity of the MOT certificate in light of this, he said and I quote.
"the certificate has been issued, it cannot be withdrawn, you can use it till the next mot"
I questioned what if stopped by plod, he said "nothing to do with them, it's not unroadworthy or dangerous".
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Tabetha you are yet again wrong. an MOT can be instantly withdrawn/over-riddden with a PG9 Prohibition notice.
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nothing will happen to the owners of the car!the tester how ever could well be facing a prison sentence!!!

And it is quite possiable to pass a car for a mot the owner to drive off site and get a pull and get some points
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i'm an ex MOT inspector and still know people who will write an MOT for a vehicle that isn't used or moved since last MOT.

Considering some cars do less that 50 miles a year i can't see a problem with it, my wifes hasn't moved for 4 years but has a new mot every year.

And something to think about a new car doesn't need an MOT for 3 years potentially racking up between 30 and 60k depending on who uses it, SCARY.

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PS an MOT isn't worth the paper it's written on, only valid for the time it is inspected, as soon as it leaves the station anything could happen. Only a requiremet for the law. Once had a car in passed MOT went down the road and blew master cylinder. But fullfilled the requirements in the process of being MOT'd.
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Originally Posted by nugnah
And something to think about a new car doesn't need an MOT for 3 years potentially racking up between 30 and 60k depending on who uses it, SCARY.

quite so!
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Originally Posted by PhilCook


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As chip said, its mainly due to high emmissions on older cars that they get "dodgy" MOTs
but if its pre cat thats gotta be some serious emmissions tho, old cars is summet liek 3.5 aint it, jeez my cat'd escort did a 0.1 and had to be below 0.3 i think to pass
my 40's need half a turn to get em thru easy
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Originally Posted by D19 STE
I cant say anymore due to it going to crown court so Ive heard
crown court for this offence, you cant be serious? so thats over a year in jail, tad harsh imho
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Dvla dont req immisions details!!!!!!!
Not recorded with the dvla and not req'd to give them either.
Get real!!! You/we all like to pass one way or another--
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Originally Posted by LUCKO
crown court for this offence, you cant be serious? so thats over a year in jail, tad harsh imho
Thats what Ive been told by another mechanic that knows the guy, Ive not heard any more at the moment
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I had a dodgy MOT on a vehicle a few years ago, I knew it wouldnt pass on a few things but they were all more or less minor bits. But, I did trailer the vehicle there so it could be checked to make sure it was safe, I got a handwritten defect sheet so I knew exactly what was wrong with the car so I could rectify it later.

The reasoning behind getting one was that I was unemployed at the time and the car was still taxed and insured but had ran out of MOT - I had a job coming up but needed a vehicle to get me there hence why I got one, I did have the vehicle repaired on my 1st payday and taken back to the MOT centre for a clean bill of health afterwards.

There are those that will get bent MOTs for anything thats below scrap quality but there can be some genuine reasons behind getting them, such has what some people have already mentioned ie emissions, decats, etc etc

Jut my 2p's worth anyway.....
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