The Youth.

iTrader: (1)

quote from him after qualifying

Alonso, who qualified in 12th, told Spanish television after qualifying that he was expecting to gain a few places due to penalties.
"I'm sure tomorrow I'll start a lot higher than 12th," he said.

final grid postions.........

1. Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2. Trulli Toyota
3. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
4. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber
5. Raikkonen Ferrari
6. Rosberg Williams-Toyota
7. Kubica BMW-Sauber
8. Sutil Force India-Mercedes *
9. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes *
10. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari
11. Button Brawn-Mercedes *
12. Fisichella Ferrari
13. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes **
14. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari *
15. Nakajima Williams-Toyota
16. Grosjean Renault
17. Alonso Renault *
18. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes **
19. Glock Toyota ***
20. Webber Red Bull-Renault ***

* Five-place grid penalty
** Five-place grid penalty for changing gearbox
*** Will use new chassis so will start from the pitlane





steve

fordrallycar

iTrader: (4)

What the f**k happened there

rst in breaking

iTrader: (2)

come on Hamilton (out come all the haters lol)

fraser9764

iTrader: (3)

tbh i think its kinda crap they have been given a 5 place penalty for not slowing down under yellows, i know its a safety thing but it was the only flying lap of the session coz of red flags. IMO under those circumstances qualifying should have been extended to allow anyone who hadn't completed a flying lap to do so.

TimC

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Have the weights of the cars been published yet? I wouldnt mind seeing true pace

johnny99

Qually weights.

1. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 658.5
2. Trulli Toyota 655.5
3. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 656.0
4. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 650.0
5. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 660.5
6. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber 660.0
7. Button Brawn-Mercedes 658.5
8. Raikkonen Ferrari 661.0
9. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 675.0
10. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 665.4*
11. Rosberg Williams-Toyota 684.5*
12. Alonso Renault 689.5*
13. Kubica BMW-Sauber 686.0*
14. Glock Toyota -
15. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 682.5*
16. Fisichella Ferrari 661.5*
17. Nakajima Williams-Toyota 695.7*
18. Grosjean Renault 691.8*
19. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 682.5*
20. Webber Red Bull-Renault -

* declared weight

John

fraser9764

iTrader: (3)

looking good for barrichello then rather than button

righthooker

thats stupid, it was the only lap they had, what should they have done . Parked up in the section till the yellows stopped lol

johnny99

What really stupid is that they didn't have a lap in the bag before, and really stupid that some professional and experienced drivers didn't lift when they seen a yellow, and debris strewn all over the track. They are lucky to get away so lightly,

John

righthooker

by the book even lifting would have given them there fastes time in that section! Therefor breaking the rules.

johnny99

They should have lifted, full stop. If they had lifted, there would be no penalty. Whether they had a fast lap in the bag or not is of no concequence, that's their problem. Suppose some debris that got picked up by a tyre, and hit another driver, or marshall, how would have been then, the rule is there for safety, not to piss of teams or drivers. dangerous things happen when parts fly off cars at 150 mph, remember the Massa incident,

John

righthooker

under yellow flags , you cannot post a better time in that section, but that was the "only time" they went through, so lifting ??hoe would that help??

johnny99

Thats there problem then. What are you saying, they don't have to lift it it's their only lap ?

John

righthooker

i am saying it would have made no differance to the penaltys given , they would have got them any how. For posting a fastest sector time under yellows

Jim Galbally

yellow flags are there for a reason. lap times or no lap times, safety comes first!

ignoring drivers that ignore basic safety instructions is simple impossible, so he got away lightly!

johnny99

No, but I see where your coming from. If they had lifted, they would not have recieved a penalty, but would have lost the lap. It's the commentators that have incorrectly described the rule, they can check if they lifted by the sound recording, then a team can appeal the discission using telemetry. They were lucky to get away with losing 5 grid positions. They did not, but should have a banker lap done, run earlier in the session to save tyres for the race on Sunday, as Suzuka is hard on tyres

John

Jim Galbally

you guys are focusing too much on the competition element. a yellow flag exists for SAFETY it's not to penalise somebody, and tactics should never come into play around it.

johnny99

I beg your pardon, I did say it was a safety issue, Post # 11


John

Fast Guy

What was really stupid was that the team let the Brawns sit in the garage until they could only do one flying lap. I was saying at the time if anything goes wrong on that lap, they're stuffed. It did and they were.

They should have gone out 90secs earlier and done 2 flyers just in case.