cossie*mad!

Looking for a new sideways car and taking the ford blinkers off....the 2.0l turbo r32's are cheap and i like them - how well do they go?, how reliable / tunable are they? they seem to be underatted, but at the end of the day they are still the same displacement as a cossie...

anyone own / experienced one?

Christian and Beccy

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It's still a Skyline and still a 6 cylinder engine, it's going to hurt if it breaks.

Also, the 2.0 Skylines are far rarer, hence bits are harder to get.

Can you not afford to get into an R33 GTS-T? OK, so its still as I said above, but at least there are a few more of those.

dom123

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my mate had one he spun 3 sets of shells in a year and a half now got rid off it. and now hes got a rb26 now and it been solid!!

Christian and Beccy

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The RB26 is a classic for spinning shells too......

Saaamon

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If your after a sideways car why not a 200, there around the same price?

jamieRST

why not a s13 with a rb conversion it would outperform the 2wd skyline everytime,and aremore of a rarer sight on the road.i dont like r33s,they look shit,the gayest one out of all of em,id have the s13,my mate has a 450bhp rb20 in his s13 and its sick,a twin turbod supra from a local tuner couldnt keep up with him.

scoooby slayer

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i dont know why people make out there sooo expensive to rebuild ?????

there very similar in cost for parts to a cossie. and much more power is achievable with alot less modification.

T3ORA

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my mates got one,a ex drift car,just under 400 horses,all he does in it is track day's,he drives it like he stole it all the time
hes drove to spa and back for 2 days of track day's
it had one turbo on it and about 3 gearbox's in it,they am only the weak thing on it,
i try and find a pic of it

dom123

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mate have you seen the price of a oil pump for a rb26 about Ł700 i think!! they are a fantastic engines but pricewise they dont compare to a cossie, injectors kits are like Ł450 the extra cylinders do start adding up. Ł70 stem seals...

m4tt274

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were not on about an rb26
a good freind if mine has an r33 Gts-t and that was a drift car in japan. it has a locked diff and HKS suspension and its ... abit scary haha.
but as for the engine its an rb25 with forged rods and pistons and the works cost him 3grand to build its got 475bhp and hes done 30,000 miles since his build and it still runs perfect.
the RB 20 as far as i know is just a sleeved 25 :S

m4tt274

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i found a pic of it

pollocks

i thnk he realises mate as he owns a skyline gtr that he bought with a dodgy engine for cheap and rebuilt it

matt_jagger

I've oned one!!

It was a great car!! really good fun, fast, reliable, and tunable to the chinimum man.

Only downsides were, petrol, because I toweled it everywhere, it's a big old bus!! with a fat ass, and some snappy action if you get that ass out, get ready to blurr that steering wheel in a micro second!! and the insurance. Plus, it didn't look too great without some kind of bodykit, looked like a big rover 200 or something lol.

And it wasn't a ford!! driving it made me feel strange. Like when you dropped the butties your mum made you at school lol.

Get a cossie, you'll never regret it.

Ebonycossie4x4

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Sorry mate they are just not the same price to rebuild. I wish they was.

scoooby slayer

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mine is being built now and i already know the cost.

as ive said very similar to a cossie.

drive in drive out

engine out, rebuild and back in labour Ł2000
brank new crank Ł700
wiseco pistons/bored out, rings, big ends ,mains and little ends Ł1000
trust sump extension and baffle welded on Ł400
uprated rod bolts, all gaskets and seals oil etc Ł500
live map Ł300
and fuel for him to run it in id guess Ł300

head has been checked and all a1 has as new cams and jun oil pump is as new.

turbos are 5k miles gt28s

if the fuel pump is up to it it will make 600 bhp.

around Ł5200 pro built. Ł6000 tops if anything else is needed.

now how much would you get at say mad or nms for the same money in a cossie ? a 600 bhp cossie engine would cost a fortune and be a time bomb so as said there not expensive imo.

scoooby slayer

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only the big boy pumps are Ł700. standard and n1s are Ł250.

look at it this way a 600 bhp skyline engine pro built will be cheaper than a 600 hp cossie engine pro built.

matt_jagger

I think thats a really good point, you will get more BHP per Ł with the skyline, but it's all down to prefrence isn't it. If you love a certain car you don't care how much you spend on it.

I guess you could buy an old school ford, plop in a huuuooooogggggeee V8 and tune the testicles off it for not a lot, but if thats not your thing, then whats the point.

Either way, it's a high powered car, will be fun, will be expensive, and you can always sell it if you get bored.

900ss

Personally I would go for a 240 - 260z with an RB conversion

m4tt274

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thats pretty much my point. ive had both skylines and cossys and i can say for both that they are ace cars but neither are cheap. skyline gets u more bang for ur Ł

TurboShed

Cossies ARE cheap, that's why I've got one! Ok, I'll qualify that: they're cheap FAST cars.

scoooby slayer

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there not cheap when your talking of 600 bhp.

TurboShed

Well perhaps not, but they ARE cheap fast cars bought by people who want a cheap fast car.

scoooby slayer

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i agree mate at 300 bhp tune theres nothing more fun and cheap/easy to maintain.

but they get ridiculous 500 + bhp.

dom123

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you will pay the value of the skyline just in fuel in no time they are terrible my best mate has a rb26 its a joke on fuel, cossie can be very good off boost.

i do like the way the rb26 drives tho

TurboShed

Yes you're right. But that 6 pot engine will get expensive at 800bhp no doubt.

scoooby slayer

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ive heard there pretty terrible

tweenies mapping mine so it will be as good as it can be, are they capable of around 18 - 20 mpg cruising ? i havnt driven mine enough to know yet

TurboShed

Cossies are cheap on fuel partly because they are Fords and as such built light and without too many toys, or any wasteful safety gear But that's what they are about, if I wanted a big comfy fast car, I'd buy a BMW, unfortunately I can't afford a car that's both fast AND comfy so I've got a Cossie

TurboShed

I suppose the fair comparison, if we are talking MPG is a 600bhp Skyline vs a 600bhp Cossie. What kind of mpg do these get on the motorway I wonder?

scoooby slayer

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oh yes mate very

all things into consideration though there the best i could find.

1430 kgs.
easy 600 bhp.
4wd/2wd your choice at the flick of a switch

downside is insurance is rank tbh

its all down to the bang per Ł for me now no more blinkers lol

m4tt274

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tbh, i used to thing my skyline was alright on fuel, cossy is ok aswel. got/get about 20mpg.
its the RX7s and the Evos that drink. my god they are terrible
i get 80miles to a tank in RX worked out its like 4mpg

dom123

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my mate gets 12-14mpg with 550cc injectors.. as for the 2wd and 4x4 i'm not sure the 4x4 rear diff is that strong for 2wd abuse..

i'm sorry mate but i cant believe you broke that amazing saph for a skyline!! the saph may have more torque!!

scoooby slayer

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im on 660ccs

skyline has more torque mate, the cos was a high revving max bhp set up to maximise power from standard port head. she was only peak 342 lb/ft but was still holding over 300 lb/ft past 7000 rpm. so was relentless power 5300 rpm to 7800 rpm.

she is missed alot pal

but more power was gonna be too much ŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁŁ

as they say theres no replacement for displacement (not sure if i got that right) lol but you know what i mean

dom123

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i know what you mean mate about saphs i had a simialar problem where the engine needed about 3k spending on it to get it over 400bhp so i sold it as i'd all ready spent 9k on the car and i didnt want to put anymore than that into a taxi!! so i bought my escos and made sure it had valve cut pistons and a ported head!!!


i do like the skylines and i know lots about them as i spend atleast 2 hours a week burning about with my mate i love the way they rev like a r1!! my friends is 447bhp rwd and my cossie also rwd will be about that once its maped so we will be having a show down!!! i do think tho the rb26 engine isnt for a diy mechanic!! that why i love the yb engine!!

scoooby slayer

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i was gonna rebuild mine til i looked at it and thought about it. car was cheap enough so ive let the profesionals do it.
gonna owe me 10k done which i think is good with a new pro built 600 bhp engine.

be interesting to know the results of your show down mate

dom123

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heres my mate arsing about he's very well known for his car abuse!! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRELrmuxiI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6q0fajmjnY

nugnah

alot of talk between cossie vs skyline, i can only speak from my own experience, my cousin has a R33 GTS tuned to 350bhp and I have just cut up my 380bhp cossie, i use to leave my car for 6 months then take it out drive it like it was stolen and park it back up and would do this without any probs, my cousin every time he left his car for a short time it would need something doing to get it to run right and it was setup by Hyline in Cardiff.

Maybe just a coincidence but mmmmmmmm

Jason

rs combi

my mate has a r 32 running about 630 bhp its fucking brutal
not the cheapest to build because the first time it was set up by a "profesional" tuner and it melted 3 pistons but it only went on to a bigger and better setup

dom123

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i spoke to my mate about the 4x4 rear diff it is strong with a kaaz two way centre

alanfordtw-15

that would be a very bad move to not buy the uprated pump. the whole reason rb26s have a bad rep for spinning the bottom end is because the square section shaft on the standard crank driven oil pump shears. the uprated nismo pump has a heavier shaft and you have to get the end of the crank machined to fit it. its false economy not to do this mod during a rebuild.

scoooby slayer

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the end of the early crank doesnt have a big enough drive area for oil pump. so later crank is needed or thicker flange fitted on.
ive heard alot of people say they run standard and n1 pumps without problems but my tuner advised jun or greedy.

the pump doesnt shear and it doesnt have a shaft, the pump has a hexagon hole in it for the crank to fit in and drive it. no mod is needed to fit a n1 pump but the drive area on the crank is only 4mm thick on early cranks whereas later cranks have a 20mm thick drive collar.

but the crank is much more of a problem than the oil pump. its revs that kill them.

crank difference :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONhuAoKE1ao