Beware Broadspeed capri !!!!! NOT
21-09-2009, 12:36 PM
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Beware Broadspeed capri !!!!! NOT
Beware of this so called Broadspeed capri !
Many years ago I bought and was restoring this Broadspeed capri, when I stripped the shell it was almost beyond repair a real ROT BOX.
As I could not afford to pay for the repairs or do it myself, I eventually decided to sell the car for spares. A guy called Gwyne from the capri enthusiasts register had been pestering me for years to buy the car, as he wanted to restore it ! he came down and bought the car, but only took the engine and box and all my new panels I had found for the repairs. He told me he was coming back for the shell later, he also took the registration certificate !!!!
Well, he never came back ! After phone calls he told me he did not want the shell and I was to scrap it, which made me very angry.
I still have the complete rolling shell at my cousins farm in shropshire.
Can this person legally sell this as a original Broadspeed, when the only original part is the registration number ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-CAPRI-BRO...d=p3286.c0.m14
Many years ago I bought and was restoring this Broadspeed capri, when I stripped the shell it was almost beyond repair a real ROT BOX.
As I could not afford to pay for the repairs or do it myself, I eventually decided to sell the car for spares. A guy called Gwyne from the capri enthusiasts register had been pestering me for years to buy the car, as he wanted to restore it ! he came down and bought the car, but only took the engine and box and all my new panels I had found for the repairs. He told me he was coming back for the shell later, he also took the registration certificate !!!!
Well, he never came back ! After phone calls he told me he did not want the shell and I was to scrap it, which made me very angry.
I still have the complete rolling shell at my cousins farm in shropshire.
Can this person legally sell this as a original Broadspeed, when the only original part is the registration number ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-CAPRI-BRO...d=p3286.c0.m14
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21-09-2009, 01:40 PM
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Well the car is clearly a ringer and you should be contacting both the police and DVLA immediatly so some poor bugger don't get ripped off! I think you will get taken very seriously and I think the person that has performed the intial deception will be in deep shit!
The only way this could be even remotely legal would be if the car was re-shelled using a brand new receipted shell which was checked by the DVLA afterwards. I doubt very much that has happened...!
The only way this could be even remotely legal would be if the car was re-shelled using a brand new receipted shell which was checked by the DVLA afterwards. I doubt very much that has happened...!
21-09-2009, 01:49 PM
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i'd say gwyn from the capri bollocks club knew exactly what he was doing if you ask me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you let him take the wheat and leave you the chaff to keep hold of until he come back for it,now anyone who knows cars will reshell a car if its shell is bollocksed rather than repair it and spend more money restoring it than building the car into a good shell,unfortunately this could now bite gwyn on the bollocks as he has reshelled the car and possibly not told the new owner and lets face it reshelling a historicly important old ford is somthing that can affect the value so he should of collected the shell off you and cracked on he repaired it all, now you would be saying how good a job he has done rescuing the car,if your capri has id on the shell like a stamp somewhere or you have pics that prove what you have is the original ralph broadspeed capri some one some where isn't going to be pleased with old gwyn
you let him take the wheat and leave you the chaff to keep hold of until he come back for it,now anyone who knows cars will reshell a car if its shell is bollocksed rather than repair it and spend more money restoring it than building the car into a good shell,unfortunately this could now bite gwyn on the bollocks as he has reshelled the car and possibly not told the new owner and lets face it reshelling a historicly important old ford is somthing that can affect the value so he should of collected the shell off you and cracked on he repaired it all, now you would be saying how good a job he has done rescuing the car,if your capri has id on the shell like a stamp somewhere or you have pics that prove what you have is the original ralph broadspeed capri some one some where isn't going to be pleased with old gwyn
21-09-2009, 01:53 PM
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/\ my thoughts too, although I'm not sure they stamped the shells in those days, think it was just the riveted on VIN plate. I've swapped ID's on old Mini's in the past as they were not stamped.
21-09-2009, 01:57 PM
#17
ello s1 matey ^^
to be honest its fookin rife all this swappin vin tags bollocks,i know old boys who will happily tell you the shennanigans they get up to with the old uns.
like buying a old ford to remove a live valuable cherished plate off a scrapper,it takes 10 mins to swap plates over and run in for a mot,then swap it all back and your in buisness.
i used to hear it all the time with mk1 and 2 escorts,its legal ringing until someone finds out and can prove your shadddddy.
anyway matey are you still into the ol' bmx's ?????????
cheeRS.
to be honest its fookin rife all this swappin vin tags bollocks,i know old boys who will happily tell you the shennanigans they get up to with the old uns.
like buying a old ford to remove a live valuable cherished plate off a scrapper,it takes 10 mins to swap plates over and run in for a mot,then swap it all back and your in buisness.
i used to hear it all the time with mk1 and 2 escorts,its legal ringing until someone finds out and can prove your shadddddy.
anyway matey are you still into the ol' bmx's ?????????
cheeRS.
21-09-2009, 02:07 PM
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i'd say gwyn from the capri bollocks club knew exactly what he was doing if you ask me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you let him take the wheat and leave you the chaff to keep hold of until he come back for it,now anyone who knows cars will reshell a car if its shell is bollocksed rather than repair it and spend more money restoring it than building the car into a good shell,unfortunately this could now bite gwyn on the bollocks as he has reshelled the car and possibly not told the new owner and lets face it reshelling a historicly important old ford is somthing that can affect the value so he should of collected the shell off you and cracked on he repaired it all, now you would be saying how good a job he has done rescuing the car,if your capri has id on the shell like a stamp somewhere or you have pics that prove what you have is the original ralph broadspeed capri some one some where isn't going to be pleased with old gwyn
you let him take the wheat and leave you the chaff to keep hold of until he come back for it,now anyone who knows cars will reshell a car if its shell is bollocksed rather than repair it and spend more money restoring it than building the car into a good shell,unfortunately this could now bite gwyn on the bollocks as he has reshelled the car and possibly not told the new owner and lets face it reshelling a historicly important old ford is somthing that can affect the value so he should of collected the shell off you and cracked on he repaired it all, now you would be saying how good a job he has done rescuing the car,if your capri has id on the shell like a stamp somewhere or you have pics that prove what you have is the original ralph broadspeed capri some one some where isn't going to be pleased with old gwyn
21-09-2009, 02:19 PM
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Got tp laugh at the replies on here ,
Have you any idea how many cossies etc this has happened to , and i bet half if not more mk1 and mk2 escorts have id from another car on them
No big deal IMO as most people buying old fords will either know how to tell a gen shell and or wont care as long as the shell is mint
Iknow in the eyes of the law its wrong , but it isnt ringing , as ringing is when the other car used is stolen etc .
All he has done is reshelled a car , perfectly legal
Have you any idea how many cossies etc this has happened to , and i bet half if not more mk1 and mk2 escorts have id from another car on them
No big deal IMO as most people buying old fords will either know how to tell a gen shell and or wont care as long as the shell is mint
Iknow in the eyes of the law its wrong , but it isnt ringing , as ringing is when the other car used is stolen etc .
All he has done is reshelled a car , perfectly legal
21-09-2009, 02:25 PM
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Got tp laugh at the replies on here ,
Have you any idea how many cossies etc this has happened to , and i bet half if not more mk1 and mk2 escorts have id from another car on them
No big deal IMO as most people buying old fords will either know how to tell a gen shell and or wont care as long as the shell is mint
Iknow in the eyes of the law its wrong , but it isnt ringing , as ringing is when the other car used is stolen etc .
All he has done is reshelled a car , perfectly legal
Have you any idea how many cossies etc this has happened to , and i bet half if not more mk1 and mk2 escorts have id from another car on them
No big deal IMO as most people buying old fords will either know how to tell a gen shell and or wont care as long as the shell is mint
Iknow in the eyes of the law its wrong , but it isnt ringing , as ringing is when the other car used is stolen etc .
All he has done is reshelled a car , perfectly legal
but then that doesn't make it a genuine broadspeed!!
steve
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21-09-2009, 02:27 PM
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Got tp laugh at the replies on here ,
Have you any idea how many cossies etc this has happened to , and i bet half if not more mk1 and mk2 escorts have id from another car on them
No big deal IMO as most people buying old fords will either know how to tell a gen shell and or wont care as long as the shell is mint
Iknow in the eyes of the law its wrong , but it isnt ringing , as ringing is when the other car used is stolen etc .
All he has done is reshelled a car , perfectly legal
Have you any idea how many cossies etc this has happened to , and i bet half if not more mk1 and mk2 escorts have id from another car on them
No big deal IMO as most people buying old fords will either know how to tell a gen shell and or wont care as long as the shell is mint
Iknow in the eyes of the law its wrong , but it isnt ringing , as ringing is when the other car used is stolen etc .
All he has done is reshelled a car , perfectly legal
21-09-2009, 02:35 PM
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Not legal and the idiot should have taken the shell and crushed it in order to have kept his tracks covered...!
21-09-2009, 02:49 PM
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st170 breaking
they would take it stick it in a shed, think about it then crush it!
dont report it to the rozzers, tell the seller tho, just to stir i spose
in teh big sea does it really matter?
very few rs2000 mk2's are actually geunine, ok if it cost a packet theres issue
21-09-2009, 03:07 PM
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if it was a rs1800 mk2 escort i guarantee someone would apply for a v5 (once they bought some of then shnidey ebay vin tags shhh!!!)
then let the dvla sort it all out.
i'm gonna stick my neck out here but i think as focustard still owns the original shell of the broadspeed capri he could possibly try to get the id put back on it, i know of a few ex works rally scorts this has happened to inc one that appeared from fuckin nowhere. the original car was sat in ireland still with uk docs in the last owners name in storage and some fooker has applied for a v5 and built his own car.
naughty naughty applying for logbooks for old cars and hoping no one finds out
then let the dvla sort it all out.
i'm gonna stick my neck out here but i think as focustard still owns the original shell of the broadspeed capri he could possibly try to get the id put back on it, i know of a few ex works rally scorts this has happened to inc one that appeared from fuckin nowhere. the original car was sat in ireland still with uk docs in the last owners name in storage and some fooker has applied for a v5 and built his own car.
naughty naughty applying for logbooks for old cars and hoping no one finds out
21-09-2009, 03:17 PM
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WRONG
if you reshell a car into a brand new shell you do NOT need to inform DVLA ,
We reshelled loads of cars in the bodyshop i used to run and never once told DVLA , a bodyshell is a SERVICE part same as a wing / door etc
As said , as long as he has either used the correct shell , or added the correct parts to make it a broadspeed who realy cares
21-09-2009, 03:19 PM
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Be like using a three door to re-shell an RS500 and keeping the RS500 reg plate on it....you would have to use the three door reg plate...
21-09-2009, 03:23 PM
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The shell only had cosmetic modifications, front number plate and granada fog lights frenched in to valance, and silly rear window louvres.
21-09-2009, 03:23 PM
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a brand new shell has no id (the number is unstamped and blank IIRC) it is as you say a service item, once a shell/car is registered tho it's id cannot change, so you can't use previously registered shell and shell change it like you can a new one.
well you can but whats the worst that can happen, the dvla will just age relate the car, bit like when the dished out q plates willy nilly all those years ago
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well you can but whats the worst that can happen, the dvla will just age relate the car, bit like when the dished out q plates willy nilly all those years ago
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WRONG
if you reshell a car into a brand new shell you do NOT need to inform DVLA ,
We reshelled loads of cars in the bodyshop i used to run and never once told DVLA , a bodyshell is a SERVICE part same as a wing / door etc
As said , as long as he has either used the correct shell , or added the correct parts to make it a broadspeed who realy cares
if you reshell a car into a brand new shell you do NOT need to inform DVLA ,
We reshelled loads of cars in the bodyshop i used to run and never once told DVLA , a bodyshell is a SERVICE part same as a wing / door etc
As said , as long as he has either used the correct shell , or added the correct parts to make it a broadspeed who realy cares
I see what your saying, it probably don't really matter where the shell came from! Probably a few RS500's re-shelled that no one knows about - at the end of the day it's just a chassis number
. Anyone got an RS500 log book they want to sell me ?
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21-09-2009, 03:26 PM
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a brand new shell has no id (the number is unstamped and blank IIRC) it is as you say a service item, once a shell/car is registered tho it's id cannot change, so you can't use previously registered shell and shell change it like you can a new one.
well you can but whats the worst that can happen, the dvla will just age relate the car, bit like when the dished out q plates willy nilly all those years ago
steve
well you can but whats the worst that can happen, the dvla will just age relate the car, bit like when the dished out q plates willy nilly all those years ago
steve
but how would DVLA know you reshelled the car into another used shell ?
they wouldnt , and even if they did with a car as old as this how the hell would they prove it because the old std shell has no ID to prove its the gen shell , and more to the point with a 40 year old car would they care
21-09-2009, 03:27 PM
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When i looked into re-sheeling my 3door into a brand new sheel i was told you must have a recipt from the main dealer and you can not use another shell thats already been registered.
what his done IS illigel and belive me the poilce would be very interested in this. but sadly it would proberbly result in another old skool ford being crushed by the rozzers
what his done IS illigel and belive me the poilce would be very interested in this. but sadly it would proberbly result in another old skool ford being crushed by the rozzers