Mr C

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I wish them the best of luck and hope this project doesnt go the same way as most in the magazine- they drag on, nothing gets done from month to month and you lose interest. If the customer has £50K+ for the project then 200MPH would be great to see but judging by the parts failures and R+D MAD have had and done(quite publically so fair play to them) I would say they will do well to do that on their first engine.

I will follow this build closely and it would be good to see a break down of cost, engine parts, transmissions, fuelling tyres and then labour etc etc
Any change from £60K for a ground up build?

600bhp escos

we rekon we can do the whole build for 50k but like said id like to do this quicker than its taking..danny

Kevin Sharp

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what transmission are you going to use?

Its Dave

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No chance unless the labour is free

l know how many hours l put into YUM and my time is free

600bhp escos

problem is dave you might of done work yourself but you still paid shit loads to people for the parts and engine build etc...were not in this to earn shit loads of the bloke as we want it done...ok i said earlier 30k for the engine but i can do it for alot less...you might of had a few cars but iv probably built more than youve had...i can do it for near nigh 50k!!!

600bhp escos

same as you kev and same as my race car...fit and forget..

Kevin Sharp

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spot on good luck with it

MikeR

Danny, would you be happy to give a break down of were you think the 50k would be spent?

Fair play for attempting to up the ante

Mike

Its Dave

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So your not charging for labour then?

Mark didnt charge for his time in build me the engine and got cost on most items, but im sure you will struggle in the budget of 50k.


Im sure your be happy to give us a break down on what the parts are going to cost ect, l would like to see them also what parts your going to use because it takes a lot of r&d to get it right and with the 50k budget you dont want to be going wrong to many times.

Cheers

Chip

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Dave, dont forget that a lot of parts on your car are there to make it a nice looking car, or to make it handle well on track etc, if this guy is just trying to achieve one narrow objective and nothing else then its a lot cheaper than building a good all round car like yours or rod's (despite the fact people forget this and think of rod's as only a 1 trick pony it isnt one, money has been spent on handling etc too)

MikeR

Chip forgive my ignorance, but has the money spent on Rods car for handling been spent with the intention of keeping the thing stable at those speeds rather than for track work? I would imagine and may be wrong that at those speed you need the car to handle and be stable due to it moving about so much??

Thus this new attempt from x ABC would require the same to be safe also?

Mike

paul simmons

Dave are you a man in the no then. Sounds like you could give us a break down as well ..

P.s does your car ever go on track or is it just a show piece ?

Its Dave

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Yer right!!!

A little loud at the moment

A small run down on some of the big parts

2.5k Leda 3 Way coilovers
1.6K Ap fronts
4k Gearbox Bara
3k Fitit box
2.5 Front Diff
1.3k Rear Diff
1k Rear Beam
1.5k Exhaust
2k Pro Alloy Bits
2.5k Roll Cage
1k Seats
Clutch System 1k
Ranj old engine and management cost ranj 20k
rebuild broken Engine plus new parts 5k
Turbo 750 2nd hand
Aeromotive Parts 1.5k
Wheels& Tyres 1.5k
Dash 650

Now there is no labour in this as it was all done in my time and im sure there will be more cost that l have not listed above

joffy

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2 gearboxes?? or is that a casing and the gear kit??

timrud

Plus Dave something that takes you 2 hours to do will probably only take these guys 30 mins etc...

Its Dave

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R&D, the fixit lasted 5mins on mapping

alistairolsen

I reckon its do-able for the 50k figure, altho you wont be making too many mistakes, or r+d into turbo choices etc.

Its Dave

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No l am a trained mechanic thanks just dont do it as my day job as it dont pay enough

Chip

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Its been spent for both reasons mate, Im not sure that things like the adrenalin connector bars for example are of any value on a top speed run, but they are great coming off a roundabout.

MikeR

So is it fair to say that this car would need to spend some money on handling for safety? just maybe not as much as Rodney?

Dave when are you going for a top speed run?

Mike

Its Dave

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Just waiting on Fast Ford, wont be long now im sure

Chip

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Sadly the only want to know what it NEEDs to spend for safety, is when you spend a quid less and find out the hard way.

But yes IMHO you could cut some corners with Rod's car and still do 200mph

Mind you at one point in this thread 215mph was mentioned and personally for that I would want a REALLY thorough cage etc, but what you want and what you need arent the same thing of course

Rod-Tarry

Than what Martin, the best is the Escort with the wing removed, then the Saff then 3dr, then RS500.

Its about 15/20bhp less required to reach 200mph.

Daves 178.5 with 440bhp & your 194 with 620bhp are the most efficient Cossie runs ive recorded for Speed/horsepower. . My 183.2 with 490bhp is my most efficient but a bit off the Escort.

This is a thread about a company prepared to put their car/reputation on the line & comments about me by my pet stalkers (bless them) are not really required so lets try to avoid them. These people knows what the goal is & that i will try with everything i have to stop them achieving it, its called competition .

Is it likely I will see this attempt before I quit, whats the time scale & if possible i would like to be there, can then shake your hand if you manage it & if its after September 2010, be assured their will be no attempt to get it back.

Rod-Tarry

Yes 215 is on a completely different planet & ive been asked about improving the aerodynamics on mine with different undertray & other bits tacked on but i admit im scared, what we have done so far had the wheels still pointing down at 210mph, BUT, that aint 215 or even close.
215 is the barrier that scares me dont know why but it does, Ive convinced myself its not obtainable, we have the Power, but maybe not an owner who will risk using all the Power we have.
Thats why i want others to venture out & try it first then I will know how much Power im prepared to use.
This aint a picnic lads its bl**dy scary having to try to reach unknown speeds in a 20 year old Saff, think about it.

joffy

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ive got massive respect for anyone who even attemts doing this, people are always on here spouting 'ive done this speed on the road' but when you listen to the people who have actually done it they all say the same thing, it aint easy and it is scary, i do admit sometimes i find rod a bit arrogant but i then if i had the fastest cossie on here then id be tellin EVERYONE so fair play to him, i do think if i was gonna spend 50k on an engine though id spend at least the same on a fook off big roll cage and titanium shell to keep me safe

Ollie.

Why does it scare you? Surely it doesnt matter if you crash at 170 or 215 the end result is the same?

joffy

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doesnt scare me, never been faster than 160, i think the chance of something going wrong are higher the faster you go, if i had to crash i sure as hell would rather crash at 170 than 215

Mk1-stu

yeah at those kinda speeds, your gonna be fucked up big time - unless by some form of miracle you just spin out and dont hit anything, which means you'll just need some new trousers / drivers seat and maybe a magic tree

Chip

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Typically a crash doesnt happen at the speed that the incident starts at, the higher the speed the more energy involved.

IIRC from GCSE Physics, KE = 0.5 MV^2

So at 215 you have nearly double the energy that you do at 170


Either way its going to be an unpleasant experience if something goes wrong, but I would imagine you are many many more times to survice an incident that starts at 170 than at 215

vroomtshh

I'd think crashing at 215 compared to 170 is a big difference. Smaller pieces to sweep up at 215

Stu @ M Developments

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Because the chances of doing so at 215 in the confines of brunters are maybe 15x more than the chances of doing so at 170.

Mk1-stu

not necessarily

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Video-Dari...atch-Blog-3641

the vid doesn't work..

Chip

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LOL

Another good point, SO much more likely to go wrong in the first place at that speed.


As an example of why the speeds are so dangerous, if Martins tyre that blew out at 180mph had held on for just another 10 seconds or so, he would no longer have his car IMHO as he simply couldnt have got rid of the speed in the space that would have been left for him by then

joffy

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also the speed at which your braking distance is decreasing (or the speed your running out of road) is massively quicker, its all well and good saying im not scared about doing 215 ive done 170 but if thats the case then maybe your not the right person to be driving the car,

all my opinion by the way

Chip

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I think the highway code stopping distance for 215mph if they did one would probably be about a mile

Thinking distance alone at that speed is about 70 yards!

dojj

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using the official meathods to calculate slowing down as used by the highway code

@215 mph you would need the following:
215 feet thinking distance
2311.25 feet stopping distance
total distance = 2526.25 feet

or 995 metres

so it's a long way

and don't forget that @ 215 mph you are covering 95.78 m/s

Ollie.

I realise that stu but my point, which i wasnt very clear in portraying, was that either way hes fucked if it goes wrong.

Stu @ M Developments

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Agreed, but then I would be nervous about crossing the M25 on foot in rush hour, but not at all if doing so 4am. I guess this is the same thing. His mind is geared towards the elevated risk when doing this at such a greater speed.

Chip

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Other way around mate, at 4am the M25 is a busy road by normal standards with loads of people doing 80mph+ where as in rush hour if you were walking you would be the fastest thing on it

Stu @ M Developments

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A valid

I was going to use the M6 too.