the answer is "no"

and the reason is "because there are no holes in the back of the block to use to attach any sort of engine mount to"

and the other reason is "because i've tried already"

nwo that's out the way, the focus is a fully functioning road car that's fast
the megane is a stripped out specific track slag so that's like comparing jeremey to usain

 

if ford was to build a light weight version with sticky r888 tyres we all know it would piss the r26r

 

As far as I can remember (I'm only 20 so won't remember back as much as others) none of the RS cars produced from oh I don't know mid-late 80s have ever been stripped out track specials All have been with a proper full interior. 3dr was, Escos was, Fez and Escort RSTs were, MK1 RS was as well. None have been proper track specials.

 

WHAT !!!!!!

You insinuating that i might like to indulge in sexual relations with a farmyard animal !!!!!

If you are then you need some

 

but they have been normal cars, with additional extra's and such, so virtually exactly like the focus is now
fairly good spec for the age, most of them were normally ghia spec at least, with optional extra's thrown in for good measure and to up the spec and price

the focus is more akin to the m3 in that they are both fully loaded motors for rich blokes who want to go fast directly out of the showroom, but don't want to have to struggle when they are out and about showing off in the high street

if ford were to bring out a parred down version it would be more along the lines of the m3 csl rather than a stripped out btcc version like the renault is

and how fucking insecure would you be having bought one knowing that the rear windows were plastic and any little scrote watching top gear was going to be cutting big holes in the back to steal your shopping

 

the focus is 300bhp and the renault is 225bhp,,,,,,,,, COURSE IT SHOULD FUCKING BE QUICKER !!!

its like putting hulk hogan in a fight against tyson,,,,,, whos gonna win ??

make it fair,,, give the focus r888's and the renault 300bhp and see what happens ????

the renault is a better package and a new idea for a market....... i really respect the car for that as ford ect will then follow if it takes off just like it did when the VXR sold so well

ford are no longer market leaders but they are followers,,,, the see what sells and then copy it,,,,,,, fuck me they copied the paint and wheels off a lambo to style the ST

 

ford focus on par with M3 CSL,,,,,,, your taking the piss right ????

its more than twice the price,,,, the M3 csl is on par with a porsche GT3 RS,,,,, the ford focus is on par with other cars people purchase on finance,,,,, not people who work in finance

 

it's a lot quicker to throw a brick through a window than cut a hole in it...............at least renault give you option's.

 

my thoughts exaclty... guess these guys dont live in areas where bricks have been invented yet

 

before going epic ginge, i was on about what sort of cars they were, not who they ere pitched at, and seeing as i'm not sure what other cars are available fully loaded or stripped out that the majority know about and are so widley regarded as being much better for being lighter, what other cars are there out there?

 

Since when did RS mean it was a track oriantated car with harness's and full roll cage??

As far as I know for the last 20 years the RS range have been fast Road cars.

 

time has moved on .....................

 

Hogan FTW

 

All I am going to say is how nice was that RS Capri

 

there aint which is the point,,,, they have basically looked at the increase of track cars, looked and the success of the F430 scudaria, gt3rs, csl, looked at the poor people buying clios and stripping em out for track use aswell as other cars and thought " hmmmmmm theres a potential market out there that nobody seems to have tried yet,,,, lets give it a go"
they had the megan with the brembos ect that was also a sucess and a nice car but nobody noticed it due to looking at orange ford focus's

NOW they have a car that will make people sit up and take notice,,,,,, the future if fast cars will happen like this now im sure of it

 

so if ford bring out a track slag focus rs are you going be say that they were following the crowd then?

if so, ford can't win can they

 

 

The Renault is stripped to almost a track car whilst the Ford still had seats for other people, radio, sat nav etc etc...

 

sooo true mate spot on.ford have rarely if ever made a very duff 'hot hatch'.yes so they use a volvo engine,is different always bad?all reviews of the new rs be it mag or tv programme have rated the rs very highly.the reviewers have been testing and driving cars for many a year,they cant all be wrong?

 

couldnt agree more

 

lets just hope ford have the bottle to build a lightweight focus.... which of course they wont.. TBH i thought that was a moral victory for the focus, as it is a obviously proper big heavy car compared to that R26R.

 

The 75BHP Should have made up for it?

 

if the focus had the slicks on it would beat it hands down but as it stands i would still rather have the focus any day the megane will prob breack down quicker than the focus

 

Different cars for different purposes.


And the 75bhp wont make up for 200kg+ other than a straight line acceleration

Cornering and braking etc will alll be much sharper with less weight.

Weight is king on track.......

 

don't forget the additional scafolding in the megane to make the chassis cope with the stresses and strains applied to it by the cheating tyres

 

Its simple guys, the Focus has more power than the Megane, but the weight loss in the Renault more than compensates. It has better brakes, more stability and safety/handling features along with the semi slick tyres. The fact it could only achieve a second quicker than a family car is pathetic IMO. Yes, its great to see that the well renouned poor build quality of French firms have finally built something to compete with Ford's heritage....but really, is that ugly spud of a car really a contender???

 

AGREED

 

Gonna have to wait till wednesday for the repeat to watch this as had to work last night so missed it

 

were Mexico's not the stripped out versions of the mk1 and 2's?

 

best statement so far!!! Renault build quality is bad, even before having windows made of clingfilm, ask Shings, i broke his passenger seat on his 182 within 2 hours of him picking it up

 

No

They were as per an RS but with a less powerful engine

 

Renault has tons of motorsport heritage or have you forgot that ?

They also have current motorsport programs at all levels, where is ford these days ?

Across all its ranges Ford Europe can only muster up a 1 performance car offering, the new RS is a fantastic car but unfortunatley it stands alone from what was once, arguable the greatest manufacturer of performance cars for the common man. The focus ST was a good product, but they have just failed to do much with it.

I used to love the days of the late 80's & early 90's where there were tons of fast fords blasting about, but now times have changed & the big blue oval lost the plot years ago. Offering up such utter crap as a bolt on mountune version of the new fiesta is an embarrassment, they just do not have the money or the faith to start to regain there title. Halo models like the RS are good for sales of lower models in the range as well.

Ford just seems to have lost its balls these days, which is something Renault never seems short of. They don't always get it right, but at least they have a go.

 

Selling more cars

 

and again for the RS

 

But not making any money .

 

Just SLIGHTLY off topic a min..

Can anyone remember what the MK1 Focus did the Top Gear lap time in??
Interesting to know as i,ve forgotten..lol...

 

Seemed pointless to me to be honest. Comparing two different cars.

The R26-R is aimed at the track day market, so is lightweight and impractical. The Focus is aimed at the every day market, so is well equiped, therefore heavy. Pointless test. They should compare it to it's true rivals, other, fuly trimmed performance variants. The Megane was clearly more planted and better suited to the track, but is undoubtedly useless to most people, due to a lack of rear seats etc.

I'm sure if there was a lightweight version of the RS, it would have been an interesting test, and the result may have been different, but Ford won't do that, it's not what they're about, they're trying to move a bit more upmarket and compete against VW/Audi/BMW, something Renault couldn't even dream of

 

PMSL. I had a Megane Courtesy car and the cruise control button was like a loose tooth, until it eventually fell off. The steering had more play in it than Toys R us.

Benni.

 

I know that feeling. Mate of mine had one of those Meganes up until recently. He spent more time driving a Clio though cos the Megane was back in the dealer's that often

 

can anyone see the times for the mk 1 focus RS,the golf R32,VXR astra etc,mark 2 focus RS,the focus ST and the renault r26r
to see how they all compare
post them up please
and the prices of each