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Old 21-06-2009, 02:04 PM
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This is a really serious debate here and id be properly interested in your views. Its a delicate subject so bewary as to what you may say that could be interpreted as being offensive as it were. Generaly theres a huge diffrence betweeen life after death in re-incarnation which i guess could lead onto a whol new discussion

but, to recap my readings etc



This is one of the great questions of life: What happens when we die? Is death the end of human existence and consciousness, or do we continue in some other place or state of being? Do we go to a place of everlasting reward or eternal torment? Are we destined to be reincarnated, coming to life again in a different body in a seemingly endless cycle of living and dying? Will we ever see deceased loved ones again? Is there somewhere you can go to find the answers?

In spite of centuries of research, science cannot tell us when, where or how life began. Only one source tells us how life began and for what purpose. Shouldn't we go to that source to understand the mystery of death? The Bible tells us exactly what happens after death. It tells us what happens to those who have done right and wrong and reveals the fate of the billions of people who have never known God and His way of life.
Reincarnation, however

reincarnation
Reincarnation is the belief that when one dies, one's body decomposes, but one is reborn in another body. It is the belief that one has lived before and will live again in another body after death. The bodies one passes in and out of need not be human. One may have been a Doberman in a past life, and one may be a mite or a carrot in a future life. Some tribes avoid eating certain animals because they believe that the souls of their ancestors dwell in those animals. A man could even become his own daughter by dying before she is born and then entering her body at birth.

The belief in past lives used to be mainly a belief in Eastern religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism, but now is a central tenet of such theories as dianetics and channeling. In those ancient Eastern religions, reincarnation was not considered a good thing, but a bad thing. To achieve the state of ultimate bliss (nirvana) is to escape from the wheel of rebirth. In most, if not all, ancient religions with a belief in reincarnation, the soul entering a body is seen as a metaphysical demotion, a sullying and impure rite of passage. In New Age religions, however, being born again seems to be a kind of perverse goal. Prepare yourself in this life for who or what you want to come back as in the next life. Belief in past lives also opens the door for New Age therapies such as past life regression therapy which seeks the causes of today's problems in the experiences of previous lifes
Interested in peoples views/thoughts
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when your gone your gone.
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Originally Posted by R5FORD
when your gone your gone.
agreed- but is it YOU thats gone or your spirit???
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lol - get real. We are just a slightly more advanced life form on earth. IE - further up the food chain. When were dead were dead. Just like every other animal, mammal, insect and other variety of life. Is there life after death for a plant or a tree?! I don't think so.

People who need to believe there is something better waiting for them rather than dealing with today amuse me. When its over its over.

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Load of bollox, as had been said, when your dead your dead.

Life after death... come on. What constitutes just humans having life after death. I suppose the after life is full of dinosaurs, fish, ants and even the chicken I ate today
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Originally Posted by Steven_RW
lol - get real. We are just a slightly more advanced life form on earth. IE - further up the food chain. When were dead were dead. Just like every other animal, mammal, insect and other variety of life. Is there life after death for a plant or a tree?! I don't think so.

People who need to believe there is something better waiting for them rather than dealing with today amuse me. When its over its over.

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Religion and the promise of heaven is just a way of controlling stupid people
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the concept of life after death is beacue people are scared to let go and come to terms that they live and die thats it.

you can not fear death.. there's no escaping it
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I'd like to believe in life after death as it would mean i'd get to speak to all the people in my life that are now pushing up daisies. However chances are when you're dead you're dead. It's a nice idea though...
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Originally Posted by Steven_RW
lol - get real. We are just a slightly more advanced life form on earth. IE - further up the food chain. When were dead were dead. Just like every other animal, mammal, insect and other variety of life. Is there life after death for a plant or a tree?! I don't think so.

People who need to believe there is something better waiting for them rather than dealing with today amuse me. When its over its over.

RW

Agreed with Steve and Chip here.
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When Questions are posted I think its important to answer the Question and directions/principles outlined ~ it was good to read this ~
This is one of the great questions of life: What happens when we die? Is death the end of human existence and consciousness, or do we continue in some other place or state of being? Do we go to a place of everlasting reward or eternal torment? Are we destined to be reincarnated, coming to life again in a different body in a seemingly endless cycle of living and dying? Will we ever see deceased loved ones again? Is there somewhere you can go to find the answers?

In spite of centuries of research, science cannot tell us when, where or how life began. Only one source tells us how life began and for what purpose. Shouldn't we go to that source to understand the mystery of death? The Bible tells us exactly what happens after death. It tells us what happens to those who have done right and wrong and reveals the fate of the billions of people who have never known God and His way of life.

This is a Serious Matter ~ and I am saddened by the Dull and Ignorant Responses above...
Yet I'm encouraged by the intelligent approach of the thread~starter ~ good 'un
Science ~imo~ is a very arrogant overbearing and over~trusted medium...
They can only examine creation and in No Way
give life to something that is Dead...
In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth,
we rebelled and Death came on All, there was No death in the beginning ~ death came because of God's Curse upon mans rebellion~
Turn and come to Jesus for Salvation from Eternal Seperation from God and His Prescence, He is Fully Available to All who will come, He has made a Full~Atonement for Iniquity and Sin ~ You can be Saved from the penalty of Your Sin, for it is yours you will answer for and Not anothers, your Denial is a smokescreen for your refusal to own up to your indwelling wickedness and past sin ~ Through an Agonising Death the Risen Saviour atoned for a lost and Cursed Humanity and Eternal Salvation is available to all who will HUMBLE Themslves admitting their evil condition and wrongs, and Call upon Him who is King of kings and Lord of lords, the coming Ruler of all Jesus...
This is my unshakeable confidence as a Bible~Believer
and thanks for reading ~
I was going to post on the other current topic about what to tell a child about Death ~ the answer is the Truth gently when the child is old enough to understand at a suitable time and place ~ the only problem is most people DO NOT KNOW THE TRUTH so how can they tell the Truth ?
One second after you die is one second too late to sort out your destination... Now is the time to call for forgiveness and reconciliation ~ today ~ for you are not promised tomorrow ~
I recognise many are scared to talk about these issues ~ for several reasons ~ the chief being castigated and rejected by others ~ but ~ these others are people whose love and friendship is fickle and flawed anyway ~ so you might as well have the balls to stand by your convictions, and share what you believe to be the Truth ~ Pilate said to Jesus ~ what is Truth ? ~
DO YOU KNOW ? The mass of you Do not ~ the Average brit today is a materialist living in moral darkness far far away from God ( there are exceptions ) Thanks for reading and Happy~Posting

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Oh Lordy lord as the late great daveescos would say..
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Originally Posted by Kestrel77
When Questions are posted I think its important to answer the Question and directions/principles outlined ~ it was good to read this ~
This is one of the great questions of life: What happens when we die? Is death the end of human existence and consciousness, or do we continue in some other place or state of being? Do we go to a place of everlasting reward or eternal torment? Are we destined to be reincarnated, coming to life again in a different body in a seemingly endless cycle of living and dying? Will we ever see deceased loved ones again? Is there somewhere you can go to find the answers?

In spite of centuries of research, science cannot tell us when, where or how life began. Only one source tells us how life began and for what purpose. Shouldn't we go to that source to understand the mystery of death? The Bible tells us exactly what happens after death. It tells us what happens to those who have done right and wrong and reveals the fate of the billions of people who have never known God and His way of life.

This is a Serious Matter ~ and I am saddened by the Dull and Ignorant Responses above...
Yet I'm encouraged by the intelligent approach of the thread~starter ~ good 'un
Science ~imo~ is a very arrogant overbearing and over~trusted medium...
They can only examine creation and in No Way
give life to something that is Dead...
In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth,
we rebelled and Death came on All, there was No death in the beginning ~ death came because of God's Curse upon mans rebellion~
Turn and come to Jesus for Salvation from Eternal Seperation from God and His Prescence, He is Fully Available to All who will come, He has made a Full~Atonement for Iniquity and Sin ~ You can be Saved from the penalty of Your Sin, for it is yours you will answer for and Not anothers, your Denial is a smokescreen for your refusal to own up to your indwelling wickedness and past sin ~ Through an Agonising Death the Risen Saviour atoned for a lost and Cursed Humanity and Eternal Salvation is available to all who will HUMBLE Themslves admitting their evil condition and wrongs, and Call upon Him who is King of kings and Lord of lords, the coming Ruler of all Jesus...
This is my unshakeable confidence as a Bible~Believer
and thanks for reading ~
I was going to post on the other current topic about what to tell a child about Death ~ the answer is the Truth gently when the child is old enough to understand at a suitable time and place ~ the only problem is most people DO NOT KNOW THE TRUTH so how can they tell the Truth ?
One second after you die is one second too late to sort out your destination... Now is the time to call for forgiveness and reconciliation ~ today ~ for you are not promised tomorrow ~
I recognise many are scared to talk about these issues ~ for several reasons ~ the chief being castigated and rejected by others ~ but ~ these others are people whose love and friendship is fickle and flawed anyway ~ so you might as well have the balls to stand by your convictions, and share what you believe to be the Truth ~ Pilate said to Jesus ~ what is Truth ? ~
DO YOU KNOW ? The mass of you Do not ~ the Average brit today is a materialist living in moral darkness far far away from God ( there are exceptions ) Thanks for reading and Happy~Posting


serious question..

who created God?
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Originally Posted by R5FORD
serious question..

who created God?
God's god?
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Originally Posted by 89xr2
God's god?

and who created gods gods?
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when ur dead ur dead theres no escaping it ! some religous people believe that ur spirit lives on. but not me.
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Originally Posted by R5FORD
and who created gods gods?
Chuck Norris?
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Originally Posted by PeterRST
Chuck Norris?


Damn right
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Originally Posted by The Sludge
agreed- but is it YOU thats gone or your spirit???

your gone but your spirit aint..

my view is alough yeah you die BUT when your put back into the earth your giving back the the ceatures we have taken from. so in a sence you become part of them. when we decay & rot they will eat us others will eat them & so on, life is endless i beleve

example, someone posted when a plant die's does that mean it comes back as something else? the answer yes, its seeds will spread & re grow the decaying plant will be eaten & put back into somthing else.

i may add more later but as for now that is what i beleve
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Im gonna be frozen, so the point is mute for me
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Originally Posted by R5FORD
and who created gods gods?
Bob...


Am I right in thinking you're a sikh? If i'm wrong ignore that and if i'm right what is it sikh's believe in with regards to life after death.
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If there is an after life, do all life forms go, or just humans? if its exclusive to humans why?

I'd hate to think i would spend eternity running away from dinosaurs? will the anglo saxons be there? Vikings? Normans? the renaissance? will they have their own values and religions still?
Is the after life one big WAR due to all the conflicting faiths or beleifs?

So, as soon as you die, are you handed a gun, you have to shoot the big dinosaur chasing you and then fight on the battlefield? will Robin Hood be there?

Or as everyone is a "GHOST" will the bullets just pass strait through them, this would mean the after life is just one big arguement as no one can harm eachother !!!

Who wants to look forward to that ???
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Oh FFS muppet room tackle this
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Originally Posted by Rich_bloor
If there is an after life, do all life forms go, or just humans? if its exclusive to humans why?

I'd hate to think i would spend eternity running away from dinosaurs? will the anglo saxons be there? Vikings? Normans? the renaissance?

Forget that, will Jade Goody be there?
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Originally Posted by Kestrel77
[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial Black]This is a Serious Matter ~ and I am saddened by the Dull and Ignorant Responses above...
I am saddened by:

a) Your use of Arial Black
b) The fact that you, and others like you just don't get it.

If you open your mind a little further than your religion will allow you'll actually find that we are nothing other than clever animals and ALL religions are a foolish construct intended to trap the gullible into submission.

When we die, the only thing we become is worm food.
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Originally Posted by DanW@FastFord
I am saddened by:

a) Your use of Arial Black
b) The fact that you, and others like you just don't get it.

If you open your mind a little further than your religion will allow you'll actually find that we are nothing other than clever animals and ALL religions are a foolish construct intended to trap the gullible into submission.

When we die, the only thing we become is worm food.

Exactly. People who live by a 2000 year old set of rules, where times have changed baffles me
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Originally Posted by PT
Exactly. People who live by a 2000 year old set of rules, where times have changed baffles me
People can believe whatever they want to believe, but when they talk to me like I'M the one who doesn't get it, well, that just properly boils my piss.

Anyone who has done even the smallest amount of reading about religion will reach the same conclusions as I have. Sadly, there are non so blind as those that cannot see!
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I used to have the very same attitude, when you are gone, you're gone. I would get so wound up when people told me my loved ones were around me. No one doubted it as much as I did, no-one. To cut a long story short I was in a local when they had a physic night on, and I happened to be drinking in there, and spreading my views on what a load of old rubbish it was.

As I walked to the bar, I was asked 'Did anyone used to give you chocolate?' To which I was about to tell him to go and fuck himself because I was overweight. I said 'Clever, you've hit the nail on the head with that one'. He then asked me who used to give me 50p and some Chocolate. I looked around to work out who told him. He said 'No-one has told me, as true to your word, like your she asked, you never told anyone, did you?' I asked what bar of Chocolate she used to give me, if he was so smart. He never told me, so I thought 'Bollocks' to which he replied 'Did you used to take her home?' I said who? He said a family friend, like a Nan or an Auntie, she wasn't a relative, but was seen as one, you used to take her home, she liked you taking her home, there is a good reason why she preffered you taking her home, and you used to make sure you took her home. I asked him why I took her the long way, is it because she had to avoid someone? Trying to put him off the track. He said no, because you cared, she didn't want to go home'. He finished by telling me she said look after your Mum she's a good lady, and has a big heart. Which is exactly what she told me everytime I took her home. He also said, she said, I was very stubborn still, but not to change. Another thing she said.


How does one man know all this?

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Originally Posted by Kestrel77
When Questions are posted I think its important to answer the Question and directions/principles outlined ~ it was good to read this ~
This is one of the great questions of life: What happens when we die? Is death the end of human existence and consciousness, or do we continue in some other place or state of being? Do we go to a place of everlasting reward or eternal torment? Are we destined to be reincarnated, coming to life again in a different body in a seemingly endless cycle of living and dying? Will we ever see deceased loved ones again? Is there somewhere you can go to find the answers?

In spite of centuries of research, science cannot tell us when, where or how life began. Only one source tells us how life began and for what purpose. Shouldn't we go to that source to understand the mystery of death? The Bible tells us exactly what happens after death. It tells us what happens to those who have done right and wrong and reveals the fate of the billions of people who have never known God and His way of life.

This is a Serious Matter ~ and I am saddened by the Dull and Ignorant Responses above...
Yet I'm encouraged by the intelligent approach of the thread~starter ~ good 'un
Science ~imo~ is a very arrogant overbearing and over~trusted medium...
They can only examine creation and in No Way
give life to something that is Dead...
In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth,
we rebelled and Death came on All, there was No death in the beginning ~ death came because of God's Curse upon mans rebellion~
Turn and come to Jesus for Salvation from Eternal Seperation from God and His Prescence, He is Fully Available to All who will come, He has made a Full~Atonement for Iniquity and Sin ~ You can be Saved from the penalty of Your Sin, for it is yours you will answer for and Not anothers, your Denial is a smokescreen for your refusal to own up to your indwelling wickedness and past sin ~ Through an Agonising Death the Risen Saviour atoned for a lost and Cursed Humanity and Eternal Salvation is available to all who will HUMBLE Themslves admitting their evil condition and wrongs, and Call upon Him who is King of kings and Lord of lords, the coming Ruler of all Jesus...
This is my unshakeable confidence as a Bible~Believer
and thanks for reading ~
I was going to post on the other current topic about what to tell a child about Death ~ the answer is the Truth gently when the child is old enough to understand at a suitable time and place ~ the only problem is most people DO NOT KNOW THE TRUTH so how can they tell the Truth ?
One second after you die is one second too late to sort out your destination... Now is the time to call for forgiveness and reconciliation ~ today ~ for you are not promised tomorrow ~
I recognise many are scared to talk about these issues ~ for several reasons ~ the chief being castigated and rejected by others ~ but ~ these others are people whose love and friendship is fickle and flawed anyway ~ so you might as well have the balls to stand by your convictions, and share what you believe to be the Truth ~ Pilate said to Jesus ~ what is Truth ? ~
DO YOU KNOW ? The mass of you Do not ~ the Average brit today is a materialist living in moral darkness far far away from God ( there are exceptions ) Thanks for reading and Happy~Posting


I hate quoting peoples entire post but I had to for this one as my comment in reply is aimed at the whole body of text.

" ROFL "

Good luck u loony

RW
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Originally Posted by Fezza
Im gonna be frozen, so the point is mute for me
moot i think is the word you are after mate, hth
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I also believe if, believing in something gives us faith, be it religion, anything, then why not. What I despise, is people forcing their relgion and religious views upon other people. In my college a certain religious group was forcing their religion upon everyone, and in general trying to take over the college, and in the end, someone put a pigs head in the lift. Amused they was not. However, that was Ken Bigley related too.

Benni.
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Originally Posted by Benni
How does one man know all this?
I take it you've never watched Derren Brown! Good psychics are merely excellent mental illusionists. Sorry mate, but you've been had well and truely over by that one!
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Originally Posted by DanW@FastFord
I take it you've never watched Derren Brown! Good psychics are merely excellent mental illusionists. Sorry mate, but you've been had well and truely over by that one!
I'd like to agree with you, Dan, but I just can't. To end on a famous quote from my Autie, is not an illusion. He came out with far too many things, which left me with a very open mind. Nobody would like to agree with you more than me, but I just can't. Maybe I was done over, and I honestly hope I have been. But the reality is, I am pretty confident I wasn't.

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Old 21-06-2009, 04:52 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGZGbPdrzO0

She's a fake, you think?
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Originally Posted by PeterRST
Chuck Norris?
Old 21-06-2009, 05:09 PM
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not read the replies but, having been there, done that, i can tell you that there is nothing on the other side

and you take nothing with you
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Jesus christ get a grip, some of your flock are on drugs.
We're born we die, best you can do is try to live a bit longer.
Having been technically dead 4 times(comatosed, on life support stopped breathing 4 times) I think it is a load of bull.
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Where is the who gives a fuck option?
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Originally Posted by Benni
Utterly utterly fake. And worst of all these people are evil, preying on those who have lost.
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Some one needs to tell all these suicide bombers that there's no 70 virgins
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Originally Posted by warrenpenalver
Some one needs to tell all these suicide bombers that there's no 70 virgins
Or tell them the average virgin is a male 38 year old star trek enthusiast still living with his mum...


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