FAO MARKK. REF: Pectel T6 2000 Maps enclosed....
11-12-2004, 03:27 PM
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FAO MARKK. REF: Pectel T6 2000 Maps enclosed....
Hi Mark,
Further to our discussions last night / today, heres the full line up of T62000maps. All 19 screen pages of em
Software mapping section.
Hardware maps section.
Hardware setup section.
A fuel and spark map.
So anyone want to count how many individual screens have to be carefully mapped to fully utilize Pectel T6 2000? 
Still makes me piss myself laughing that certain individuals reckon they can glance at this and tell you instantly what engine the map is suitable for...
Further to our discussions last night / today, heres the full line up of T62000maps. All 19 screen pages of em
Software mapping section.
Hardware maps section.
Hardware setup section.
A fuel and spark map.
So anyone want to count how many individual screens have to be carefully mapped to fully utilize Pectel T6 2000?
Still makes me piss myself laughing that certain individuals reckon they can glance at this and tell you instantly what engine the map is suitable for...
11-12-2004, 03:37 PM
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It's mapped upto a 37psi midrange spike I can see that much and 8750rpm
I was say that is suitable for 8 greys, low comp, ported head, T4, grey car
The colour is the important bit!!
I was say that is suitable for 8 greys, low comp, ported head, T4, grey car
The colour is the important bit!!
11-12-2004, 03:44 PM
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just finding my feet
by studying the map for a bit i can confirm that the spec of that map would suit a 3door sierra with a fooooooooooooooooooooking hoooooooge hand brake
thinking or a car like maybe markk has
, do i win
thinking or a car like maybe markk has
, do i win
11-12-2004, 03:44 PM
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So it fuels to 9250, but the ignition is foooooked after 8750! 
Take it that is Markk's car?? I was joking at Shauns Esccos, mainly from the powers of deduction as I don't know anyone else you've mapped with T6
There is a lot of low boost ignition thats about all I can make out, so I would guess at low comp but I don't know squat really
Take it that is Markk's car?? I was joking at Shauns Esccos, mainly from the powers of deduction as I don't know anyone else you've mapped with T6
There is a lot of low boost ignition thats about all I can make out, so I would guess at low comp but I don't know squat really
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11-12-2004, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil
So it fuels to 9250, but the ignition is foooooked after 8750!
Originally Posted by Phil
Take it that is Markk's car?? I was joking at Shauns Esccos, mainly from the powers of deduction as I don't know anyone else you've mapped with T6
Originally Posted by Phil
There is a lot of low boost ignition thats about all I can make out, so I would guess at low comp but I don't know squat really
for MarkK 
11-12-2004, 04:28 PM
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Stu, thanks for proving me right on one thing anyway:
Mapping looks remarkably similar to coding programs on the pc!
Originally Posted by Phil
I don't know squat really
Mapping looks remarkably similar to coding programs on the pc!
11-12-2004, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsmeagain
ive deducted people called phil on here dont know much abot mapping, but more than people called steve
Bout time you took some notice then Steve as its about to become a big factor in your plans i guess
11-12-2004, 04:42 PM
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.....no steve i know nothing.... 
Stu its running too much advance for a hi/std comp yb turbo on boost....hence i think its around 7.2-1 maybe as high as 7.5-1
Stu its running too much advance for a hi/std comp yb turbo on boost....hence i think its around 7.2-1 maybe as high as 7.5-1
11-12-2004, 04:51 PM
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i see in what we were discussing re the above maps , i can also tell the in depth use of T6 2000, having nye on 900 adjustable single items to adjust before goin in to adjust map tables i dont think i even need to look at the rpm scale over 8750 for a car with a turbo that size
all i can say is [del boy accent on] nice one rodders ! [del boy accent off]
11-12-2004, 04:51 PM
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Still makes me piss myself laughing that certain individuals reckon they can glance at this and tell you instantly what engine the map is suitable for...
The map you have shown i know nothing about..plus its the first time i have seen T6 software.All i can say is what the ignition map looks like to me...the fuelling is a who knows kinda thing as i have no clue what injectors your running.
11-12-2004, 04:56 PM
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From the screens shown you can tell me nothiong at all mate, ZERO.
You cant even tell me what advance its running at idle. Or what fuel duration.
Literally.. ZERO.
You can tell me map table size is 24x24 i suppose... but thats it.
This is largely my point with folk you see. Theres been maps put on here before and comments made, and sometimes folk say "IMO..blah blah" and i just look and giggle to myself, cos the map shows you nothing without the rest of the info shown. Are you following me or not? Want an example or 3 whilst ive little better to do?
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Glad you like it Mark, do you think its more suitable for matey boy than he thinks then? roflol. "Is it good enough for my high spec?" 
You cant even tell me what advance its running at idle. Or what fuel duration.
Literally.. ZERO.
You can tell me map table size is 24x24 i suppose... but thats it.
This is largely my point with folk you see. Theres been maps put on here before and comments made, and sometimes folk say "IMO..blah blah" and i just look and giggle to myself, cos the map shows you nothing without the rest of the info shown. Are you following me or not? Want an example or 3 whilst ive little better to do?
Back on topic
Glad you like it Mark, do you think its more suitable for matey boy than he thinks then? roflol. "Is it good enough for my high spec?"
11-12-2004, 05:07 PM
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Stu @ M Developments,
From the screens shown you can tell me nothiong at all mate, ZERO.
You cant even tell me what advance its running at idle. Or what fuel duration.
From the screens shown you can tell me nothiong at all mate, ZERO.
You cant even tell me what advance its running at idle. Or what fuel duration.
but with the other bits ive seen --------
do you think its more suitable for matey boy than he thinks then?
"Is it good enough for my high spec?"
rocket launcher anyone ???
11-12-2004, 05:08 PM
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Quite Stu......as i dont know what you have set up for many aspects..BUT if we are talking a fully warm engine set within the parameters for coolant temp/ACT temp etc then surely the map says alot.....admittedly the MAP bit has got me a bit as the SECS starts at minus then to 0psi then up...yours is different so would have to read up on Pectel T6 software!...but the ignition donty look a its from a hi comp engine...please tell me the specs?
11-12-2004, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Its absolute pressure Phil, so around the 14 area is what you know as zero boost with 29 being 1bar approx.
The engine specs wont help you with the screens youve got see, as you cant see any modifiers, thats the whole point.
The engine specs wont help you with the screens youve got see, as you cant see any modifiers, thats the whole point.
11-12-2004, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rs Gus
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Its absolute pressure Phil, so around the 14 area is what you know as zero boost with 29 being 1bar approx.
The engine specs wont help you with the screens youve got see, as you cant see any modifiers, thats the whole point.
The engine specs wont help you with the screens youve got see, as you cant see any modifiers, thats the whole point.
11-12-2004, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch Man
Stu.....regardless of what you have modified surely that there is the base map for the engine...or surely those figures mean nowt to you also!
If you gave me just the maps ive shown you now, then no, i would say it means nothing to me, i need it all. Regardless of base map, we have various factors that can also be adjusted to give an overall working map.
Sometimes, working within the main base is not preferable for one reason or another, so you can/will work in what we call "Modifiers" Il dig out an example or 2 from this file Phi and try to explain more. These are examples that will show you that a mere timing map is here nor there if you cant view the "Full picture" so to speak. This is all good info for ya with your next big bhp project so keep an open mind
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If this topic somehow turns to shit it will be locked... beware.
11-12-2004, 05:44 PM
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Ok,
2 commonly used side maps... first one very common.
If for arguments sake i wanted to take apart the engine that spark map pertains to, and increase its compression, instead of adjusting the whole map, i could use the global modifiers to add a correction factor to teh entire map. like this:
That has simply and easily removed 6 degrees from the whole spark map.... look a tad more like a high compression map now Phil?
Also,
we have more complex side maps like the cylinder trim maps. These are the maps we would use to trim an engine cylinder that has unequal airflow for example.
Now that example is removing advance on boost in the midrange area, but adding advance as the revs climb.... maybe that cylinder alone has a det problem at peak boost? Or maybe all teh cylinders were modded the same to keep the spark map a bit more "Secret"
Remember, these maps work by "modifying" the original "Base" map.
So if you saw a spike in a spark map for example, it may have been there to cancel out the figure inserted in a modifier. Or Visa Versa...
Any help Phil? Any questions even? Im here for teh long haul tonight and dont wanna waste it fooking arguing as usual
**Edited to say.. Tw@.. after all those screendumps i did today, i finally found out how to do a clearer version by accident
2 commonly used side maps... first one very common.
If for arguments sake i wanted to take apart the engine that spark map pertains to, and increase its compression, instead of adjusting the whole map, i could use the global modifiers to add a correction factor to teh entire map. like this:
That has simply and easily removed 6 degrees from the whole spark map.... look a tad more like a high compression map now Phil?
Also,
we have more complex side maps like the cylinder trim maps. These are the maps we would use to trim an engine cylinder that has unequal airflow for example.
Now that example is removing advance on boost in the midrange area, but adding advance as the revs climb.... maybe that cylinder alone has a det problem at peak boost? Or maybe all teh cylinders were modded the same to keep the spark map a bit more "Secret"
Remember, these maps work by "modifying" the original "Base" map.
So if you saw a spike in a spark map for example, it may have been there to cancel out the figure inserted in a modifier. Or Visa Versa...
Any help Phil? Any questions even? Im here for teh long haul tonight and dont wanna waste it fooking arguing as usual
**Edited to say.. Tw@.. after all those screendumps i did today, i finally found out how to do a clearer version by accident
11-12-2004, 05:57 PM
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Well tbh its best i dont learn T6 ways or i may get the S8 figures wrong
I see what your saying though ...BUT can you look at a fully modified map as to what it will do in car once warm without the engine running?....As to look at the first map its now known as a base which once the engine is running it alters as per your specs.
I see what your saying though
...BUT can you look at a fully modified map as to what it will do in car once warm without the engine running?....As to look at the first map its now known as a base which once the engine is running it alters as per your specs.
11-12-2004, 06:01 PM
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Nope... you must check the maps carefully and base your decision on that, or fire up the motor and check it in the engine bench analyser section that shows live figures after modification...
And that i guess, is the whole point. Things are not always as they first appear.
And that i guess, is the whole point. Things are not always as they first appear.
11-12-2004, 06:25 PM
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Stu...are you saying that Ian's T6 map from EA might have been interpreted incorrectly when it was said it was a WRC map full stop?
How Steve car say the map snapped the con rod and blew it to pieces when it recorded 3.5bar i will never know
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How Steve car say the map snapped the con rod and blew it to pieces when it recorded 3.5bar i will never know
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11-12-2004, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rs Gus
Stu what about exessive temperature how does it deal with that?????????? i also see it has inputs in the piccys for egt what does it do with them????????
In this particular example of management we have various opions to configure as we please. The most usefull of which is this one.. EGT fuel trim.
As you can see, here ive opted to leave the fuelling untouched unless the temperature reaches or exceeds 900Deg C. At these temperatures i start adding fuel to the mixture in an attempt to cool the combustion and correspondingly the exhaust temperature down. There are other EGT factors mappable also such as EGT controlled anti lag so you dont overdo it at McDonalds Gus
Bosch Man,
Stu...are you saying that Ian's T6 map from EA might have been interpreted incorrectly when it was said it was a WRC map full stop?
Stu...are you saying that Ian's T6 map from EA might have been interpreted incorrectly when it was said it was a WRC map full stop?
Absolutely not Phil, im saying only someone with prior mapping experience and especially experience of high end stuff like T6 can be asked to interpret a map like this as most people would, with all due respect Phil, do exactly as you did and look at the base alone which is useless. Harvey Gibbs is one such person and theres no doubt in my mind that the conclusion Harvey reached is correct, theres few people in the UK who can give an accurate assesment of a T6 map but Harvey and his associates are most certainly the most qualified people that i can think of. I i required a second opinion of a map, they are to whom i would personally turn. I also happen to know someone else who gave a second opinion and i doubt they were also wrong in their assesment. The conclusion reached is not for me to say as this post is not about Ian's troubles, you will have to look elsewhere for that.
How Steve car say the map snapped the con rod and blew it to pieces when it recorded 3.5bar i will never know ...
Phil,
Ian H someone from the looks of the map name
Ian H someone from the looks of the map name
I CATAGORICALLY STATE THAT THIS IS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH IAN @RACETEK Now.. back on topic please guys...
11-12-2004, 09:33 PM
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Stu, I know the T6 ecu a fair bit and its NOT for the in-experienced at all !
It tries to do everything for everybody and the price reflects this !!!!
Still, top quality kit !
And I dont think there is enough info on this thread to make a proper guess
at the engine spec. IMO
It tries to do everything for everybody and the price reflects this !!!!
Still, top quality kit !
And I dont think there is enough info on this thread to make a proper guess
at the engine spec. IMO
11-12-2004, 09:39 PM
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Your right, there still isnt and this post has bugger all to do with engine spec so thats cool
The post was for MarkK to see what sort of mapping power and configurability it has for a rallying colleague of his whos seen one second hand, it just kinda got sidetracked a tad in the PF way, but interestingly for some none the less.
Yep, T6 is the daddy but comes at the daddy's price
The post was for MarkK to see what sort of mapping power and configurability it has for a rallying colleague of his whos seen one second hand, it just kinda got sidetracked a tad in the PF way, but interestingly for some none the less.
Yep, T6 is the daddy but comes at the daddy's price