S1 RS Turbo Re-Bore???? PLEASE HELP!!!
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S1 RS Turbo Re-Bore???? PLEASE HELP!!!
FIRSTLY, THIS POST IS NOT INTENDED TO STIR UP ANY MORE NEGATIVE REACTION TOWARDS ENGINE ADVANTAGES.
I am posting this because I know many of you know Ford's inside out and I respect and value your opinions.
My S1 was at Engine Advantages today for a tune up:
This is the supposed spec:
Engine rebuild 300 miles ago, still being run in.
Rebuild consisting of;
165/170bhp Chip
Recon bottom end,
New pistons & rings
Valves & valve stem oil seals
Skimmed head
Uprated head
Polished and ported
New Tappets
Cometic Head Gaskets
Full Magnex exhaust from turbo
SFS silicone hoses
Uprated intercooler
Competition GFB Dump Valve
Bailey Header Tank & Oil seperater & loads of Chrome in engine bay
It was running very rough when I picked it up last Thursday night so I booked it in for a tune up today.
Anyway, Paul phoned me at about 11:00am with some bad news for me.
Basically, he said *my cylinders are full of oil and that the bores are worn. Using a borescope he could see a step on the bores where the pistons have worn them away*.
*I know nothing about engines, the above is what I think he said, if it wasn't or if it doesn't make sense it is 100% my fault.
He informed me the car would need re-boring, his quote for the work was £1500 (I don't know if this included the VAT).
I now don't know what to do, would I do better to get a recon. engine from Specialised or something? Or is there any alternative solution?
I e-mailed Specialised, SCC and Burton asking for their advice.
Any advice, opinions and solutions appreciated gentlemen.
Please bare it in mind that I have the mechanical ability of a haddock!!
Thank you for your time.
Oh by the way Paul didn't charge me a penny, which was nice of him.
I am posting this because I know many of you know Ford's inside out and I respect and value your opinions.
My S1 was at Engine Advantages today for a tune up:
This is the supposed spec:
Engine rebuild 300 miles ago, still being run in.
Rebuild consisting of;
165/170bhp Chip
Recon bottom end,
New pistons & rings
Valves & valve stem oil seals
Skimmed head
Uprated head
Polished and ported
New Tappets
Cometic Head Gaskets
Full Magnex exhaust from turbo
SFS silicone hoses
Uprated intercooler
Competition GFB Dump Valve
Bailey Header Tank & Oil seperater & loads of Chrome in engine bay
It was running very rough when I picked it up last Thursday night so I booked it in for a tune up today.
Anyway, Paul phoned me at about 11:00am with some bad news for me.
Basically, he said *my cylinders are full of oil and that the bores are worn. Using a borescope he could see a step on the bores where the pistons have worn them away*.
*I know nothing about engines, the above is what I think he said, if it wasn't or if it doesn't make sense it is 100% my fault.
He informed me the car would need re-boring, his quote for the work was £1500 (I don't know if this included the VAT).
I now don't know what to do, would I do better to get a recon. engine from Specialised or something? Or is there any alternative solution?
I e-mailed Specialised, SCC and Burton asking for their advice.
Any advice, opinions and solutions appreciated gentlemen.
Please bare it in mind that I have the mechanical ability of a haddock!!
Thank you for your time.
Oh by the way Paul didn't charge me a penny, which was nice of him.
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AS Justin says who rebuilt it ? If these deffects were ther before rebuild they should have been picked up.
If New pistons have been fitted were they 0.5mm oversized or std if oversized then the bore would have been machined to fit and therfore bore should be perfect
If New pistons have been fitted were they 0.5mm oversized or std if oversized then the bore would have been machined to fit and therfore bore should be perfect
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DO NOT go to specialised engines.... They are really just specialists in Talking crap and avoiding issues in hand.... I will be starting a thread on them myself soon
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Not sure if all of these people do CVH rebuilds so forgive me if not, just know they have good reps.
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Karl Norris
Grove garage
Burtons
Like I say some of them may not build engines but its worth asking, also ask around and get others opinions as you are on this post.
We can build the engine for you but we are still new and have no real rep as such to speak of. We are currently rebuildin 2 mk2 XRT conversions and not so long ago rebuilt my own 190 bhp S2 and a friends pretty std FRST.
If you would like a quote please PM me or call
Also you may need a new block depending on how bad the step is and whether its been rebored previously.
Cheers
Jay
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Karl Norris
Grove garage
Burtons
Like I say some of them may not build engines but its worth asking, also ask around and get others opinions as you are on this post.
We can build the engine for you but we are still new and have no real rep as such to speak of. We are currently rebuildin 2 mk2 XRT conversions and not so long ago rebuilt my own 190 bhp S2 and a friends pretty std FRST.
If you would like a quote please PM me or call
Also you may need a new block depending on how bad the step is and whether its been rebored previously.
Cheers
Jay
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TBH... and this is with greatest respect to XFactor, maybe even puts your mind at rest, Rebiulding a std CVH bottom end as pretty straight forward... someone who has competently done a couple should be fine
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just had my bottom end fully redone, low comped for a turbo and ligthened and balanced all for £1900 all in by CTM which is the company that does all the engineering work for Burtons,
its on the A12 in gants hill/ilford.
charlie is a top man, i know hes busy atm what with moving premises and xmas but have a chat with him 020 8554 3534
its on the A12 in gants hill/ilford.
charlie is a top man, i know hes busy atm what with moving premises and xmas but have a chat with him 020 8554 3534
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you could do much worse than give jay at x-factor a call,he is at present working on my fez xr2 turbo,and belive me if i didnt trust him,it wouldnt be getting done by him!
thanx
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thanx
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I'm pretty sure the smoke's not blue at all! Odd!
I have contacted the previous owner, he said that he thought the BMW guy would've done it.
Maybe I need a second opinion.
Who?
I have contacted the previous owner, he said that he thought the BMW guy would've done it.
Maybe I need a second opinion.
Who?
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I'd get a second opinion. Oil smoke usually has a very distinctive smell to it also.
You never know could just be a head gasket or some thing silly like that.
You never know could just be a head gasket or some thing silly like that.
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Yes m8 if its oil its blue smoke and head gasket is white smoke (water) my m8's dad did min on the cheap he'd never done a cvh before but it's spot on
''Specialised engines'' i've heard bad things about them (head gaskets going on a rebuilt cossie engine after only a few hundread miles )
i've got a rs turbo engine in my shed that im painting up done by power enginering about 1900 miles ago i brought it for £500
''Specialised engines'' i've heard bad things about them (head gaskets going on a rebuilt cossie engine after only a few hundread miles )
i've got a rs turbo engine in my shed that im painting up done by power enginering about 1900 miles ago i brought it for £500
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were are all forgetting one thing here PAUL HILLS said it was fooked not karl or anyone other tuner just yeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaa man id take the head off and look but i can do it myself so it would be easy if u was local id do it u for the price of the gaskets just so u know if i is duff or not
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There are a few things you can look at your self too. Deffo get a second opionion for one.
But is she getting hot?
Any mayo on the filler cap?
Any shite in the expansion tank?
Possible mis fire when starting from cold or indeed a miss fire any time?
But is she getting hot?
Any mayo on the filler cap?
Any shite in the expansion tank?
Possible mis fire when starting from cold or indeed a miss fire any time?
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just my 2p's worth, get a second opinion 100% and try not to admit you have no mechanical knowledge as people will be inclined to tuck you up even further!!
also, you have absolutly no chance of any money back from the guy you bought it from , I dont know why people are saying contact the previous owner , it has nothing to do with him , you bought the car as seen you should have taken someone with you who knows how to spot these things .
good luck matey
also, you have absolutly no chance of any money back from the guy you bought it from , I dont know why people are saying contact the previous owner , it has nothing to do with him , you bought the car as seen you should have taken someone with you who knows how to spot these things .
good luck matey
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Originally Posted by MikeyXR2i
cmopression test shold be carried out?
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Originally Posted by RST_lee
There are a few things you can look at your self too. Deffo get a second opionion for one.
But is she getting hot?
Any mayo on the filler cap?
Any shite in the expansion tank?
Possible mis fire when starting from cold or indeed a miss fire any time?
But is she getting hot?
Any mayo on the filler cap?
Any shite in the expansion tank?
Possible mis fire when starting from cold or indeed a miss fire any time?
No
Haven't checked.
Have had a few misfires.
Seems to be losing pressure all the time whilst driving.
Although I did boot on the way home last night as I was so pissed off, probably not the best idea but I did it anyway, it was boosting up fine and accelerating well.
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just my 2p's worth, get a second opinion 100% and try not to admit you have no mechanical knowledge as people will be inclined to tuck you up even further!!
also, you have absolutly no chance of any money back from the guy you bought it from , I dont know why people are saying contact the previous owner , it has nothing to do with him , you bought the car as seen you should have taken someone with you who knows how to spot these things .
good luck matey
also, you have absolutly no chance of any money back from the guy you bought it from , I dont know why people are saying contact the previous owner , it has nothing to do with him , you bought the car as seen you should have taken someone with you who knows how to spot these things .
good luck matey
I didn't expect to get anything back from the seller, it was sold as seen. I think I was just unlucky, at the time I viewed it, it ran okay and drove well. I don't know what could've happened between then and when I picked it up. I have no luck with cars
I could do with some good luck mate.
Where shall I take it then?
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I reckon get 2nd opion then if it is fucked take up alan,s offer well cheap!
i've got a rs turbo engine in my shed that im painting up done by power enginering about 1900 miles ago i brought it for £500
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M7 , its other people who said go back to previous owner not you matey, dont take it the wrong way.
there have already been a few suggestions , why dont you give scc a bell as they wont be too far away from you and are a good bunch of guys down there
there have already been a few suggestions , why dont you give scc a bell as they wont be too far away from you and are a good bunch of guys down there
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bring it down to me matey
i,l strip it , check it and tell you if theres anything wrong with it , if it all checks out ok i,l put it back together for you which will leave it for you to get the ecu checked etc . most people with a half decent knowledge of engines can tell if things like that are fooked . just give me good drink for doing it
it would give me a good excuse to get out the house
i,l strip it , check it and tell you if theres anything wrong with it , if it all checks out ok i,l put it back together for you which will leave it for you to get the ecu checked etc . most people with a half decent knowledge of engines can tell if things like that are fooked . just give me good drink for doing it
it would give me a good excuse to get out the house
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TOP MAN !!!!!!!!!!
bring it down to me matey
i,l strip it , check it and tell you if theres anything wrong with it , if it all checks out ok i,l put it back together for you which will leave it for you to get the ecu checked etc . most people with a half decent knowledge of engines can tell if things like that are fooked . just give me good drink for doing it
it would give me a good excuse to get out the house
i,l strip it , check it and tell you if theres anything wrong with it , if it all checks out ok i,l put it back together for you which will leave it for you to get the ecu checked etc . most people with a half decent knowledge of engines can tell if things like that are fooked . just give me good drink for doing it
it would give me a good excuse to get out the house
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As said above, Book it in with Steve at SCC as they are not to far from you and will give you a TOTALLY honest opinion
TBH, it doesnt sound like the bores are worn.
TBH, it doesnt sound like the bores are worn.