BRAMMER

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Went for a setup on Wednesday and 15 miles into the drive home and it started to tap, i was traveling at around 60-70 mph then it seemed to clear then it fired on 3 and when i eventually pulled over to the left lane it died and i coasted to a stop.

The car was running spot on so to go all of a sudden like this was strange.

I tried to start it again but it was difficult, when it did start it fired on 2 or 3 so i turned it off, their was also a slight rattle/tapping noise.

No it's home i charged the battery back up

With some inspection at home their doesn't seem to be oil leaking from anywhere or a mixture in the header. The oil on the dipstick seems clear and an inspection inside the rocker looked fine.
I removed the plugs and 1 and 4 were very black were the other two weren't as bad - theirs a spark on all four plugs and the leads are fine.

One thing i did notice is that number 1 and 4 the square clip that fits over the injector tops/rail was seating correctly especially number 4 (bulkhead end) it was on an angle, these were remove in the service to enhance spray, they have since been refitted correctly could this have caused any issues as nothing was picked up on the service??

Tried to start it this morning and i get this very load popping noise when i turn the key like pressure from somewhere but i can't identify were from, it has just had a dump valve fitted.

The car does try to start if you pump the pedal like mad but again sounds as if it's trying to fire 2 or 3.

Does it sound like it's fucked?? before i take the top end off for inspection.

saph4be

pesonally i would call the place that heve just set it up was it a republe company?

Lloyd

check the cam belt, sounds like its jumped a tooth.

BRAMMER

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Interesting Lloyd, so basically if that were to happen the car would be completely out of timing?? and how do i check it's right or wrong??

J1mbo

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line up the timing mark at the crank, then check the dizzy/oil pump pulley and cam pulleys and see if theyre all lined up

BigErn

check your bottom pulley to make sure allthe timing lugs are there, one of mine flew off while driving and it took me ages to suss it out.

KW-rscos

I know mine is a CVH, but when I had the same symptoms, It was a big end bearing that had gone because the oil gallery in the rod had blocked up

BRAMMER

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I'll try the above later when i get out of bed, what worries me is the loud compressed pop that comes from somewhere and the really strong smell of fuel.

Daveysaff

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Have you got vernier pulleys?
I had ally piper verniers on my sapphire, and they fuckers slipped when I was on my way to work one morning and snapped the heads clean off 2 inlet valves and hammered them into the pistons

Started as a tapping and popping out of the exhausy, then got REALLY loud.

Moonstone Steve.

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I would think the compressed pop and smell of fuel would be unburnt fuel in the exhaust manifold igniting maybe, as Ern has said check your lugs on the crank pulley and if you have verniers check that they havent slipped.

Steve

Paul_RS

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Sounds electrical rather than mechanical? Check phase sensor/crank sensor/crank pulley.

Spiky

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black smoke?

map sensor?

xr_craig

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Could be injector related? dependant on what was done to them in the service.

My mates RS turbo had injector problems and when it was setup the fuel pressure was adjusted to overcome the issue. After a few miles the injectors cleared and as a result it flooded

Lee_R21Turbo

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Where the spark plugs changed as part of the service. Check they are all in securely.

Zetecfiesta

my erst does this and its running cossie management, the loud pop is cause youve been turning it over and its pumping fuel in and then when you turn the ignition on and off the ecu, sparks all four injectors and thats what pops!!

also mine doesnt run and is doing exactly the same as yours so i dont think its anything to worry about as mines got an electrical fault, its usually the crank or phase sensor, deffo check you bottom ring though as i knocked mine out of place alittle and it wouldnt run.

Moonstone Mo

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is the knocking noise still there on start up.

carlo

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not good mate

scoooby slayer

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my cos was similar to this, no rattling but running funny then sooting up and was map sensor fault.

andy escos

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hope its not to bad

Moonstone Steve.

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Any news....is he still in bed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve

BRAMMER

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Wish i was mate on 11 hr night shifts.

Right the car won't start even will a full charge on the battery, it fires in a fashion on say 3 if you pump the pedal like mad but then dies. the tapping noise was from the top of the engine and it did sound sound slightly more than your average sticky tappet

I have checked the positioning of things - all pictures are the engine at the same position

cam pully's - triangles facing each other



phase sensor



bottom pully - the little notch isn't in line with the crank sensor is that right?? it's about 5mm to the side of it

brad

have you got a compression tester ?

ybturbo

Is it just me or the inlet cam pulley has jumped a tooth?

BRAMMER

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I can get hold of one though, i did think it's time to comfirm it's either bad news or really bad news.

what is the ideal compression of a standard build that has only 2500 miles on it ???

cossie604

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Have you spoken to the guys who've just worked on it yet?

cossie604

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I dont think so mate, looks like he's turned just past tdc, that along with the camera angle makes it look off.

cossie604

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tbh it would still run at just one tooth out on a cam anyhows.

Glenn_

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Are the plugs wet with fuel when the engine is turning over.Can you get hold of some more injectors and use these to iliminate the injectors.

scoooby slayer

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when my map sensor failed was just like running on 3 to start with. but once stopped and tryed to restart from cold had to pump throttle as fast as possible and it would just start pumping out black smoke. just as you said yours did.

i dont know what the noise is you heard, but seems identical symptoms to my map sensor failer.

saph4be

why don,t you RING the company who have just worked on it i not saying it there fault but they will tell you any adjustments made for the sake off a 5 minute phone call may it may get you up and running

Glenn_

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Any luck yet Brammer.

DAN400

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same thing happened to me a few weeks ago only i was slidding up the road in 2nd on the limiternext thing theres a pop,like a intercooler hose comin off !was off a cyclinder and going like shit,all hoses intact,checked everything electrical,then took rocker cover off and the exhaust cam was layin in 2 bits.would ave though it would av been rattleing its tits off but it was nt, maybe this could be your problem

BRAMMER

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The company i dealt with are a well known company and have tried to help as much as they can over the phone it should have gone back to them but the AA pissed around and they would have been well shut by the time the recovery came.

I would try the map sensor but it's brand new and i haven't got another to try, and at the moment buying an item that may not be the problem isn't really an option as i'm skint after the service

BRAMMER

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Problem confirmed - the exhaust cam is snapped in half

People who have had this problem - did you have to take the head off for further inspection or just replace the cam???

This is the position of the cams when top pully's meet - the rear of the exhaust is the part that isn't turning, obviously



Anyone have a Std or BD10 cam for sale in mint condition???

B13 JUS

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it's worth trying to fit another cam first to see how it runs. as long as the cam snapped in the position with the valves closed (the part that does'nt turn) it should be ok.

DAN400

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i knew it sounded like a snapped cam, i tryed everywhere for a 2nd hand one just a couple of weeks ago,ended up buyin a new bd10 off matt lewis, a newman cam Ł160 delivered to the door, i was lucky enough no damage done! fingers crossed youll get away with it to

DAN400

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why has it snapped the cam ?? my reason was the studs were pulled from the head on number 5 cap,your studs all look fine

BRAMMER

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I'm also lucky as the lobes from front to back are 9, 3, 3, 12, 12 O'clock all valves closed

I have been onto GGR and they say they have 8's and 10's so i'll go for one of them, what is the process of running a cosworth cam in ???? i have heard 20 mins at 2500prm

BRAMMER

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No 4 & 5 were slightly lose and have tightened by hand but i'll bolt them down correctly when i refit the new item

DAN400

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running ini took mine down the road as hard as she could go goin like a clock still, how much is ggr for the cam ??