Lloyd

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090421/...t-45dbed5.html

who else thinks this is just another money spinner?

Cossy Mike

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How can you justify saying "speed camera's cut deaths"?

F***ing horse shit, it really is.

Rossco

We will soon be back to having a bloke walking in front of each car waving a flag, foooooking mupets!

Chip

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TBH I think they have a fair point, I doubt this statistic quoted is incorrect for pedestrians hit by a car:

So dropping the limit to 20mph and enforcing that limit is likely to save lives.

Its the cameras in the middle of nowhere on a long straight with no turnings on or off it that tend to be there for revunue generation with no legitimate claim to saving lives IMHO, especially given that some of them have been proven to increase the chance of an accident by encouraging panic braking.

gingeRS

we have had 20mph limits round here for years, usually around heavily pedestrianised and school areas. no biggie.....dont get your knickers in a twist

Kev83

another load of crap that wont be coming into law. The goverment should be looking more into dragging this country out of the economic crisis that were in

MUPPETS

Lloyd

lol,so next is !!!!!
nobody dies when hit by a car at 8mph, so the new limit is 7mph.

Psycho Warren

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TBH 20mph cameras in school areas and residential areas that are 20mph is no big deal. Most those roads you wouldnt want to go over 20 anyway due to either it being so narrow due to parking on both sides road or due to so many pot holes

If they are also proposing to change the blanket rule:
and knock it down to a 20mph blanket speed then that would be bang out of order.

dojj

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a few years ago, every road in the ub1 and ub2 area was, overnight, turned into a 30 mph zone beit dual carriageway or country lane or whatever, and some roads were turned into 20 mph zones

no one takes any notice and peole still drive as fast as they possibly can

Chip

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Its a case of finding an acceptable middle ground between fatality risks and people making progress when travelling.

I think 20mph in areas of particuar risk, ie schools and parks etc where children are likely to venture onto the roads, is not a problem, TBH you should be going that slow or slower anyway in those circumstances really.

Cossy Mike

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Bollox.......

Cameras don't have common sense. So when your going past these 'schools' during school holidays or 4 am it's still gonna flash you at 24mph is'nt it?

dojj

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but why not just tell kids to walk on the pavements and teach drivers better awareness of the risks as opposed to finding more ways to make motorists lives more difficult?

i bet that smary faced fuck is going to screw the motoring public hard in the budget to justify his enourmous salary

dojj

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living near 3 school (on my road alone) and being raised by a mother who worked at one of them, i know that schools are busy at holiday times with kids going to clubs and stuff as well as in the night time, escepially when they've got to get on a coach at 3am to get to france or germany or some other exotic location when they go on holiday

ok, so the younger kids do the holiday stuff and the older kids tdo the weeks away stuff, but it's still a risk, even more so when you think no one should be about

Lloyd

i dont dissagree in principle,sensible people drive at a speed according to the conditions,so near a school slow down.do you really need a money making camera to do this?
how many cameras would be put up if the revenue went to charity? exactly.none.

Chip

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I dont personally need one, but sadly many others do appear to need cameras to force them to respect the lives of others yes.

Psycho Warren

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Because the majority of motorists and pedestrians are idiots and commonsense, safety awareness etc is something learned to pass test then rapidly forgotten.

The consquence of people not taking responsibility for thier own actions is that we need a nanny state to put stupid amounts of laws in place to mitigate that.

Its exactly the same with the NSL planned 50mph.... people wont take responsibility to drive at a safe speed so the governments using law to try and force a safe speed on us.

Lloyd

so next, ban cars totally from residential areas,= no deaths.
car parks on the edge of the towns charging extortionate rates per hour= money spinner.
all jump on a tram to where you are going=money spinner.

Chip

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Its a shame that it appears to be the case that the more control you take away from the motorist, the LESS attention they pay.

Im convinced that as the nanny state gets more and more intrusive, driving standards are dropping as a result, and not just the other way around!

dojj

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in my view, the OLNY way to effectivly enforce the speed limits is to set up average speed cameras across the nation to just put a stop to peole going faster than they should

but

they hsould be placed sensibly, on known stretches of roads that have been prooven dangerous, coupled with reaonable speed limits and plenty of warning signs when to lsow down and what not this should make them saver places to travel on

also, how many of you knew that the more paint there is on the roads in the form of lines and markings, the more dangerous the road was?

dojj

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just make everyone who's got done for speeding retake their advanced driving test before tey are allowed behind the wheel again

simple, money spinning, future proofing, etc

Chip

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Speed isnt anywhere near as big deal a deal as its made out a lot of the time IMHO even though I still maintain that near large quantities of children a 20 limit is appropriate, there are far more important aspects to driving that are less profitable to attempt to enforce though, like people looking in their mirrors or keeping a sensible gap.

Lloyd

i suspect its just a build up ,trying to get people to agree to having a black box in the car.= no more speeding,and they know where your car is at all times.

S1rst

This is all well and good, providing they DO stick to the hot spots and high risk areas. I really pisses me off when you see some idiot doing 30 on some roads just becuase thats the limit, when in reality they are driving like a cock even if doing the limit. Its usually chavs or women i have to say.

As long as they dont end up sticking 20 limits up in all the current 30 limits, which to be honest, i can see it heading that way if this comes into force.

Each road should be judged on the danger it poses, and then an appropriate limit given. Some of the roads near me have stupid speed limits. Why the main road near me is 30 and not 40 is beyond me! Everyone does 40 on it anyway and theres still never been an incident there they i can remember! No doubt they'll put this down to 20 eventually and piss even more people off.

Rick Astley

Outside schools there should be, zebra/pelican crossing. Children should only be allowed and educated to cross there or with a crossing lady/man. They should not walk out between cars.

This sounds harsh but I reckon if I hit a 3ft or so little kid at 20mph they'd be just the right height to hit their head. I'd probably still kill them.

The kids need educating on road safety.

Even better if people stopped parking nose to tail outside school reducing visibility to zero so your unable to see any potential hazards on the pavement that would be a great help.

Chip

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S1rst, as always it will be a good idea badly implemented im sure

lambchopy

not if you go down the wrong side of the road! (nobody coming the other way at 4 am!)

matts1

Near me they have traffic calming schemes around schools, basically the road is cut to one lane from two in sections and alternative right of ways are in places with speed bumps at the point it is cut to one lane.

This seems to work, the road is mainly a two lane stretch but in normal driving it is a waste of time trying to get upto or over 30mph between the sections of one lane, easier to roll at 20mph and all the cars seems to weave through nicely.

The speed bump in the cut out section stops anyone trying to hammer the space unfairly as they will only result in loosing their sump.


I have to say that the WORST road manners and driving skill is show at school time by mums - driving cars that are far to big for them or their ability and all thinking the road is theirs and everyones else should move out of the way

"I am a mum on a school run, my mission is more significant than god himself"

Psycho Warren

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I agree!! they need to learn that the world doesnt revolve around them!!!

Just because "little johnny" is the most important object in thier self centered world, doesnt mean they can justify everything with "ive got kids"

Lee Reynolds

Mate kids get distracted, no matter what their education level is on road safety! Thats life....can you not remember being a kid?

foreigneRS

if there's more paint, show more restraint - one of my driving mantras of which i have several.

wet after dry, risk is high

if wipers are on, lights should be on

only a fool breaks the two second rule. if it pours make it four. if it snows then make it ten.

can't think of any more at the moment, but they get said in my head as the situation arises