neilm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8003799.stm

The guys who run Pirates Bay, one of the leading Torrent Websites have been found guilty and fined £2.4million (£30m Kronor)

Speaking to the BBC, the chairman of industry body the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) John Kennedy said the verdict sent out a clear message.

"There has been a perception that piracy is OK and that the music industry should just have to accept it. This verdict will change that," he said.


It would be really funny if everyone who has used Pirates Bay at some point in the last few years chipped in just 50p to pay the fine and the legal costs.

That would be a serious message back to the music industry that you can not stop piracy by show trials and picking on individuals but the real way to stop piracy is to make music more affordable.

orion85

totaly agree. People with low wage cannot afford to buy them. You say so don't buy them and why hey can't listen to music like others. Piracy is for the low class. Long life to Pirates

foreigneRS

it's all well and good thinking that you can use a pirate source for films and music but if everyone did for long enough then those industries would die

because one of you doesn't pay for your music, i have to pay twice as much. that's selfish, don't you think? if you can't afford to pay for it, don't have it.

G950KDT

iTrader: (2)

people will complain as its being used for this, and yes the industry will suffer......but it wont put people off using these sites in the least bit i think

PeterD

http://suprbay.org/showthread.php?t=51426&page=3

Apparently the BBC on tpb's forum looking for comments lol

I don't think it will be the landmark verdict their looking for though

neilm

I have to say thats rubbish.

When I was a boy back in the 70's every album you bought on the inner paper sleeve had a whole thing about 'Home Taping is killing music' with a big skull and crossbones logo

Well if that was the case 40 years on there shouldnt be any music and there shouldnt be any rich megastars and we'd all be playing the comb and paper round the camp fire.


I use sites like this to vet albums, I download it, if I like it I buy it on vinyl, if I dont like it I dont waste my money.

Films I dont bother with as they come to DVD or ever TV so quickly now why bother, plus I hate being raped in the cinema for food and drink.

And I get to watch LOST without fooking 5 minute advert breaks every 10 minutes

tonyk

I use Naptser and pay £14 a month for it, it allows me to download as much music to my Mp4 player as I want legally and I dont worry about the spyware that kazaa etc.. provides. The only problem is my Iphone is not regonised by Napster so I have to use a creative Zen Mp4 player because of the DRM issues.

If the cost of the music comes down, more people will buy it. The Napster idea is great, £14 buys what two albums a month if your lucky?

5t1g

The first server used in Pirate Bay is now in a musume in Stockholm, it says. Alright for them to make money off it then.

Site's still up too.

Rich_bloor

So, ive been to the cinema to watch a film (any film), i have paid to watch that film, do you think i should then be able to download it when i get home and watch it again for free?

FastFordChris

the fact is, the music industry needs to evolve and start to find other ways to make money, Trent Reznor from nin got the right idea as he gives his music away free, he makes enough money from touring.

Thrush

iTrader: (1)

What about those that bought albums or whatever on cassette years ago, and don't wnna have to pay again to have it on their iPod or on CD? Surely, paying for it on cassette entitles you to an end user license, and seeing as you paid royalties back then, why should you pay for it again?

PeterD

There is also the purist reason to all this.....why give money to highly profiting companies when i can get it free?

Tarantino said in an interview that he supported piracy because it made his films availabe for people to see in places where they cant be legitimately distributed.

Rich_bloor

I AGREE!

Steven_RW

I am not sure how you would recommend that, maybe using the forums for the site? I personally would be happy to send in a £5 no issues at all. It would be HILARIOUS to do it and I would love to back that proposal. If you don't put it up, I will figure out how to when I get back from work tonight.

RW

Fiddy

The music industry is in a huge decline as a whole and has been for years, people wont buy an album if they can have it for free, which in todays climate especially is perfectly understandable imho, especially as there is no real punishment for downloading, so why not download ?. but it costs a lot of money to put an album together from the get go, studio time on its own is expensive, then once the vocals have been layed over the music, the producers have to master the tracks, then you have advertising, promotion, filming the music video for the first track off the album etc, all of that before the album even hits the shelves, and that bill is footed by the record companys who obviously pay it on the understanding that they will recoup the money once the single/album is in the shops. then when the album/single does come out, sales are at an all time low, so they record companys are not getting the returns they did years ago, add that to the current financial climate, where people might not have the money to pay £12+ for a cd in the first place even if they want to buy it as they have bills to pay, so they download it for free. digital music is the future, you eliminate the cost of actually putting a physical product in the shops, but it will be difficult to come up with a proiftable way of doing it when you have torrents/forums/file sharing etc where you can get it for free. but the music business is exactally that, a business, and its one that is making no where near what they made years ago, and havnt been for a long time, so you have to appreciate that, its like any other business though, if your profit margins are down, you need to to come up with a way to improve them, but trying to outlaw or fine sites is like fighting a losing battle imho, as there is so many, and taking everyone to court will cost a fortune in itself.


As FF Chris said above, like trent reznor, a lot of artists are giving there music away for free, they have there own studios, producers etc, and can make a track/album in house so to speak, so are using other avenues to make money off it by touring etc. but thats for artists who own the rights to there own music, which most dont, most sign a deal with the record label and the label owns the music, so the artist has no rights to there own music. thats why if you can do it that way, you dont sign to the record label, you sign a distribution deal with label, you take the album/track to the label as a finished article, then they promote it, put it on CD and put it in the shops, for a percentage of the profits, leaving most of the profit to the artist, which imo, is where the majority of the money should be, in the artists pocket, not the record labels.

dojj

iTrader: (3)

you know what i think?
selling cd's and stuff is fine for those who want to sit on their arses and not do anything, they haven't "worked" for their money, just sat around and sang a few songs for the record peole to tweak

you now see a lot of artists live which is where they make their money, by working

not that i'm disputing sittin in a studio for a few days and then laying back to watch the money rolling in wasn't a legitamate way to coin it, but the times have changed and if you don't change with them, you lose out

if i want to see a film, i'll buy a pirated version for a pound or watch it online, then, if the film is worth going to see to get the full effects i'll go to the cinema, shell out on some food, find somewhere to park, pay for someone to babysit, etc it's all a lot of hard work to do to go and see a film that's shit, it's an easy £15 a head if you get food so if i can watch it again and again for a pound i'd be a fool not to take that option and then buy the dvd/bluray when it's released, and even then, from ebay as it's much cheaper

Big G

Piracy has its upsides, just look at hour many tours are on this year because the artists are feeling the pinch from downloading.

dojj

iTrader: (3)

the simple way to stop peole "stealing" music is to put a digital fingerprint onto it so that you can trace the various copies back to the source

but as soon as someone does this, a nerd in a dark room will figure out a way to crack the fingerprint just like they have with the software codes and random number generators which take milliseconds to do what it would take you a days wages to earn legitimatly

danneth

will be overturned at the appeal

foreigneRS

it's clearly not rubbish if you take it to it's logical conclusion.

back in the days of vinyl and tapes there still had to be a reasonable quantity of originals to go around from which to make copies - that's clearly no longer necessary with digital media over the internet. surely you can see a difference?

neilm

Ok, I take your point, but how long were you expecting this decline to take ?

Music is like nothing else I can think of in the way people connect with it.

I have a picture disc of the Sex Pistols Album, Never Mind the Bollocks, now at the time I bought it I already had the album on Vinyl and a copy on cassette and since buying it I've never played it, but I still bought it.

Now to some people thats madness but to others who collect music and want to have it its something different. People will buy it if its at the right price, the music industry, like the motor industry has just buried their heads thinking its all going to go on forever making bundles of cash.

But the market has changed.

I did like the Radiohead approach, have it for free and pay us what you think its worth, risky strategy, produce a shit album and no one will pay for it.

Jim Galbally

in this example you still own the tape, feel free to record it from tape to MP3 and listen to this. whats the problem?

dojj

iTrader: (3)

i think it's more complicated than that

you buy a recording
you own that particular recording
and can listen to it anywhere you want to
and copy it as many times as you wish
there is not a problem with that

the problem arises when you give it to someone else, you are then breaking the copywrite agreement you made when you bought it

that is the problem, or was back then when every recording detoriorated with the passage of time

nowadays you can make one cd available to everyone on the planet as soon as you've put it onto the internet, so reducing the potential sales of that to zero

the courts say that is breach of copywrite
the individual says that he has bought the sounds and paid the copywrite on them at point of purchase and can now do whatever they like

this is wrong and the whole case was flawed

until you can put into place, procedures that limit the transfer of music from the media it has been recorded to to other media you won't stop it