what about this barn find!!!
12-04-2009, 02:37 AM
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yeah im not saying 45 k was the exact figure quoted to andy when he bought it ,
but tony seemed quite specifc when he said 45 k and this engine made 800 hp ,
i was assuming he knew the details of the motor specifically ,
all im saying is that even if it was 30 k ,
no real thought for the fit and finish has been considered has it ?
i mean the brazed fule rails the turbo brace ,
i know it hasnt but it looks a bit slapped together and with a ohh that will do approach ,
maybe its just me or the bufty side in me ,
but fucks sake , whats a bit of powdercoating cost ?
i mean it dont even look like theve blanked off the dizzy in a neater fashon ??
you look a reylands engine bay, or nms ect ,
all could supply you with a 750 hp motor ,
and it would look a damm sight nicer imo
fucking lot of cash , id want part of it justifyied in the appearance ,
beef
but tony seemed quite specifc when he said 45 k and this engine made 800 hp ,
i was assuming he knew the details of the motor specifically ,
all im saying is that even if it was 30 k ,
no real thought for the fit and finish has been considered has it ?
i mean the brazed fule rails the turbo brace ,
i know it hasnt but it looks a bit slapped together and with a ohh that will do approach ,
maybe its just me or the bufty side in me ,
but fucks sake , whats a bit of powdercoating cost ?
i mean it dont even look like theve blanked off the dizzy in a neater fashon ??
you look a reylands engine bay, or nms ect ,
all could supply you with a 750 hp motor ,
and it would look a damm sight nicer imo
fucking lot of cash , id want part of it justifyied in the appearance ,
beef
there is no chance in this earth that an engine like that would cost 45k !!!
even if it was on a brand new block and head, linered 10stud, even with custon rods crank and pistons i wouldnt say it would go over 30k !
also agree with the presentation, but im sure andy will tidy it up abit to match the presentation of the car
12-04-2009, 03:37 AM
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I presume u lads are adding up the cost of a bunch of parts and saying that it can't cost Ł45k. Surely if any R&D was completed at the customers expense (ie to make a part that was suitable etc) the end bill could be astronomical. Labour and R&D rates could double the price of an engine.
To be clear, in case you miss my point, I am not saying that, I believe that particular engine was Ł45k, just that it would be easy to rack up a big bill if you started paying for people to make ground breaking changes thru R&D.
Cheers
RW
To be clear, in case you miss my point, I am not saying that, I believe that particular engine was Ł45k, just that it would be easy to rack up a big bill if you started paying for people to make ground breaking changes thru R&D.
Cheers
RW
12-04-2009, 03:41 AM
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Sure it would be easy Steven, but these type of engines are Julian Godfreys bread and butter are they not? why would you want to re invent the wheel at that cost as and benifit is surely only going to be marginal
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12-04-2009, 08:43 AM
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yeah it will be interesting to see how a high comp engine compares,, i know it should be alot more responsive but will it be as reliable??
12-04-2009, 08:44 AM
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its a propper pice of kit and it does what it needs to
top spec ultima dont have the fit and finnish of a new fiesta but i know what id rather have
top spec ultima dont have the fit and finnish of a new fiesta but i know what id rather have
12-04-2009, 08:50 AM
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yeah i'm glad i came across it as i would always use harvey to build my engines and he doesn't like to mix high power with high comp,, so atleast know i will know all the pros and cons
12-04-2009, 10:18 AM
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I am quite sure if Tony said that engine was 45k new then thats what it was as he is a JG customer after all and very few of us are so we don't know the ins and outs.
I'll admit the engine does look a bit shonky but its what it does that matters, Rallycross is not WRC, they only look nice once
I'll admit the engine does look a bit shonky but its what it does that matters, Rallycross is not WRC, they only look nice once
12-04-2009, 10:53 AM
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TA in two weeks ? Where is this held ? the first race at knockhill is still on the 26th ? isnt it ? Were doing a 500mile round trip to come watch. My Son loves you more than lewis hamilton lol he's only 5 
12-04-2009, 10:59 AM
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not being funny and i know its about what it does then how it looks,
but if that cost 45 fucking grand ,
well you think they may of made it a little more presentable ,
bit of powder coating here , paint there , lag the exhaust ect ,
looks like a peice of shit , like a 2nd hand engine in a concourse car ,
beef
but if that cost 45 fucking grand ,
well you think they may of made it a little more presentable ,
bit of powder coating here , paint there , lag the exhaust ect ,
looks like a peice of shit , like a 2nd hand engine in a concourse car ,
beef
Yeah, a nice bit of powder coating that stops you seeing if any of the welds have cracked would be mint
Numpty.
Racing isnt about pretty engines.
12-04-2009, 11:04 AM
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I presume u lads are adding up the cost of a bunch of parts and saying that it can't cost Ł45k. Surely if any R&D was completed at the customers expense (ie to make a part that was suitable etc) the end bill could be astronomical. Labour and R&D rates could double the price of an engine.
To be clear, in case you miss my point, I am not saying that, I believe that particular engine was Ł45k, just that it would be easy to rack up a big bill if you started paying for people to make ground breaking changes thru R&D.
Cheers
RW
To be clear, in case you miss my point, I am not saying that, I believe that particular engine was Ł45k, just that it would be easy to rack up a big bill if you started paying for people to make ground breaking changes thru R&D.
Cheers
RW
Agreed, even things like that inlet, which might look a bit ropey in some people's eyes, how many days did that take JG to design and produce (aside from having to source two rs200 inlets in the first place) and he isnt exactly on a fiver an hour
Custom engineering and R&D costs a fortune potentially.
12-04-2009, 11:37 AM
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Who gives a fuck what it looks like!!
So your telling me if a potential 800+ engine came up you would be put off by it's apparence?
Be serious, its designed to be ragged to death, rebuilt when needed, then ragged again. Thats it.
Reality check people
So your telling me if a potential 800+ engine came up you would be put off by it's apparence?
Be serious, its designed to be ragged to death, rebuilt when needed, then ragged again. Thats it.
Reality check people
12-04-2009, 11:55 AM
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power figures look amazing huge torque over a very wide rev range ,but & its a biggy for me the inlet & exhaust manifold do look a pile of shiiiit surely a m.i.s. inlet & a primary designs exhaust manifold would deliver the goods & look the part as well 
12-04-2009, 12:58 PM
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what is it . jump on fucking beefy day pmsl ,
surely if its put together properly , welds wont be an issue would they ?
and i did not say that ins not a great motor , i even said its not about looks its about what it does thats important ,
but it still looks shonky , i dont care what you fuckers say ,
as long as andys happy with what it does and what he paid thats all that matters ,
im just sayinf i would of expected a better fit and finish thats all ,
surely if its put together properly , welds wont be an issue would they ?
and i did not say that ins not a great motor , i even said its not about looks its about what it does thats important ,
but it still looks shonky , i dont care what you fuckers say ,
as long as andys happy with what it does and what he paid thats all that matters ,
im just sayinf i would of expected a better fit and finish thats all ,
12-04-2009, 01:26 PM
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well beef i must admit i'm with you on this pal, an engine over 20k and what could soar to mid 40's should look as good as it go's
12-04-2009, 03:00 PM
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I wounder what the difference in spec is between this and Rodney's Saph they are both highish comp and make similar power but l bet rods does not look like it has been pulled out a scrapper,
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12-04-2009, 03:12 PM
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but when you have SUCH a highly respected car the whole package needs to match each other, the car is very well looked after and everything is presented very well, by going and bunging a scrap looking engine in really looks bad imo,
as said its a whole package that represents his company, all of it should be done to the same standard
12-04-2009, 03:14 PM
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but when you have SUCH a highly respected car the whole package needs to match each other, the car is very well looked after and everything is presented very well, by going and bunging a scrap looking engine in really looks bad imo,
as said its a whole package that represents his company, all of it should be done to the same standard
as said its a whole package that represents his company, all of it should be done to the same standard
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12-04-2009, 03:19 PM
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but when you have SUCH a highly respected car the whole package needs to match each other, the car is very well looked after and everything is presented very well, by going and bunging a scrap looking engine in really looks bad imo,
as said its a whole package that represents his company, all of it should be done to the same standard
as said its a whole package that represents his company, all of it should be done to the same standard
jim if i came to you to buy an engine and you told me its say Ł5000 for the engine, then Ł100 to make it look nice, i would tell you not to bother, im really not interested in 'looking nice' under the engine bay, the body of the cars yes, as thats what my contributors want to see, and when they come for a ride, the inside looks ok for a non competitor, the rest is of no interests.
shall we get the mirrors out after a stage for the bufties to have a look underneath at the gravel and stone rash, with wet mud dripping all over?
hmmm i dont think so.
12-04-2009, 03:21 PM
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You would think Markk that what some consider a finished product consists of more than what was shown in the picture, for 45k l would want it to look pretty fucking good as well as produce the goods
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12-04-2009, 03:27 PM
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12-04-2009, 03:34 PM
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Has anyone thought that engine is probably quite bloody old now
Rods engine to be fair doesn't look that special either except for the 42R hanging off the side of it.
So who's going to be next in saying a x wrc Subaru isn't worth x amount becuase its covered in stone chips and the engine bay isn't concourse ?
Andrews car is built to great standard and does always look fresh but tbh I should think people who matter consider how it performs and how reliable it is over what it looks like.
I know of a Ford that 90% of this site would wank themselves stupid over, its worth WAY more than that engine but its dog rough though so does that mean its shit and overpriced, hmm I don't think so.
Rods engine to be fair doesn't look that special either except for the 42R hanging off the side of it.
So who's going to be next in saying a x wrc Subaru isn't worth x amount becuase its covered in stone chips and the engine bay isn't concourse ?
Andrews car is built to great standard and does always look fresh but tbh I should think people who matter consider how it performs and how reliable it is over what it looks like.
I know of a Ford that 90% of this site would wank themselves stupid over, its worth WAY more than that engine but its dog rough though so does that mean its shit and overpriced, hmm I don't think so.
12-04-2009, 03:39 PM
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This doesn't mean the engne is recently built though, I spent a while looking through Godfreys site earlier and I'd saythat inlet was a very old design considering what was on some of the engines pictured, after all it is a RS200 inlet and I've seen modern Rallycross YB's running an MIS so I'd of thought it would have one of them if it was a current specced engine.
12-04-2009, 03:45 PM
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Some fucking idiots on this thread. Its a racing car who cares what it looks like. Hope it lasts mate... you still getting another engine from harvey?