FFS, I know why Phil broke his car now...(UPDTAED)
02-12-2004, 07:58 PM
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FFS, I know why Phil broke his car now...(UPDTAED)
Well, mine has just broke down AGAIN!!!
Driving along fine, just coming onto boost and 'pop, pop, BANG!' goes the exhaust, engine dies and coast to a holt
Panic 'cos in the middle of picking up kiddie from school rush hour with buses behind me etc etc
Pulled off road and wait there for a while, try to start car and the whole thing just shakes
Well, first point of call - check for a spark. Did this first of all by resting coil lead against the engine hook - saw spark
Then tested a HT lead with tester - fine it sparks
Ring up breakdown ROFL!!!
He comes out, we test numerous things, changed fuel ECU's with no joy
Phone call to Philip Eddowes and we explain we have also loosened the fuel supply from fileter to metering head and not much fuel pressure there, infact just a dribble
Also re-primed system a few times to build pressure back up, undo injector fuel line and - nothing!!!! not even a dribble
Phil explains that the system works on pressure, not fuel supply (take his word for it) and that it wouldn't leak when turned over etc etc
So, 5 hours from first breaking down at 3.13pm I eventually see a flatbed turning up to take me home
What have I got to do people, is it really all worth this hassle????
Driving along fine, just coming onto boost and 'pop, pop, BANG!' goes the exhaust, engine dies and coast to a holt
Panic 'cos in the middle of picking up kiddie from school rush hour with buses behind me etc etc
Pulled off road and wait there for a while, try to start car and the whole thing just shakes
Well, first point of call - check for a spark. Did this first of all by resting coil lead against the engine hook - saw spark
Then tested a HT lead with tester - fine it sparks
Ring up breakdown ROFL!!!
He comes out, we test numerous things, changed fuel ECU's with no joy
Phone call to Philip Eddowes and we explain we have also loosened the fuel supply from fileter to metering head and not much fuel pressure there, infact just a dribble
Also re-primed system a few times to build pressure back up, undo injector fuel line and - nothing!!!! not even a dribble
Phil explains that the system works on pressure, not fuel supply (take his word for it) and that it wouldn't leak when turned over etc etc
So, 5 hours from first breaking down at 3.13pm I eventually see a flatbed turning up to take me home
What have I got to do people, is it really all worth this hassle????
02-12-2004, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamz
Drive it down to APT and leave it there! I'm sure between them Gary and Christian will sort it out.
I have been told they have logged it as a 'no recovery' so I can get it taken to APT if needs be for no charge to myself
When I rang, Gary and Christian were out mapping (had a very short, but friendly chat with Beccy on the phone though (she was washing the car ROFL!!)
Originally Posted by Jamz
It'll start in the morning, betchya
p.s Also took cambelt cover off to check if it had stripped a tooth on the pulley - it hadn't
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02-12-2004, 08:53 PM
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Jake, yes mate
We also checked all hoses and I had a good feel arround them
We also checked the jubilee clips to make sure I hadn't snapped one of those (have done before)
We also checked all hoses and I had a good feel arround them
We also checked the jubilee clips to make sure I hadn't snapped one of those (have done before)
02-12-2004, 09:13 PM
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Can I just say a HUGE thank you to Ashley for coming out to me on his way home from work so I could keep warm in his car and just for being suvh a great mate when I need himi and vice versa
He stayed with me for 4 hours of the five - what a gent!!
Cheers buddy
He stayed with me for 4 hours of the five - what a gent!!
Cheers buddy
02-12-2004, 09:31 PM
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1/2 tank of Shell's finest, done 86 miles to the first 1/2 tank ROFL!!
mostly used Tuesday night at Norfolk meeting
mostly used Tuesday night at Norfolk meeting
03-12-2004, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by AndyRST
James reckon it could be related to this cold start problem you been having?
Who's car where they mapping
Who's car where they mapping
James and Rick, I know mate - got a new fuel filter to fit this morning and it that don't work, going to get recovered to APT tomorrow and get a replacement metering head fitted
03-12-2004, 10:21 AM
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totally understand mate, and mine aint really broken, just a butchered boost pipe keeps popping off 
fooking hassle, think maybe fishing aint so stupid
fooking hassle, think maybe fishing aint so stupid
03-12-2004, 10:46 AM
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Way too complicated for me to understand, give me stuff to check whilst car is still here rather than at APT and I'll go do it as tools are by the side of the car as replacing the fuel filter now as 'maybe' it just might help (wishful thinking at it's best) ROFL
03-12-2004, 11:25 AM
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UPDATE!!!
Right, chhanged fuel filter and primed systema few times to fill it up etc etc etc
right, still won't start LOL
BUT...
There's a 'pot' to the back endof the metering head with 2 black pipes coming off the top (fuel lines) and when I turn keys off it goes something like this...'clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk' louder then getting quiter as it goes on (does it about 3-4 times)
Why??
Right, chhanged fuel filter and primed systema few times to fill it up etc etc etc
right, still won't start LOL
BUT...
There's a 'pot' to the back endof the metering head with 2 black pipes coming off the top (fuel lines) and when I turn keys off it goes something like this...'clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk' louder then getting quiter as it goes on (does it about 3-4 times)
Why??
03-12-2004, 11:27 AM
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Not sure the best way to check the pressure regulator, but basically it holds the fuel at a cirtain pressure, if its broke than it just lets the fuel drain back into the tank and there will be no pressure.
With the outlet of the fuel filter disconnected, turn the ignition on and using a bowl see how much fuel comes out, if it pumps loads out the chances are its the pressure regulator.
Matt.
With the outlet of the fuel filter disconnected, turn the ignition on and using a bowl see how much fuel comes out, if it pumps loads out the chances are its the pressure regulator.
Matt.
03-12-2004, 11:30 AM
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Matt, explain a little more if you can
You mean the bottom (outlet pipe that goes to metering head) let it obviously drain of fuel from filter yeah
Then what...
PM me and phone me if you prefer
You mean the bottom (outlet pipe that goes to metering head) let it obviously drain of fuel from filter yeah
Then what...
PM me and phone me if you prefer
03-12-2004, 11:34 AM
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Yeah disconnect the bottom fuel filter outlet.
Turn your ignition on as if you was priming the system.
You should get loads of fuel pumping out.
You need to find where the fuel system is loosing the pressure.
I believe it can be one of 2 places (assuming there are no leaks!!)
1, the non return valve (which i think is on one end of the fuel pump)
2, the fuel pressure regulator.
Turn your ignition on as if you was priming the system.
You should get loads of fuel pumping out.
You need to find where the fuel system is loosing the pressure.
I believe it can be one of 2 places (assuming there are no leaks!!)
1, the non return valve (which i think is on one end of the fuel pump)
2, the fuel pressure regulator.
03-12-2004, 11:46 AM
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Fook me, that's something I can test, but sure as hell can;t test for fuel pressure ROFL!!
Will go did it after some grub and a hot drink mate (it's very cold out there today) , Thanks for your help
Will go did it after some grub and a hot drink mate (it's very cold out there today) , Thanks for your help
03-12-2004, 02:17 PM
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Matt, cracked off pipe from metering head that comes from fuel filter
I tell you now - there's plenty of pressure there ROFL!!!
Person holding fuel line didn;t want to go no further as was saying it must be supplying fuel because new filter had been filled up with fuel...
anyway, primed system again a few times, did same to an injector fuel line and NO pressure there
I tell you now - there's plenty of pressure there ROFL!!!
Person holding fuel line didn;t want to go no further as was saying it must be supplying fuel because new filter had been filled up with fuel...
anyway, primed system again a few times, did same to an injector fuel line and NO pressure there
03-12-2004, 02:23 PM
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I'm thinking it could still be one of 2 things then:
1, fuel pressure regulator
2, mettering head, the square bit that has the 5 pipes has a diaphram in it.
I don't know how you would test these though, without swaping them for a spare one.
1, fuel pressure regulator
2, mettering head, the square bit that has the 5 pipes has a diaphram in it.
I don't know how you would test these though, without swaping them for a spare one.
03-12-2004, 02:28 PM
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BTW, have also cracked two of the outlets ontop on metering head (fuel supply to injectors) and turned over - nothing spills out...
I still get the clunk, clunk, cluink kid of noise too - sounds like coming from accumulator to me...
I still get the clunk, clunk, cluink kid of noise too - sounds like coming from accumulator to me...
03-12-2004, 02:37 PM
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Hi there,
My mate had the same problem and its came down to 3 things in the end !
1. He jumped a tooth so cam belt wasnt on right
2. Had 2 pin pricks in the boost hoses that really did effect this from not working propley !
3. The metering unit wasnt 100%
Also may i add when u crack the car over not a great deal of fuel will leak out of the metering unit but if a undo the fuel filter it will piss out big time ! I dont know y this is just one of thoses things !
My mate had the same problem and its came down to 3 things in the end !
1. He jumped a tooth so cam belt wasnt on right
2. Had 2 pin pricks in the boost hoses that really did effect this from not working propley !
3. The metering unit wasnt 100%
Also may i add when u crack the car over not a great deal of fuel will leak out of the metering unit but if a undo the fuel filter it will piss out big time ! I dont know y this is just one of thoses things !
03-12-2004, 02:38 PM
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Any tuners that can help me??
I'd like to try and get this fixed myself
Rang APT, Christian is busy and Gary is working...
Rang MSD too and Stu said I caught him at bad moment and is busy...
What can I do, just want the thing working
I'd like to try and get this fixed myself
Rang APT, Christian is busy and Gary is working...
Rang MSD too and Stu said I caught him at bad moment and is busy...
What can I do, just want the thing working
03-12-2004, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin B
Bad news mate, you always seem to have one problem or another with it
Most annoying thing was flying Tuesday night, best it had in a very long time
Ryan, I totally understand why people do it now - pieces of junk unless they are running right (not very often)
06-12-2004, 09:39 PM
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i had this same problem and it was the black ecu for the metering head! had to try 2 as the first one didn't work! spent ages of time and money trying to fix this when all came down to was the first ecu was a dud!