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Old 21-03-2009, 08:48 PM
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i picked mine up today when i got home i took the rev switch and looked at the teeth i could,nt beleave how big they were i was truely shocked no wonder the dont break thanks james
Old 21-03-2009, 08:49 PM
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excellent boxes.
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No problem mate
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cant wait now to get it in
Old 21-03-2009, 08:54 PM
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whats the beemer like m8
Old 21-03-2009, 08:57 PM
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fookin awesome mate, im in love with it already
Old 21-03-2009, 09:03 PM
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You mean teeth like these Dave?



Instead of weedy teeth like this:



You just wait till you hear the noise when it's in! They sound awesome, not too noisey, bloody cool in fact!

Plus unless driving like an arse or with 600+ bhp you should find breaking it very tricky!

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Old 21-03-2009, 09:09 PM
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how much are they??
Old 21-03-2009, 09:14 PM
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I was shocked aswell when i took the switch out of my box ,the teeth were atleast the same size as my old R&D box but it wasnt near as loud on the road.
Old 21-03-2009, 09:18 PM
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si the wife has her ear muffs ready
Old 21-03-2009, 10:10 PM
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Dave she will need them lol.
Old 21-03-2009, 10:13 PM
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i know you got yours going again now
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oh dave...


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You say weedy teeth in regards to the helical teeth, but I've read a few pages of info, that of course may be wrong, that they are no weaker then straight cut teeth?

The reasons given for using straight cut teeth is for ease of manufacture, as its far easier to make straight cut gear sets then helical ones?

Of course nothing is as straight forward as first seems, and i'm sure that there is a lot more to it then that in terms of tooth design, loadings and materials etc, but what is the general thoughts on this, are straight cuts stronger or is this just a pub myth?

Heres one bit of text of explanation, though its not scientific in any way!

http://www.calverst.com/M-articles/1...nd%20noise.htm

Design. The original idea behind straight-cut gears (cut at 90 degrees across the gear) was really ease of manufacture. Where limited numbers of gears are made for development – be it standard or motorsport – straight-cut gears are far cheaper and easier to produce. A multitude of gear ratio options being available by ‘correcting’ proper tooth profiles to suit - excruciatingly difficult and not economically viable with helical teeth where very much more expensive tooling’s needed. Other bonuses were reduced loads and drag inherent in the helical (cut at an angle across the gear) design – therefore leaving more power to drive the car. That straight-cuts are stronger than helical gears is a myth. Helical cut teeth run quieter as they’re almost constantly engaged, also eliminating shock loads. They’re stronger through better tooth root design and more load-bearing area – the helical angle increasing overall tooth length and surface area by a small but appreciable amount.

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Old 21-03-2009, 10:26 PM
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sweet m8 thanks again
Old 21-03-2009, 10:28 PM
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wow.look at the size of those teeth.sweet boxes and a must for big bhp
Old 21-03-2009, 10:31 PM
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really finishes a good 4x4 off! should be well cool!!
Old 21-03-2009, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by cossiedave
si the wife has her ear muffs ready
Lol, she'll love it more than you do I reckon
Old 22-03-2009, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Si B
You mean teeth like these Dave?



Instead of weedy teeth like this:



You just wait till you hear the noise when it's in! They sound awesome, not too noisey, bloody cool in fact!

Plus unless driving like an arse or with 600+ bhp you should find breaking it very tricky!

Si

Si B those pics you have posted is that what the inside of a 4x4 box looks like when you take the reverse sensor switch off?

If not what can you see when you do take the switch off?

Also if a gearbox is already fitted onto the car can the reverse switch be easily accessed and removed to take a look inside?

Thanks

Reiss K

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Old 22-03-2009, 12:45 PM
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Yes that the view through the reverse switch, if its fitted to a car you can get the switch outthen use a mirror to see in the box but its a bit tight.
Old 22-03-2009, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by reisskahn
Si B those pics you have posted is that what the inside of a 4x4 box looks like when you take the reverse sensor switch off?

If not what can you see when you do take the switch off?

Also if a gearbox is already fitted onto the car can the reverse switch be easily accessed and removed to take a look inside?

Thanks

Reiss K
Yep that's what you see when you peer inside!

As per Neil above, you'll prob need a decent light and a mirror if trying to do it on car!

Good way to check on your gearbox internals if you suspect anything is wrong!

Si
Old 22-03-2009, 12:50 PM
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Got to love straight cut
I dont think i could cope on a road car though, the bloody rally car i nav in does my sweed in, and thats only semi helical!
Old 22-03-2009, 12:52 PM
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I didnt find the Bara box too bad on the road the noise was easily drowned out by the stereo and exhaust, wheres with the R&D dog box you had to prity much shout inside the car
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Neil A & Si B thanks for the info

Just another question if you do look inside a standard box will the teeth look like the ones in the second pic and anything none standard will look bigger or different from the second pic?

And if that is the case does that mean the whole box is uprated or not always?

Finally in the pics what part of the box is that 3rd gear or something?

Thanks

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This is with the R&D straight cut, you can hear the box from when the car is at the top of the hill

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the bara box noise sounds as though the car is in reverse,that type of noise, its not intrusive whatsoever.
Old 23-03-2009, 09:06 PM
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neil a your mad what speed where you doing on that tinny lane
Old 23-03-2009, 10:12 PM
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I love the noise of the Bara box, I'd have one in the saff if i did not need the money for other things !
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Originally Posted by cossiedave
neil a your mad what speed where you doing on that tinny lane
Wasnt that fast as i was rolling down the hill in 2nd waiting for the road to clear, for the pics so that was only the 3rd to 4th shift you can hear.
Old 23-03-2009, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cossiedave
i know you got yours going again now
Yes mate got the old girl running, just need to get a
few miles done check for leak's lol.
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Or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hajkXiKGGP8
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