dojj

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whats the phone line number to grass them up?

thanks

Elvis

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Dojj, not being funny but live and let live.you could end up tearing a family apart and keep food from a childs mouth..

fuzzy

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/co...tspage/191679/

155lee

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0800the government doesnt care.

Ginge !

dojji,,, dont take this the wrong way but whats the REAL difference between your family comming here to make a better life for them self and someone whos escaping hell,, risking everything to come here in the hope to make a better life for them self ???

im surprised that someone who family live elsewhere feels that others should not be allowed to live where they want

not all illegals are criminals,,,, infact lots of them have jobs and you dont even realise they aint ment to be here

how many brazilian mates you got for example ???

The Rapid 1

Ye and it soft cunts like you making this country like it is

If their country that bad they gotta come over here to "put food in their childs mouth" maybe they SHOULDNT HAVE HAD A KID IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY where they new the score in the first place !

And maybe if they wernt over here then half the people being put out of work at the moment would stand a MUCH better chance of finding a new job

FOOK EM OFF back to their own shitty country.

GOOD on ya Dojj

Ginge !

you REALLY think its illegals that are stopping most english people from working ??

what about the other races that came over here in the last 100 years,,, schools are 70% ethnic these days,,, open your eyes,,, times have changed,,,,,, we are all ONE WORLD !!!,, we are all the SAME people inside

would you not wanna leave somewhere to make a better life for your family,,,, well you have a job so you MUST be someone who wants the best for hes family

i never started to REALLY pay attention till i had a kid,, thats when things change and you HAVE to started knuckling down,,,, and ive been fortunate in my life so have alot of breaks so i dont ahve to be a real grafter

RWD_cossie_wil

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999 , tell them they are speeding and have an out of date tax disc, they will be round in seconds

The Rapid 1

Ginge, NOT making this into a racist thing, I know we cant send back all those that come over generations ago, BUT how this country got over the last few years , and no it isnt just ILLEGAL imigrants making this country and the unemployment situation bad , but allowing however many thousands of our "European brothers and sisters" in IS !

We voted in a government to run OUR country for ITS best interestsn NOT whats in the best interests of the rest of the world FFS we should stand up for GREAT Britain and say NO, no more imigration whatsoever. How many unemployed we got now in this country how many more week by week.

And as far as putting food in their kids mouths you do realise for THEM their kids dont even have to be in this country for them to claim benefits for them, where as some UK mums CANT. Dont know exactly how or why but I know there was a bitch fight in our canteen cos of it where some Polish tart was boasting about it, and the brit woman who couldnt was a bit pissed over it, I wonder why.

I know at the next election I will be voting a lot more "radically" and think a lot of other people will to.

And yes you are right about having a kid and giving him the best I can , BUT I feel very lucky cos yes my factory has been closed and I have been made redundant, but got the first job I went for , means four grand a year less tho, so i gotta survive on Ł300 a month less, aint worked out how im gonna do it yet , but ye I got meself another job, but I got a trade and am good at my job, not just willing to work for nothing which is twice as much to some of these imigrants.

Steve

S1rst

Very true, but on the other hand, by NOT doing something about it, you are potentially tearing a family apart and keeping food from a childs mouth that has the right to be here.

Pardeep

The Difference is that when we came to this country we didn't take shit from people and worked our asses off to have what we have now. We came here and applied for citizenship and passed. We also didn't work for 2/3quid a hour. We knew what a honest living was.

Now they come into this country and work for stupid pounds a hour and We, the ones who have followed the rules are sitting out jobless. Its not just Us, Its Mostly the whole of England. We've done everything that needed to be done to live in this country and be a British Citizen so we can live a HONEST LIVING.

Half these immigrants take out as many loans as they can and fuck right off back home so they have enough money to not work back there. Do you find that fair?

The Rapid 1

ALOT of imigrants HAVE the right to be here, legaly, what about them ones, are you happy to keep food on there plates and not the British citizens plate ???

Elvis

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You need to look to Tony Blair and Gordon brown for blaim in why the country is like it is.

You dont know why these people are here, and to be honest if you came from one of them countries you would try and come here.

If it was not for migration we would have a total lack of Doctors, Nurses, Specialists in hospitals, Teachers etc etc.
this country would be on it knees without migrant workers.

Try following you family history back as far as you can and you will find you decend from migrants too.

Live and let live, cant find a job? its not the fault of migrants.

Brookesy

We got a load of immigrants at out work & we got raided just before xmas. Loads of them got taken away for being illegal & they found most of them didnt have driving licences either.

What gets me is they say their students so they end up not having to pay any tax

What thing that pisses me of the most is they say they can't go back to their own country as they'll be killed yet they go back there for their hoildays.

truthordare

This is true, a friend of mine owns a restaurant and employs 12 British staff, he often has foreigners coming in asking what he pays his staff and offering to work for half that!! All he has to do is get rid of the people who have stuck by him for years Luckily he has some scruples and tells them where to go but lots of business owners would (and do) jump at the chance of cheaper labour, so those that say they don't do British people out of work are very wrong indeed, they simply undercut us constantly.

Debs

Pardeep

Exactly!!! British companies are also selling the british and british born OUT. They get rid of people that have been with companies for years just because someone will work half of what they get paid. Its Wrong!!!

Ginge !

sorry but its the EMPLOYERS who are at fault here !!!, the english people who are aint willing to pay there staff decent wages in a attempt to make THEM richer,,,, not the people working for the cheep wages

if the problem is the illegal working and NOT the employer,,,,,,, is the drug addict the problem and not the dealer,,,, is the person who steals the car the problem or the person who BUYS the stolen parts ???

with drugs they concentrate on catching the source rather than the end product as thats how you get rid of the issue,,, YET with imagrants its about catching the end product and not the ones who employ them,,,,,,usually BIG companys too

i used to work for a council and they even employed illegal imagrants,,, they didnt bother doing the right checks and this was a fucking council !!!

fuzzy

its exactly the same in the building trade. hopefully those bosses that shit on the local workers will be the ones that go bankrupt.

S1rst

But we were on about illegals weren't we? Hence why my post implied that illegals DONT have the right to be here. So an illegal worker is potentially taking food from the mouth a ''legal' child.

Of course LEGAL immigrants have the right to be here by law. Now whether so many should have been allowed into the UK in the first place, is a matter of opinion.

Pardeep

Really? Thats one fucked up situation. The council hiring without background check? See this is how fucked up Britain has got lol

dojj

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update in the morning as the council have already made a visit and called me to discuss what to do next

i just want to keep all my options open, and possibly fuck the guy who has been lieing to me for the past 2 weeks

Ginge !

we are all human !!!,,, id rather have a illegal working here as they are NOT a strain on the government !!!, the LEGAL people here claiming they cant get jobs due to health issues/addiction to jeremy kyle are the ones i fucking hate !!!

we are all humans, we should respect one another rather than look and people as another kind,,,,, its still racism but its accepted racism,, just like it was back in the 60's/70's and we all hated the brown boys from over the water,,, that many of us never had a issue shaging there daughters/sisters ect and even some marrying them, then blaiming them fo taking our jobs

WAKE THE FUCK UP,,, also heres another interesting thing i know of,, did you now that some councilors used to pay there council tax with there expenses,,, then when that was not allowed they just refused to pay it as they belive that they should be except from it

thats just in this borough i live in,,, with the govenment workers screwing us over all the time for cash we are paying,,,,,, if i took the time to aim my anger i would hate the fucking world,,,, instead i look at people who are NOT part of the system taking cash from my pocket and apriciate them

someone working for 2 quid a hour will still have to pay rent/shopping ect the same as we all do at the same rate,,,,, so he will actually have to work HARDER to get the same wages as me !

The Rapid 1

NO Ginge you are wrong !

You can look at it like this, the British EMPLOYER can see a way to make HIS and his families life better (in the same way as imigrants see the UK ! ). THAT is by having less money to fork out of his profits on staff wages each week, and wages are one of a companies biggest outgoings, so much more profit to him.

NOW if he didnt have the option to employ these imigrants who does it leave for him to HAVE to employ

SO dont keep banging on about how much greater THIS country is NOW we are a world rather than a country, I for 1 dont think it any better than 20-30 years ago Its like when I was young and old people used to talk about being able to go out and just leave their doors OPEn, not unlocked but open ! Was a lot closer to what it was like then in my days compared to what it is now, a better WORLD/ country I dont think so, we just got worse and now live like other countries do in FEAR on our own streets , thanks alot PC brigade lets let loads more in and drag the country down a bit lower, and just to prove the point why dont we do a quick search of posts about saying how shit it is to go out on the town these days and how people would rather stay in and drink at night, rather than out socialising in pubs and clubs, like the poor guy that got his jaw busted the other night, sure he thinks it a wonderful place !!!

Steve

The Rapid 1

NO he dont have to work harder for the same money, BECAUSE that job NOW only pays that much, cos it like a car, it worth what someone willing to pay for it, but in reverse, the job is only valued at what people are willing to do the work for, ie enough people to work in a certain job for a pound then that all that job has to pay !
AND when they earning that same pound as you, as long as they go "HOME" for two weeks of the year, then they DONT pay as much tax as you, so they in effect earn more than you for the same job. And yes that the same home they COULDNT go home to before as someone else stated .
And as far as buying food etc, AGAIN CRAP, they get it sent over at Polish prices, same as fags and I guess booze to, and that when they not getting food tickets.
And the same as earnings tax the same goes for car tax, as long as their car registered over there and they take it with them for there two week break they dont have to tax the car either.

Oh how great they all screwing us left right and right up the center

Oh sorry was some of that a bit rascist or not PC, im ever so sorry if I offended anyone


NOT !

S1rst

Well yes they do have to pay rent and bills like everyone else, the difference is that they have 10 to house so its divided by 10 So there costs are 10% of everyone else and they dont get 10% of the wages everyone else gets so they must be raking it in!

Pardeep

Hey Man, I'm indian and i agree with what your saying and i don't think its racist. You have made a valid point. Its like i said before, When our families came into this country we knew what was needed to make a Honest Living. We knew we had to become citizens and follow the British Rules. Now days, they come here, work for peanuts and split the cost of living between 10 of them.

What i was saying to Ginge (which he disagrees with) is that when our folks arrived into this country we did what we were told so we could have that great life. You don't see any of these immigrants doing that. They work take as many credit cards and loans out and fuck off back home. Its not about how bad their country is at this moment.

rst in breaking

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illegal immigrants annoy me tbh, the come here, live say 10 people in a house, work for low money that legal people cant afford and they send the money they do earn home so dont even help our country or pay tax etc its just take take take

The Rapid 1

Well actually good glad you see it for what it is
Your ancestors came here to MAKE A LIFE, NOT rape the system, you and yours have paid into society. In my eyes that gives you the same rights as me, as someone else said it only depends how far back you want to trace roots etc, but as said your and my ancestors wanted to be here and have there life here, not come for a quick buck then fook off once they had exhausted the country.

I havent even started on why or how it cos of imigrants more than helped in the closure of my company . Not least being the way the company was able to employ or rather not with FOUR coach loads of imigrant agency workers turning up at each shift change, or the fact of there standards of work, or understanding of standards required to work in a food industry, or even being able to understand or read English to know what they nned to do !!!

Steve

Pardeep

Bravo. Well Said Mate!!! 100%!!!

Psycho Warren

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The difference is Dojj's family are here LEGALLY and pay thier taxes benefiting the UK.

These people fleeing from such war zones as iraq etc (why the fuck they still come here when we have soldiers there to protect them?? ) have the CHOICE to register for asylum LEGALLY, they chose not to and to be illegals draining on our society etc yet not paying taxes to put something back.

boothy

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As said on pheonix nights " send the buggers back"

Paddy

"Illegals" taking jobs at lower wages???

Maybe the ones trained monkeys could do.

People should start looking closer to home before blaming governments and those trying to find a better life.

Stay in school kids.

Then they won't be after your jobs.

Someone above [probably Ginge, I only skim read his posts] mentioned the 60s/70s. It wasn't so long ago historically that the British "Empire" stretched around the world. We raped, pillaged, stole and enslaved.

What goes around.

Glenn_

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Wow what an iteresting post.How come austraila doesnt let them all in.

Turbocabbie

fair play to dojj, its the right thing to do.

illegal workers do not contribute to society with taxes, also the usually lower wages gives employers who take on illegal workers a competitive edge as their staff are often working longer hours for below the minimum wage as such honest companies operating legally within the law usually have greater overheads and find it harder to compete.

Stopping this is better for society and business as whole imho

GARETH T

i say if they are from another country and want to work here, pay our taxes and be legally registered all is good! and well done for bettering yourself and familt!

if you are illegal in this country, not paying the taxes, couldnt get granted a visa, we havent a clue who you are if your or your family commit crimes, then fuck off!

dojj

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to cut a long story short, i have emailed the link posted to ask for someone to come and have a look and check their credentials

i'm sure that, as a general labourer digging a garden or clearing up rubbish for you for Ł40 a day it's not going to collapse the ecomony and ther are several times where me and my family have employed these sorts of chaps

but when it comes to "skilled" professionals, then i think it's a different kettle of fish as you can't do those jobs yourself, in the same way that you could kart a bag of grass cuttings to the local dump or sweep the gutters out, you couldn't build an extension or put a window in without called on an expert to do it

if you only need to earn a 10th of the salary then you can under cut everyone, but where does it stop? the legitimate businesses go bust and all you are left with are some pikeys who will show up, do some work, not garantee it and then fuck off again

not on

especially when he wanted 5 times the price to do a job

you break the law knowing that you should be able to deal with the consequences

G2RSR

I think your missed the point they are taking the top jobs building , timber , factory , driving jobs etc working for a lot lower wage because they have 10 people living in a 2 bed house its all shared between them inc bills

so for a british man to compete and live on that wage he will also have to be single living in a 2 bed with 10 people

Psycho Warren

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Plus its not 1 or 2 illegals but hundreds in every single big town and city, thats hundreds of jobs people out of work (not the scroungers!! but those made redundant etc) could do.

It's Czech Mate

Really? I think they are by definition Thats what illegal means


As said by others on this thread, you have to blame the employer unless the employer is being conned with false documents.

timrud

Totally agree here.

You have to remember for the purpose of crime detection these guys are pritty much off the radar. They can go on crime waves and move on from place to place. Like pikeys but worse

So they know the rules don't apply to them, they have no respect for anything. They just leach the life out of the country, like a virus spreading.