leaving car in gear?
09-02-2009, 08:26 PM
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yea my dad has driven all his life and has instructed to drive many vehicles and he's always taught me to dip the clutch it saves the starter and help's the battery in such cold climate if you start the car with the clutch down let it start and then steady itself pull the clutch up and you'll hear the note change as it takes the strain of the gearbox turning with cold oil in it so it deffo is a useful tip, even my driving instructor thought it was weird but he was a new boy so deffo went with my old man and still did it even though he said not to bother 
and i always leave mine in gear mainly to stop it being pinched but you never no if the handbrake is to fail so better safe than sorry imo.
and i always leave mine in gear mainly to stop it being pinched but you never no if the handbrake is to fail so better safe than sorry imo.
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09-02-2009, 08:31 PM
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What's turning inside a gearbox if it is in neutral?
And I never leave mine in gear or dip the clutch when I start it. I always park my car in my garden which is totally flat and it won't roll anywhere.
And I never leave mine in gear or dip the clutch when I start it. I always park my car in my garden which is totally flat and it won't roll anywhere.
..bare in mind i havent even bin driving a year unlike all the professionals in the house
09-02-2009, 09:12 PM
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I'm not meaning to offend but quite frankly, why would u even entertain your missus opinion on whether it is weird or not, especially considering that she probably doesn't understand WHY you are leacving it in gear,
I recall getting a call at knockhill from a mate " Hey Stevie, u got a mate with a saph cossie in the paddock" "Aye" "tell him to get over here, his handbrake has failed and the only reason its not in the wall is my steel toe cap under the tyre stopping it rolling away"
That was dumpeds nice saph cos.
Can't understand why anyone would not leave it in gear. That little bit harder to steal too.
RW
I recall getting a call at knockhill from a mate " Hey Stevie, u got a mate with a saph cossie in the paddock" "Aye" "tell him to get over here, his handbrake has failed and the only reason its not in the wall is my steel toe cap under the tyre stopping it rolling away"
That was dumpeds nice saph cos.
Can't understand why anyone would not leave it in gear. That little bit harder to steal too.
RW
09-02-2009, 09:13 PM
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It's an old persons thing, if not that old then you've probably inherited form your dad or something
I used to do it when I had old cars with crap handbrakes but Jap stuff just doesn't need the worry.
Only time I'd do it os on a steep hill.
I used to do it when I had old cars with crap handbrakes but Jap stuff just doesn't need the worry.
Only time I'd do it os on a steep hill.
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09-02-2009, 10:40 PM
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If at a track day , don't put your handbrake on after you come back into the paddock from your session.
Once the discs contracts your car will roll across the paddock, as this Polo did a few years ago at Snett. Red face time from the Circuit driver staff member who's car it was.
Once the discs contracts your car will roll across the paddock, as this Polo did a few years ago at Snett. Red face time from the Circuit driver staff member who's car it was.
10-02-2009, 02:29 AM
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when i owned my 205gti the handbrake cable snapped and i lived on hill...first was my handbrake.lucky i can drive properly ,but im not saying i didnt have any nearmissis and i didnt fix it for about 2months
10-02-2009, 02:31 AM
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ooh somone once told me if you leave your car in gear the oil drains off the gears quicker i laphed hard at him ...why would u need the oil to drain off u need it for protection lol
10-02-2009, 04:20 AM
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Always leave it in gear, tell her she's weird that she does not ?
Wait, what's her excuse she might forget and try and start it in gear, lol i have heard that before fpsl
Wait, what's her excuse she might forget and try and start it in gear, lol i have heard that before fpsl
10-02-2009, 12:14 PM
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Will it ever end !!!!!!!
Always leave it in gear - main reason is to protect from handbrake failure !!
I was taught this by my driving instructor the first day I started driving and thats the way it is.
The reason why women dont do it is down to 2 things:-
1) They dont understand how cars work (and before the women start shouting at me this does not relate to all women just most - especially in dumb arse Essex near me where they are all experts in fake tan, handbags and fake nails and dodgy cars with pink interiors !!!! wtf is that all about)
2) Most women are taught by female instructors (who again dont understand how a car works) hence why they never learn - one of my ex's always had a go at me when I left it in gear and still couldnt understand why i did it even once i explained the reason - then again she was blonde and from Essex !!!!!!
p.s. just ask a women what a rear view mirror is for - answer "for doing make up" what else !!
I was taught this by my driving instructor the first day I started driving and thats the way it is.
The reason why women dont do it is down to 2 things:-
1) They dont understand how cars work (and before the women start shouting at me this does not relate to all women just most - especially in dumb arse Essex near me where they are all experts in fake tan, handbags and fake nails and dodgy cars with pink interiors !!!! wtf is that all about)
2) Most women are taught by female instructors (who again dont understand how a car works) hence why they never learn - one of my ex's always had a go at me when I left it in gear and still couldnt understand why i did it even once i explained the reason - then again she was blonde and from Essex !!!!!!
p.s. just ask a women what a rear view mirror is for - answer "for doing make up" what else !!
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10-02-2009, 12:42 PM
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10-02-2009, 12:54 PM
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I always leave car in gear! And if in garage or some flat places maybe not use the handbrake!
I thought he only had the flint one?
I recall getting a call at knockhill from a mate " Hey Stevie, u got a mate with a saph cossie in the paddock" "Aye" "tell him to get over here, his handbrake has failed and the only reason its not in the wall is my steel toe cap under the tyre stopping it rolling away"
That was dumpeds nice saph cos.
That was dumpeds nice saph cos.
I thought he only had the flint one?
10-02-2009, 12:56 PM
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Always park in gear, don't use the handbrake unless it's parked on a hill (my old Fiat Punto GT handbrake froze on during the winter, so learnt not to bother!)
And I always start the engine with my foot on the clutch.
And I always start the engine with my foot on the clutch.
10-02-2009, 02:43 PM
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yea my dad has driven all his life and has instructed to drive many vehicles and he's always taught me to dip the clutch it saves the starter and help's the battery in such cold climate if you start the car with the clutch down let it start and then steady itself pull the clutch up and you'll hear the note change as it takes the strain of the gearbox turning with cold oil in it so it deffo is a useful tip, even my driving instructor thought it was weird but he was a new boy so deffo went with my old man and still did it even though he said not to bother
and i always leave mine in gear mainly to stop it being pinched but you never no if the handbrake is to fail so better safe than sorry imo.
and i always leave mine in gear mainly to stop it being pinched but you never no if the handbrake is to fail so better safe than sorry imo.
yeah ive noticed the note changes when dipping and releasing the clutch, i never knew there was a reason for it
10-02-2009, 03:08 PM
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in gear especially on hils in cold weather and when just washed car etc to prevent hand brake seizing on .
remember when i was very young starting a car by accident on drive with it in gear crapped myself when i made the car jerk forward always remember that .
just makes sense to dip clutch when starting up tho . didnt think of the technical side about being easier just to crank the engine over not gearbox too , but next time someone asks me why i can sound dead clever now instead of just , dunno just do .
cheer .
remember when i was very young starting a car by accident on drive with it in gear crapped myself when i made the car jerk forward always remember that .
just makes sense to dip clutch when starting up tho . didnt think of the technical side about being easier just to crank the engine over not gearbox too , but next time someone asks me why i can sound dead clever now instead of just , dunno just do .
cheer .
10-02-2009, 03:35 PM
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when you press the clutch, the mechanical link between engine and gearbox is broken because the clutch is not being clamped and so the gearbox internals and not rotating
the fact that the car is not inmotion is just because the gears haven't been engaged
if you were driving down the road and pressed the clutch pedal, the same thing would happen, the gearbox is "disconnected" from the engine
hoep that helps
10-02-2009, 03:37 PM
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also, i always leave my car in gear when i park, because it's an auto
but i do the same for the vans as well because i love to fill out accident forms for drivers who open the doors and turn the key without actually ebing in the van to "warm it up on a cold day like today"
but i do the same for the vans as well because i love to fill out accident forms for drivers who open the doors and turn the key without actually ebing in the van to "warm it up on a cold day like today"
10-02-2009, 03:45 PM
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if the internals of the gearbox stop when you press the clutch, why do you need syncros?
look at it the otherway...starting a car with the clutch pressed will increase your crankshaft thrust bearing wear....as everytime you press the clutch you are in turn pressing the crank into its bearings...
personally i start up in neutral.
look at it the otherway...starting a car with the clutch pressed will increase your crankshaft thrust bearing wear....as everytime you press the clutch you are in turn pressing the crank into its bearings...
personally i start up in neutral.
10-02-2009, 03:45 PM
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then i get a ear bashing when she starts it and i jumps forward. i always tell her to check but she never does
10-02-2009, 04:55 PM
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10-02-2009, 04:56 PM
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if the internals of the gearbox stop when you press the clutch, why do you need syncros?
look at it the otherway...starting a car with the clutch pressed will increase your crankshaft thrust bearing wear....as everytime you press the clutch you are in turn pressing the crank into its bearings...
personally i start up in neutral.
look at it the otherway...starting a car with the clutch pressed will increase your crankshaft thrust bearing wear....as everytime you press the clutch you are in turn pressing the crank into its bearings...
personally i start up in neutral.
we are talking about miniscule levels of wear and tear here though, 100,000 miles or more in some cases against the handbrake failing and the car rolling down the road into someone's scenery and it costing you loads on the insurance bill
10-02-2009, 05:08 PM
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when the engine is running the clutch is rotating the gears inside the gearbox, the syncro's engange the gears which is why you need to press the clutch to stop the drive going through the different shafts
when peoel crunch gears it's either because they have changed faster than the syncros have allowed or not given the pedal enough pressure to allow full disengagement of the gears
the next time you are driving a manual car, try to take the box out of gear while accelerating, it's very hard as everything is being driven and the forces are a bit much
if you lift off and take it out of gear it's much easier at the point of lifting off, but if you are lifting off and using engine braking to slow down, it's much harder again
the syncro's, in very basic terms, grab the gears and friction slows them down and they have 2 sets of teeth which mesh as opposed to no syncro which is getting two cogs to mesh or dog engagement (i think it's called) where you have very big lumps of syncro that mesh
i think we have gone off topic a bit
10-02-2009, 05:14 PM
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[QUOTE=pani_k;3938264]What's turning inside a gearbox if it is in neutral?
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The input shaft, one gear wheel, baulk ring and a syncro ring will be turning as a minimum....
I always leave the car in gear and handbrake off unless on a steep hill.
Minimises the chance of the handbrake cable stretching, and also stops the rear calipers from seizing, particularly in the case of cars with 'cam type' rear handbrakes.
My other half has a Nissan Almera and the rear brakes are frequently siezed on if the handbrake is left on....had to change out 2 calipers so far too
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The input shaft, one gear wheel, baulk ring and a syncro ring will be turning as a minimum....
I always leave the car in gear and handbrake off unless on a steep hill.
Minimises the chance of the handbrake cable stretching, and also stops the rear calipers from seizing, particularly in the case of cars with 'cam type' rear handbrakes.
My other half has a Nissan Almera and the rear brakes are frequently siezed on if the handbrake is left on....had to change out 2 calipers so far too
10-02-2009, 05:14 PM
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Manufacturers recommend starting with the clutch down for cold starts. IIRC the starter only has to turn the engine then, not both engine and gearbox. dont quote me......
I always leave my car in gear - everywhere.
I know someone who was unfortunate enough to have their car torched outside their house. The handbrake cable snapped, the car rolled and took 2 more cars up with it. Extreme i know but would have limited the loss for others.
I always leave my car in gear - everywhere.
I know someone who was unfortunate enough to have their car torched outside their house. The handbrake cable snapped, the car rolled and took 2 more cars up with it. Extreme i know but would have limited the loss for others.
i alwasys leave mine in gear because you never know what can happen
10-02-2009, 05:16 PM
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10-02-2009, 05:23 PM
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Since men are apparently never right, I just let it go :P
Edit: now shes asking her mates on msn to try and prove me wrong!
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn...code/DG_069860
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10-02-2009, 05:25 PM
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Mates was a Frontera but i remember that one, similiar thing, was a rare evo took all 3 of his cars as a result of the handbrake going iirc.