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30-12-2008, 10:39 PM
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simon hes doing it for the fun rather than being paied a wage though,, its not the same thing
some people are sponsered,,,, just do the racing and have since then was a small boy and went up the ranks,,,,, simon is a rich man living hes dreams,,,,, fair fucking play to him too
loads of people play football semi pro,,,, some people even sign up to the teratorial army
its not the same as a "real" race driver but he has got skill,,,,,, but he aint got anyone to answer too should he fuck the car up,,,,,, and he can miss a race to go to a wedding,,,,,,, lewis hamilton couldnt
some people are sponsered,,,, just do the racing and have since then was a small boy and went up the ranks,,,,, simon is a rich man living hes dreams,,,,, fair fucking play to him too
loads of people play football semi pro,,,, some people even sign up to the teratorial army
its not the same as a "real" race driver but he has got skill,,,,,, but he aint got anyone to answer too should he fuck the car up,,,,,, and he can miss a race to go to a wedding,,,,,,, lewis hamilton couldnt
30-12-2008, 10:46 PM
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another way to look at it is give me 1 million quid and a guitar and i can learn to be a rock star, can play a guitar reasonably well and will learn as i go along and the million quid will buy me into partys/mingle with some of the right people to help me and could prob play a few gigs,,,, take away the million and ill be on the dole que waiting for my break like all the other pikey fucks who think they got tallent
30-12-2008, 10:56 PM
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another way to look at it is give me 1 million quid and a guitar and i can learn to be a rock star, can play a guitar reasonably well and will learn as i go along and the million quid will buy me into partys/mingle with some of the right people to help me and could prob play a few gigs,,,, take away the million and ill be on the dole que waiting for my break like all the other pikey fucks who think they got tallent
30-12-2008, 11:07 PM
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its true though jay, its just like anyone on here who loves working on a car buying a set of spanners,,,,, having another for of REAL income so can play with cars all day claiming to be a RS specialist or a suspension guru,
money opens doors in more ways than we pretend to know,,,,,, give SiB a 500k a year spare money and im sure he would enter hes evo in race series as a semi pro, get a race licence and be a professional race driver,,,,
hell i always wanted to be a astranaut,,,, but i couldnt spell it on the form at school
,,,,,, aint gonna get a job if you cant spell the title are ya
money opens doors in more ways than we pretend to know,,,,,, give SiB a 500k a year spare money and im sure he would enter hes evo in race series as a semi pro, get a race licence and be a professional race driver,,,,
hell i always wanted to be a astranaut,,,, but i couldnt spell it on the form at school
,,,,,, aint gonna get a job if you cant spell the title are ya
30-12-2008, 11:22 PM
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I lost a rear tyre as I was about to turn into the left hand kink coming down the craner curves at donnington last year I had a split second decision to make, stay on the track or aim for the biggest area (the inside of the old hairpin towards starkys bridge) I took the latter and it worked for me If I had stayed on the track I might have ended up in the gravel or on my roof in the gravel at the old hairpin..
simon was in a similar position, you have to act quick, some of you think he had 10 seconds to think about it!!
**edit** here is a vid of my off, as you can see you have no time to make a decision..
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...=SlightOff.flv
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simon was in a similar position, you have to act quick, some of you think he had 10 seconds to think about it!!
**edit** here is a vid of my off, as you can see you have no time to make a decision..
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...=SlightOff.flv
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30-12-2008, 11:55 PM
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To be honest i don't even think he aimed for the grass if you look at the wheel input it looks like he's trying to go sideways to scrub off speed.
31-12-2008, 01:04 AM
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you can tell who has never driven in a competative race on here, racing is racing, motorsport is dangerous, simple as.... Anyone who has driven a few races will have crashed at some point, you think that's a bad crash try doing a few 2 stroke kart races with a 25+ Kart grid, it's fucking lunacy 
31-12-2008, 01:05 AM
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I still stand by by my usual comments that the green bogey does not perform on track no where near as good as it could, its fast but its not 950hp fast and there is a good reason for that.
I'm no race driver nor do I claim to be the next Hamilton but in both crashes Simon was too blame, in the pug crash he was driving beyond his ability as the cars he was trying to catch were clearly piloted by better drivers, personally I feel loss of brakes could of been avoided too, surely a race car should be prepped with correct fluids and clearly his wasn't unless racing brake fluid boiling is a common thing ? He did however do what he could in such a small amount of time, as Mark said though it was the wrong decision but he certainly didn't mean to crash into the other Evo and its quite obvious he didn't mean to stack into the pug even if it was his fault.
Besides all that though I do hope he enters Time Attack this year and drives the car himself, as much as I know it would be faster with a race driver I don't agree with race drivers being hired by Teams, I've never seen a video where Simon isn't seriously struggling with that Evo but atleast he does have a go and he can still get it round a track a lot faster than 8/10 people could
I'm no race driver nor do I claim to be the next Hamilton but in both crashes Simon was too blame, in the pug crash he was driving beyond his ability as the cars he was trying to catch were clearly piloted by better drivers, personally I feel loss of brakes could of been avoided too, surely a race car should be prepped with correct fluids and clearly his wasn't unless racing brake fluid boiling is a common thing ? He did however do what he could in such a small amount of time, as Mark said though it was the wrong decision but he certainly didn't mean to crash into the other Evo and its quite obvious he didn't mean to stack into the pug even if it was his fault.
Besides all that though I do hope he enters Time Attack this year and drives the car himself, as much as I know it would be faster with a race driver I don't agree with race drivers being hired by Teams, I've never seen a video where Simon isn't seriously struggling with that Evo but atleast he does have a go and he can still get it round a track a lot faster than 8/10 people could
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31-12-2008, 01:18 PM
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totally agree with paul no brake fade there but lack of concentration front wheel touched grass when braking then sucked him into infield "driver error"
31-12-2008, 03:09 PM
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Well I don't know, wasn't there but if he did hit the grass I can't imagine there would be much in the way of braking anyway .. Plenty of people crash though, every day, just one of those things people make mistakes.
.. Plenty of people crash though, every day, just one of those things people make mistakes.
31-12-2008, 03:26 PM
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there is an incar video knockin about somewhere where shows his track positioning gives you a better idea what happened maybe on norrisdesigns website cant be arsed to look for it myself
31-12-2008, 03:33 PM
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Can't hear any squeel from braking before he hits the grass? Only tyre noise is as it slides where he turns off the track You can hear him pumping the brakes though, a good 8 times I'd say.
31-12-2008, 03:34 PM
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I agree 100% mate , things happen , its all the Norris fans that make excusses for him that make me laugh , brake fade etc
the incar vid shows he was way to quick for the corner , Im not saying i would have done anything better than him , its just a shame for other drivers he hits tho
31-12-2008, 03:37 PM
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he went sideways to take speed off on the bend ON the tarmac,,, he never went to hit the grass but was too much speed hence he hit the grass and carried on
hes obv new the brakes where fading but tryed to carry on through it like most of us would in a race till either it sorted itself out OR it failed,,, guess what came first that one time
hes obv new the brakes where fading but tryed to carry on through it like most of us would in a race till either it sorted itself out OR it failed,,, guess what came first that one time
31-12-2008, 03:46 PM
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I quess the only person who realy knows is the man himself and as long as everyone was ok does it matter
I feel that he gets a lot of flack for his bad driving after some of the vids posted of him on track days where you can clearly see him bullying his way round
I feel that he gets a lot of flack for his bad driving after some of the vids posted of him on track days where you can clearly see him bullying his way round
31-12-2008, 04:08 PM
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31-12-2008, 04:15 PM
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I give up. I didnt say I could tell by the phots did I, I was just saying that I witnessed it when matey said that nobody on here did....
31-12-2008, 04:23 PM
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Go on the MLR and read the Simons write up in the memebers gallery, you may not need to make up your own version then!
31-12-2008, 04:24 PM
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there you go, people cant even agree as to what they can and cant see or hear on a video never mind actually knowing for sure what happened
31-12-2008, 04:27 PM
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wether he can drive or not its looks fun...although the guy in the orange Evo looks better through the corners..
Simons looks fookin quick though
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yscMeO...eature=related
Simons looks fookin quick though
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yscMeO...eature=related
31-12-2008, 04:27 PM
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to be fair though, his own write up is likely to blame everything but himself, oil on the track, loss of brake ressure, swerving to avoid a fox etc
31-12-2008, 04:48 PM
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Here's what he said.
The cause of the crash was total brake failure on the approach to Tower, I applied the brakes three times but all that happened was the rears locked and unlocked scrubbing no speed. Becuase of this I turned the car in very very early (before the corner) to try and get the car sideways so I could scrub off some speed. It stopped an even more serious possible outcome......ie death for me!
Sadly this meant HEAVY contact with Gary (Orange car) and then the tyre wall. There was a full investigation today (after the event) and I have been praised by the clerk of the course for the way I dealt with a very nasty situation. The official cause was "mechanical failure".
Sadly this 800mile old Evo 9 RS is a total loss, needs a reshell in the minimum. I may just break the car and take some time out until the green car is fixed though. Kind of makes you realise how dangerous motorsport can be.
Cheers all
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p.s. The brakes had boiled fluid which had no previous signs until I applied them on the approach to this corner.
Sadly this meant HEAVY contact with Gary (Orange car) and then the tyre wall. There was a full investigation today (after the event) and I have been praised by the clerk of the course for the way I dealt with a very nasty situation. The official cause was "mechanical failure".
Sadly this 800mile old Evo 9 RS is a total loss, needs a reshell in the minimum. I may just break the car and take some time out until the green car is fixed though. Kind of makes you realise how dangerous motorsport can be.
Cheers all
Si
p.s. The brakes had boiled fluid which had no previous signs until I applied them on the approach to this corner.
31-12-2008, 04:59 PM
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as said, crashes happen. whether it be mechanical or driver fault
alot of people commenting havent been on track ONCE never min a while race series,
i would love to see the majority of people slating him go and peddle a big power evo round half as well as he does.
alot of people commenting havent been on track ONCE never min a while race series,
i would love to see the majority of people slating him go and peddle a big power evo round half as well as he does.
31-12-2008, 05:13 PM
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paul i remember when i first wrote my car off,, i looked around,,,, closed my eyes for about ten seconds then opened them again,,,, then got out the car and looked at the damaged,, looked in the sky then looked again,,,, YEP, STILL CRASHED
then io rubbed the crashed section screaming "no no no no no, please no no no no no" with my eyes closes
nope,,,, still fucked and so a few " please God, say i aint just done this",,,, and right then i proved once and for all,, THERE IS NO GOD AS IT IS STILL CRASHED !!!! or he aint forgiven me for doing lineups with some local bird when i was 14 with me mates in a church yard
then io rubbed the crashed section screaming "no no no no no, please no no no no no" with my eyes closes
nope,,,, still fucked and so a few " please God, say i aint just done this",,,, and right then i proved once and for all,, THERE IS NO GOD AS IT IS STILL CRASHED !!!! or he aint forgiven me for doing lineups with some local bird when i was 14 with me mates in a church yard
31-12-2008, 05:16 PM
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31-12-2008, 05:20 PM
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Like i said , the only man who knows what happened is Simon , so i have to believe what he says .
Its just previous vidios i have seen of him on track days do make me feel that maybee he SOMETIMES does drive like he is the only man on track so will make people doubt if he was at fault or not .
Again tho , as long as everyone walks away and simon offers to help with the repairs to other cars he hits then who am i to fault him
Its just previous vidios i have seen of him on track days do make me feel that maybee he SOMETIMES does drive like he is the only man on track so will make people doubt if he was at fault or not .
Again tho , as long as everyone walks away and simon offers to help with the repairs to other cars he hits then who am i to fault him
31-12-2008, 05:24 PM
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then cant have been perfectly fine,,, they boiled over instantly !!!!,,, either that or they started fading a bit then let go,,, as how can brakes fade straight away to total failure YET lock the rear wheels if the fluids boiled unless theres another reason why it happened,,, thats the part i dont get
BUT hes driving was the best option imo he had,,, or its what i would have tried to do
i remember my brakes fading a few years ago on the road,,, A507 which is fast and loads of roundabouts, had OLD fluid in it though !!!, anyway i hit the brakes,m,,,, they worked then the car went faster,, to cars infront was Cliff S1's series one and oranocos black s2 erst,,,, i had a spare S2 rear bumper so aimed for him,, not joking either but he launched it at the roundabout and i came to a stop over the roundabout,, then cleaned the seat
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Here's what he said.
The cause of the crash was total brake failure on the approach to Tower, I applied the brakes three times but all that happened was the rears locked and unlocked scrubbing no speed. Becuase of this I turned the car in very very early (before the corner) to try and get the car sideways so I could scrub off some speed. It stopped an even more serious possible outcome......ie death for me!
Sadly this meant HEAVY contact with Gary (Orange car) and then the tyre wall. There was a full investigation today (after the event) and I have been praised by the clerk of the course for the way I dealt with a very nasty situation. The official cause was "mechanical failure".
Sadly this 800mile old Evo 9 RS is a total loss, needs a reshell in the minimum. I may just break the car and take some time out until the green car is fixed though. Kind of makes you realise how dangerous motorsport can be.
Cheers all
Si
p.s. The brakes had boiled fluid which had no previous signs until I applied them on the approach to this corner.
The cause of the crash was total brake failure on the approach to Tower, I applied the brakes three times but all that happened was the rears locked and unlocked scrubbing no speed. Becuase of this I turned the car in very very early (before the corner) to try and get the car sideways so I could scrub off some speed. It stopped an even more serious possible outcome......ie death for me!
Sadly this meant HEAVY contact with Gary (Orange car) and then the tyre wall. There was a full investigation today (after the event) and I have been praised by the clerk of the course for the way I dealt with a very nasty situation. The official cause was "mechanical failure".
Sadly this 800mile old Evo 9 RS is a total loss, needs a reshell in the minimum. I may just break the car and take some time out until the green car is fixed though. Kind of makes you realise how dangerous motorsport can be.
Cheers all
Si
p.s. The brakes had boiled fluid which had no previous signs until I applied them on the approach to this corner.
Doesn't change the fact it's happened though.
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Pmsl at all the bollox on here apart from the very few that actually were within 100miles of the circuit at the time it happened (in a RACE not a TRACKDAY lmao), and have got the first idea about the circumstances..
But hey, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good bitch on the internet.
Plain straight forward brake failure in the front brakes due to fluid boil, and anyone who knows anything about Castle Combe and the way that kind of failure occurs will understand how/why - the previous part of the track before Tower involves two heavy brake applications at Quarry then into the Esses in close succession, the next time you need the brakes is at 100mph+ entry into quarry; in the mean time heatsoak has had the chance to get vapour in the fluid AFTER the previous brake applications, not as a result of the application at Tower itself. The first you know about it is when you press the brake at Tower and nothing happens. This isn't helped by any tendency for brake pad knock-off due to two long hard right then left bends in the process which puts a lot of load into wheel bearings allowing the pads to get pushed back a bit.
If you search around, Simon has posted all his datalog including GPS positional/speed data for anyone who cares enough to actually investigate before giving it the large one with their superior knowledge.
I have no affiliation with Simon or desire for ass-licking, beyond being a part of a team that race with him in the same series.
But hey, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good bitch on the internet.
Plain straight forward brake failure in the front brakes due to fluid boil, and anyone who knows anything about Castle Combe and the way that kind of failure occurs will understand how/why - the previous part of the track before Tower involves two heavy brake applications at Quarry then into the Esses in close succession, the next time you need the brakes is at 100mph+ entry into quarry; in the mean time heatsoak has had the chance to get vapour in the fluid AFTER the previous brake applications, not as a result of the application at Tower itself. The first you know about it is when you press the brake at Tower and nothing happens. This isn't helped by any tendency for brake pad knock-off due to two long hard right then left bends in the process which puts a lot of load into wheel bearings allowing the pads to get pushed back a bit.
If you search around, Simon has posted all his datalog including GPS positional/speed data for anyone who cares enough to actually investigate before giving it the large one with their superior knowledge.
I have no affiliation with Simon or desire for ass-licking, beyond being a part of a team that race with him in the same series.