RS 5tu

iTrader: (2)

How would you go about doing it as cossie uses a dizzy and zetec uses coil pack, how could i change it?

Also is cossie good to use on ZT?

pa_sjo

You can do it but you need to rig up suitable triggers for crank and phase.. It's a bit of a pain to be honest.. It's better to go with something that directly supports whats already on the zetec, like EEC-IV (OFAC/OFAB) or something aftermarket like Pectel.

RS 5tu

iTrader: (2)

any one done a zt with cossie management?
So i can be done just a bit of a pain.

foreigneRS

you have 3 options if you want to use the weber management

1) fit a distributor somehow - a daft idea
2) use the Motorsport Developments/SECS additional coil pack/wasted spark board in the Weber ecu
3) use an RP Lab modified Weber ecu that can drive the coil pack and can be fully mapped by you or your chosen mapper using your laptop

options 2 & 3 require fitting the phase sensor that would have been in the dizzy somewhere (camshaft)

RS 5tu

iTrader: (2)

Would you use it or something different?
also how much is a "SECS additional coil pack/wasted spark board" ?

foreigneRS

i would go option 3 or aftermarket ECU.

don't know the price on the wasted spark driver board, but is not all that expensive and is possibly in the christmas sale if you buy now. check the motorsport developments website

RS 5tu

iTrader: (2)

all in £400, so will be cheaper to buy after market management.

rst in breaking

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unless you already have the management then is it worth the hassle? you need all the pick ups etc surely you're better off selling it and buying management with a loom made for the engine? it can be done though as jano done it on a red series 2 using p8

RS 5tu

iTrader: (2)

how abt magasquirt? that any good?

pa_sjo

It works. Just.

Diamonds.

iTrader: (2)

whats a good management to use with a Zetec then?

pa_sjo

Pectel T2. It was specifically designed for the zetec engine.

sunny

iTrader: (1)

However not the best for big power engines as the ECU only has High imp injector drivers for which large injectors are VERY hard to source. The Pectel T2 is a great ECU for most normal atomo engines not needing as much juice as the more powerful turbo applications.

Just go for any aftermarket ECU that the person mapping the engine is most happy to work with as the ECU will only be as good or as bad as the person mapping it. Before you get to that stage perhaps you should consider who you would like to map your engine then go onto choice of ECU.

Hope that helps.

Thanks,

Sunny.

Diamonds.

iTrader: (2)

good call

RS 5tu

iTrader: (2)

MSD will be doing my mapping.

sunny

iTrader: (1)

In that case Stu should be able to map pretty much most ECU's inc Pectel, Autronic, Cossie Managment, OFAB etc however I would ask him what he wants to use as he will be the one mapping it. Alot of people underestimate how much there is to mapping an engine, some people bodge it to the highest degree (these are the ones with the bonnets up at shoot out events who took the wrong choice of tuner who clearly didnt do a very good job). Speaking on experience, I have used Ahmed and then had Pectel then Mark Shead hence went over to Autronic, you see apart from extra features when it comes to good mapping the mapper needs to know all the short cut keys etc live there and then whilst he's mapping otherwise it's too late as that point in the map has not been optimised as the tuner was thinking which function key he should of pressed then. Both Mark and Ahmed (and I am sure Stu) are genius's at this stuff) - I personally wouldnt go elsewhere.

pa_sjo

That's not really accurate Sunny. You can readily obtain high impedence injectors up to about 500cc/min and T2 can drive them in pairs (for an 8 injector setup), so potential for up to 1000cc/cyl is childs play. I don't think many engines will be requiring much more than that

T2 is a fantastic ECU for turbo engines.

sunny

iTrader: (1)

Back when we we looking into this the highest flow injectors we found in high imp were Holly just under 500cc's so thats great for around 350hp as another thing we've learnt through the years is that most zetec engines on the dyno have always run out of fuel hence they are thirsty buggers.

I know someone who has gone the route you talk of above ie 8 injector setup on a t2 running in pairs, for the last couple of years its caused nothing but headache!!!! - Should of just done it properly first time round if you ask me!

Get a proper ECU to do the job properly I say.....If you or your tuner likes Pectel then go T6 which is far superior and better for higher HP engines for the reasons mentioned above alone.

SiZT

what about the plug-in injector drivers that can convert high to low imp?

Garage19

Don't know why you say you can only find 500cc high impedance injectors? I've been using 625cc@3bar siemens injectors for years. These are actually 680 cc when used with a cossy 3.5 bar reg.

tabetha

I know of someone who uses double injectors(each cylinder) on a 27,000 CC rolls royce merlin engined rover sd1, the injectors are phased and it is perfect, although a few more cylinders than a cossie!!
tabetha

Charlie Chalk

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Friend of mine has just built a ZT and will be using his L8 from the ZVH he has, He's made a pickup sensor on the inlet cam. Should that work?

Ryan

I thought Zetec had the cam sensor already that is used in the yb grp a conversions? So surely this can just be used and simply fit a 4 point trigger wheel which is readily available, don't know why everyone seems to be over complicating things?

RS 5tu

iTrader: (2)

I also so think people tend to over complicate things, but having never done it i wouldnt know.

pa_sjo

The trigger is in the wrong place.. I've seen people cut it off and then drill through the cam and put a new pin in.

foreigneRS

it's only in the wrong place if you don't know what you're doing fully with the L8 as the phase angle can be changed in the code

Big Will_

If you have the other components of the kit - i.e the coilpack, leads, ignition amps etc. then the wasted spark driver board can be had by itself in our christmas sale for £115

pa_sjo

Sure, but people are talking about just bolting something on here

tabetha

You have to set where the phase angle is expected to be ?, I did not know that as on my aftermarket phase is not important can go any position no adjustement nothing just put dizzy in start up no alignment at all, are all the std type ecu's like this ?
Just interested why some ecu like this and others not.
tabetha

pa_sjo

Because a production ECU is designed for a specific task and an aftermarket one has to/should accomodate for various configurations.

RS 5tu

iTrader: (2)

There was i cossie management "Kit"on ebay loom, yellow injectors and inlet inc the ECU ect, and went for £180 also as will says £115 on wasted spark i dont think £295 would have been a bad price.
The promblem now is i dont know what to go for. As you all have you own oppinion ill PM Stu or Will as these are the guys that will be doing the mapping

O.K.C

iTrader: (2)

Jano sells the two Crank and Phase trigger setups off the shelf pal. Same as what was on my car and also Gareths that was on the front cover of FastFord mag.

The phase sensor bracket is only £40 and the trigger ring £28 then all it needs is a sensor which is a std cosworth crank sensor £23





Have a look at the build thread.
http://www.oddkiddcreations.co.uk/vi...&sd=a&start=50




It was running 340bhp when he sold the engine.

Antil lag

Air injectors

Coil pack

Water injection

Live Pectel or collins monitor


All using an ECU that any tuner can map in the country for £150

This was his motor.

RS 5tu

iTrader: (2)

Very nice, I think i will go down the cossie management road and use a wasted spark board.

O.K.C

iTrader: (2)

If your in blackpool, once you have fitted the system you could take it to Stu@mdevelopments and he will be able to map it for you, as stu is familiar to the way the system is setup and knows how to adjust the parts to make the most of your engine.

However once you have the weber system fitted you could go anywhere in the country to have it mapped. Some tuners charge as little as £100 to have it mapped with a graph on the rollers.

Best advise is to have a look at the link i gave above and have a good read, if you have any questions there is over 2000 members on oddkiddcreations site who will be able to give you decent advise.

danny

RS 5tu

iTrader: (2)

I was always going to get the mapping done at MSD regardless of witch one i would use.

foreigneRS

how much tuning are you getting done for £100? can't be much

O.K.C

iTrader: (2)

A full map. Jano offers a full ON THE ROAD map for as little as £150 including the ISCV settings for cold start etc.. If you require the cold start setup you need to leave the car with him for 3 or 4 days so he can make the adjustments to suit your engine from cold.

Or for as little as £50 he offers a base chip for any setup which is very good as i myself have seen a car he has installed a base chip to then within 2 hours that car going on the rollers and producing 230bhp from a std 1600cvh engine.

I rate jano's work not just because i have my car at his yard at the mo, because i have seen his work first hand for many years and not once had a single let down! To me that speaks for itself.


If in doubt call him yourself and see what he can offer you foreigneRS.

Danny.