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Old 12-12-2008, 06:25 PM
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Default 4x4 mt75 gearboxes realistically how week?

whats the most bhp people have run without banging one.. with the odd launch, no dounuts or track days just avarage fast driving? and for how long.. is a t38 a good turbo to use with one.... as its less harsh than a t34?

just wondering what bhp i should run in my escort, ive got full in car 2 stage adjustable boost so i can go anywhere from 300bhp to 440bhp with my engine build.

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Old 12-12-2008, 06:28 PM
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its torque that breaks boxes....

i was ok at stage 3,

but on msd 55lb kit i was breaking them on command
Old 12-12-2008, 06:29 PM
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think the 4x4 box is only rated to take 240nm of torque T5 2wd one is rated at 400nm !at least i think tony did tell me but i can not remember the exact figure!
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what is stage 3 330bhp or 350bhp i'm never sure..
Old 12-12-2008, 06:31 PM
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with a T3 310 max with a T34.48 i would say realisticly 330-340
Old 12-12-2008, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
with a T3 310 max with a T34.48 i would say realisticly 330-340
wrong, check out next months fast ford
Old 12-12-2008, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Twellsie
wrong, check out next months fast ford


no i am right! i know this because my mum just said so!
Old 12-12-2008, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
no i am right! i know this because my mum just said so!

is your mum Sue Collins
Old 12-12-2008, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Twellsie
is your mum Sue Collins

only on friday and saturday nights!
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no but his dad is
Old 12-12-2008, 06:41 PM
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Think on stage 3 it depends what other work has been done like head work i.e polished and porting etc,injectors, which will make a bit of difference on power outputs tbh think the gearbox will last to about 400bhp just depends how you drive,if your gonna lauch it hard ad give it a week tops lol
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its down to torque....
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ud find a larger turbo making less low down torque would be easier on the box than a t34....

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Old 12-12-2008, 06:48 PM
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I think blacky was running about 385 bhp in the nail and that took a hell of alot of abuse.
Old 12-12-2008, 06:50 PM
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i blew box at 400bhp ad it rebuild and its lated touch wood.
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i say again... its torque not bhp....that breaks boxes
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
i say again... its torque not bhp....that breaks boxes
just out of interest, how much torque do you make on a T4?
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i havent made it that far yet lol...

i was making 420lb/ft on my t34 though! hence breaking lots of boxes!
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
i havent made it that far yet lol...

i was making 420lb/ft on my t34 though! hence breaking lots of boxes!

that makes sense, mines about 360 lb/ft and i havnt managed to break the gearbox yet, all though i get nervous saying that,
Old 12-12-2008, 07:05 PM
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i have 497bhp 444ft and smash a box nearly every time i drive it lol
Old 12-12-2008, 07:06 PM
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jtechsaff ,do you think its down to the age and condition of the box as aposed to the box itself ,and would a newly built box take a lot more abuse ,and by abuse do you mean from standstill or 2nd and third gear hooliganism.
cheers james
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Originally Posted by james kiely
jtechsaff ,do you think its down to the age and condition of the box as aposed to the box itself ,and would a newly built box take a lot more abuse ,and by abuse do you mean from standstill or 2nd and third gear hooliganism.
cheers james
na, they just cant take more than 390-400lb/ft nomatter how good they are tbh if your lucky!
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With anything over 330 with hard driving/launching you run the risk really... I've done about 5 in my life before i see the light lol
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Originally Posted by Smit
With anything over 330 with hard driving/launching you run the risk really... I've done about 5 in my life before i see the light lol

so at 327 am i safe to launch the fook out of it
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Originally Posted by Twellsie
so at 327 am i safe to launch the fook out of it
On a T3 i reckon you'd be ok. 4 out of the 5 have done/stripped 3rd gear. The other one i snapped the main shaft lol
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my own 4b runs 380bhp and has a shot peened box by gordon spooner ,i dont launch the car to be honest and let it buildup a bit before giving it some .Is shotpeening the answer for a good stage 3,and what kinda power do you need to be running before you have to go to a bara box?
cheers james
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My old car was running over 400 bhp and it didnt break a box, but that is likely to e down to the power been made when the car is rolling along nicely
Old 12-12-2008, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by james kiely
my own 4b runs 380bhp and has a shot peened box by gordon spooner ,i dont launch the car to be honest and let it buildup a bit before giving it some .Is shotpeening the answer for a good stage 3,and what kinda power do you need to be running before you have to go to a bara box?
cheers james

shot peening can make a massive difference if done properly but most people who do shot peening dont really do it properly tbh. if i can find someone to take apart and rebuild my box im going to shot peen and superfinish my gears
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Originally Posted by james kiely
jtechsaff ,do you think its down to the age and condition of the box as aposed to the box itself ,and would a newly built box take a lot more abuse ,and by abuse do you mean from standstill or 2nd and third gear hooliganism.
cheers james
I bought a new box from Ford and it lasted 12 months before 3rd gear ended up like a plie of crushed jacobs cream crackers


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Originally Posted by lozi
shot peening can make a massive difference if done properly but most people who do shot peening dont really do it properly tbh. if i can find someone to take apart and rebuild my box im going to shot peen and superfinish my gears
i am amazed that shot peining makes such a difference, shot peining essentially work hardens the surface of the material, increasing brittleness, but also offers a certain degree of stress relief and possibly aids lubrication due to surface finish
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how about 400bhp 360lbft would that kind of be top spec to go for with a t38 so the torque comes in later...
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Think a good map might prolong ya box a little n all nice smooth progressive wivout a massive boost spike a think thats what its called anyways lol
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Originally Posted by Captain500rs
Think a good map might prolong ya box a little n all nice smooth progressive wivout a massive boost spike a think thats what its called anyways lol
captain i think you hit the nail on the head
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Originally Posted by james kiely
my own 4b runs 380bhp and has a shot peened box by gordon spooner ,i dont launch the car to be honest and let it buildup a bit before giving it some .Is shotpeening the answer for a good stage 3,and what kinda power do you need to be running before you have to go to a bara box?
cheers james

best 4x4 box i've ever had and gotta remember that car was used on track also by its original owner & he busted endless gearboxs before he had that 1 rebuilt and shot peened
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Originally Posted by Twellsie
i am amazed that shot peining makes such a difference, shot peining essentially work hardens the surface of the material, increasing brittleness, but also offers a certain degree of stress relief and possibly aids lubrication due to surface finish

your pretty much spot on there, i do shot peening for a living. F1, oil industy and aerospace though so proper shot peening.

not sure i agree with brittleness, by shot peening you are reducing residual stress to the surface by applying compressive stress which increases fatigue resistance and stops cracking etc. the surface finish you end up with is dependant on the intensity and shot size, i sometimes batter things to make the surface finish rougher.
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lozi
what kinda price does it cost to shotpeen a box properly,?
Is it worth doing the diffs aswell.
cheers james
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Originally Posted by lozi
your pretty much spot on there, i do shot peening for a living. F1, oil industy and aerospace though so proper shot peening.

not sure i agree with brittleness, by shot peening you are reducing residual stress to the surface by applying compressive stress which increases fatigue resistance and stops cracking etc. the surface finish you end up with is dependant on the intensity and shot size, i sometimes batter things to make the surface finish rougher.

i hope i am pretty close to the mark as i have worked in aerospace for the last 11 years, lol

with hardness comes brittleness, i have seen components that have cracked off the surface effected by the peening

p.s. just out of interest, who do you work for, we currently use a company in Derby who shall remain nameless who are shite!

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Originally Posted by mechanic28
think the 4x4 box is only rated to take 240nm of torque T5 2wd one is rated at 400nm !at least i think tony did tell me but i can not remember the exact figure!
That can't be right as 240nm is only 177 lbft which is much less than a srandard engine makes.
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my box must have been made of dark chocolate, it ran over 400bhp & 400lbs/ft for ages without shitting its self, thats includes plenty of launches & holding it flat out in 3rd gear from low revs


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