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Old 12-12-2008, 01:49 PM
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Default New f1 cost cutting measures.

Some of them seem a bit drastic, but heres the rule changes in F1 for the next couple years copied from Autosport.com....

The World Motor Sport Council met in Monaco on 12 December 2008. The following decisions were taken: FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

The following measures to reduce costs in Formula One have been agreed by the World Motor Sport Council. These proposed changes have the unanimous agreement of the Formula One teams, who have played a major role in their development. The FIA is grateful to the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) and its Chairman Luca di Montezemolo for their incisive contribution.

2009

Engine

Engine life to be doubled. Each driver will use a maximum of eight engines for the season plus four for testing (thus 20 per team).

Limit of 18,000 rpm.

No internal re-tuning. Adjustment to trumpets and injectors only.

The three-race rule voted on 5 November remains in force.

Cost of engines to independent teams will be approximately 50% of 2008 prices.

Unanimous agreement was reached on a list of proposed changes to the Renault engine for 2009; all other engines will remain unchanged. Comparative testing will not be necessary.

Testing

No in-season testing except during race weekend during scheduled practice.

Aerodynamic research

No wind tunnel exceeding 60% scale and 50 metres/sec to be used after 1 January 2009.

A formula to balance wind tunnel-based research against CFD research, if agreed between the teams, will be proposed to the FIA.

Factory activity

Factory closures for six weeks per year, to accord with local laws.

Race weekend

Manpower to be reduced by means of a number of measures, including sharing information on tyres and fuel to eliminate the need for "spotters".

Sporting spectacle

Market research is being conducted to gauge the public reaction to a number of new ideas, including possible changes to qualifying and a proposal for the substitution of medals for points for the drivers. Proposals will be submitted to the FIA when the results of the market research are known.

Note: It is estimated that these changes for 2009 will save the manufacturer teams approximately 30% of their budgets compared to 2008, while the savings for independent teams will be even greater.

2010

Power train

Engines will be available to the independent teams for less than €5 million per team per season. These will either come from an independent supplier or be supplied by the manufacturer teams backed by guarantees of continuity. If an independent supplier, the deal will be signed no later than 20 December 2008.

This same engine will continue to be used in 2011 and 2012 (thus no new engine for 2011).

Subject to confirmation of practicability, the same transmission will be used by all teams.

Chassis

A list of all elements of the chassis will be prepared and a decision taken in respect of each element as to whether or not it will remain a performance differentiator (competitive element).

Some elements which remain performance differentiators will be homologated for the season.

Some elements will remain performance differentiators, but use inexpensive materials.

Elements which are not performance differentiators will be prescriptive and be obtained or manufactured in the most economical possible way.

Race weekend

Standardised radio and telemetry systems.

Ban on tyre warmers.

Ban on mechanical purging of tyres.

Ban on refueling.

Possible reduction in race distance or duration (proposal to follow market research).

Factory activity

Further restrictions on aerodynamic research.

Ban on tyre force rigs (other than vertical force rigs).

Full analysis of factory facilities with a view to proposing further restrictions on facilities.

Longer term

The FIA and FOTA will study the possibility of an entirely new power train for 2013 based on energy efficiency (obtaining more work from less energy consumed). Rules to be framed so as to ensure that research and development of such a power train would make a real contribution to energy-efficient road transport.

An enhanced Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) system is likely to be a very significant element of an energy-efficient power train in the future. In the short term, KERS is part of the 2009 regulations, but is not compulsory. For 2010 FOTA is considering proposals for a standard KERS system. The FIA awaits proposals.

A number of further amendments were adopted for the 2009 and 2010 Sporting and Technical Regulations.

Im Not happy with the 3 race engine rule or the possible reduction in race length, every year there's less and less track time yet the tickets remain sky high. I do quite like the loss of tyre warmers from 2010, should make things interesting after a pit stop.
Old 12-12-2008, 02:01 PM
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destroy it abit more
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Why not just use Indy cars or Champ cars & be done with it.

I though that F1 was supposed to be pinacle of technology in motorsport, and soon its going to be formula Ford.
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God be like formula 3 soon
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At least it will give Cosworth a way back in. They're virtually assured of the tender to make the engines for the smaller teams.

Dont agree with sharing tyre/fuel info or reduced track time though.
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Originally Posted by porksword69
I though that F1 was supposed to be pinacle of technology in motorsport, and soon its going to be formula Ford.
Teams still get to use there own inlet/exhaust manifold, injectors, airboxes, cooling etc etc, all the things that WE ESPECIALLY ON HERE know can make all the difference. Just cause the engines the same, doesn't mean they all make the same power.

And how is this destroying F1? I quite like the idea of returning to qualy on race fuel weights.
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To be honest all of these changes still benefit the bigger teams, whoever can spend the most on R&D will have the engine capable of performing the best over 3 race weekends.

The only way to maintain the innovation of F1 is to limit the overall spend of the teams and give them a blank canvass for the cars.

Otherwise it will end up a glammed up one make series like A1GP/Indycar/Formula Ford which is pish.

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Not sure on the ban on refueling, its been in and out over tha last 25 years and generally I think its more interesting with fuel stops, although tyre strategy and throttle strategy still come into play
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How are they going to monitor it though, take Ferrari who will have a 60% wind tunnel for the F1 cars and a 100% wind tunnel for the road cars built at the same facility. how can they be certain both will not be used.

Aerodynamic research

No wind tunnel exceeding 60% scale and 50 metres/sec to be used after 1 January 2009.
I think they need to being in more ability for driver error, such as manual gearboxes and cluches
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