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Old 10-12-2008 | 08:06 PM
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wots ur opinions on this ??

having a very close friend who has just lost her father to motor neurons disease i KNOW wot this does and how it destroys the life of someone (terry passed before it got very very bad)

now wots ur opinions on euthenasia (sp) and do u think that each and every person has the right to decide wether they are allowed to end theyre life in this way ? in this case the guy said his life ended yrs ago and was just a a shell livin im misery and pain ?

i personally dont see how anyone could watch someone they love go through this when they would rather go still with some dignity in tact and family members get to say proper goodbye's

(probably not worded great but its all there )

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Old 10-12-2008 | 08:10 PM
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Old 10-12-2008 | 08:10 PM
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I think you should be allowed to go when you choose . Wouldnt be nice atall to be kept alive if you was really ill
Old 10-12-2008 | 08:11 PM
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Everyone has the right to die with dignity and if assisted suicide is a way of that person maintaining their dignity then that's fine by me.
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i think u should have the right to choose....easy enuff to get a gun and blow ur brains out...only this way someone has to find you in a horrible mess...at least if its assisted suicide then the family get a chance to come toterms with it before hand and get to say their goodbyes..
Old 10-12-2008 | 08:18 PM
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i put my name down dont want to be old and in pain in enougth pain at the moment with my artritus and only 38 now
Old 10-12-2008 | 08:21 PM
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keeping someone alive who is paralysed from the neck down and wants to die is basically torture imo. its all very well having ideals and moral obligations if its not you that is suffering.
Old 10-12-2008 | 08:21 PM
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i agree with euthinasia and that it should be legalised, in a similar way to swizerland(sp). surely if someone wants to die that much, and has thought it through for a long time, then its what they want. suicide causes big problems and anguish for friends and family. plus alot tend to be impulse things - jumping in front of the nearest train. etc... if it goes wrong you are in alot of pain, then you get arrested! legalising might help those people to come clean about their feelings and might even help reduce the ammount of suicides...
Old 10-12-2008 | 08:22 PM
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oops double post...
Old 10-12-2008 | 08:51 PM
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I believe people should have the right to decide whether or not to continue being alive.
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Old 10-12-2008 | 08:51 PM
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Would have to be closely regualted.

After all, you wouldn't want people having the parents off when they get old so they can collect the inheritance, or relieve their burden?

Harold Shipmans springs to mind, could you trust a doctor, could be knocking people off and claiming they requested to die.

I think a well regualted system with a VERY limited number of people forming panels to decide, and the person in question being of sound mind and able to reason why they should die.
Old 10-12-2008 | 08:52 PM
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i believe its ok as long as it's backed up by a Proper Medical opinion.
Old 10-12-2008 | 08:53 PM
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I think you should be able to,i have a degenerative illness when i get older and have had enough i'm off simple as that !.
Old 10-12-2008 | 08:57 PM
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i think if the person is terminally ill etc and has no decent standard of life or heavily suffers every day then they should be allowed to decide their own fate.

i would hate to think that if i was in agony every day or was having no quality of life and wanted to end it that my family would risk prosecution.as already said you should be allowed to die with dignity and be able to plan it and say your goodbyes to the ones around you etc..
Old 10-12-2008 | 09:08 PM
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Apparently there is a Documentary on tonight, where you see a man die, being assisted.

does anyone know about this?
Old 10-12-2008 | 09:09 PM
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Yes this law imo needs changing. Obviously it needs to be really well governed as anyone could say ''nurse i feel its my time'' ages 45 with a mild cold lol and the nurse would have to help him etc

Also what needs changing is sick stupid mother fucking moron jehovas who can say no to a blood transfusion for their children who have no choice IE perfectly healthy child in a car crash, a blood transfusion would mean back to normal life to live but those stupid cunts can say no let them die its gods will Retarded twats Yes it is a sore subject for me lol
Old 10-12-2008 | 09:13 PM
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Fully supportive of assisted suicides here.

I do not want to live life as a vegetable if paralysed for example like that Rugby playing lad who was on the news today for this same situation.

Need to get my Will written, and this will deffo form part of it, morbid as that is.
Old 10-12-2008 | 09:16 PM
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yes i agree with it.

if you have an old pet and take it to the vets he turns round and says ill put it down he's old and in pain. nobody bothers about that but when its a human oh no we carnt let them do that
Old 10-12-2008 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by maria
Apparently there is a Documentary on tonight, where you see a man die, being assisted.

does anyone know about this?
A mates just phoned me and asked me if i knew anything about it, i didnt, so ive just googled it, think it may be this.


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...15176021?f=rss
Old 10-12-2008 | 09:25 PM
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I'm watching it now, the main fella's from my home town too.
Old 10-12-2008 | 09:30 PM
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Thats the one fiddy!!! Its on now... missed half an hour but it is on until 22.50!!
Old 10-12-2008 | 09:35 PM
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That couple where he's ill and she's not, but she still wants to die with her husband is wrong IMO.
Old 10-12-2008 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by maria
Thats the one fiddy!!! Its on now... missed half an hour but it is on until 22.50!!
It starts again on +1 at 10 maria. channel 244 on sky.
Old 10-12-2008 | 09:38 PM
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DOH! i have virgin.... i cant find the +1!!
Old 10-12-2008 | 10:04 PM
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If anyone is watching this... it is so so moving.....

And i have massive amounts of respect to the coouple who allowed this all to be filmed i really do!
Old 10-12-2008 | 10:27 PM
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My god.... i cant actually believe they are showing this.... he is going to die right in front of our eyes....


so so so so moving...
Old 10-12-2008 | 11:02 PM
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people should have the right to chose to end their lives, simply because it is THEIR life.
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are people affected by seeing the man dieing? there is hell on its being shown..
Old 10-12-2008 | 11:17 PM
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i wouldnt say i was affected... but i would say it had opened my eyes a little....

he literally looked like he was falling asleep.... nothing more.... his wife was beside him and he was listening to his favourite piece of music...
Old 10-12-2008 | 11:22 PM
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maria..


i knew the programm was on which is why i started the thread , the guy in the programm was the 1 i was talking about when he says about livin in a shell ,


very sad but for the best for both him and his family that his suffering stopped sooner rather than go on ,

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Old 10-12-2008 | 11:25 PM
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Yes we should be able to choose to die with diginity
Old 10-12-2008 | 11:26 PM
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I could see that he still had a reasonable standard of living compared to some... but this also helped him come to the decision he did... if he wasnt of such sound mind, then he would of continued to deteriate and end up prolonging his suffering.
Old 10-12-2008 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by maria
I could see that he still had a reasonable standard of living compared to some... but this also helped him come to the decision he did... if he wasnt of such sound mind, then he would of continued to deteriate and end up prolonging his suffering.
wot u say there totally sums up y the law needs to be changed so people can make such a decision when they are able to of there own accord , because like u say left too long and the decision CANT be made by them effectively ruining wot time they have left .
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for terminal PHYSICAL illness/ chronic physical disability (eg paralysis, degenerative diseases, untreatable cancers etc) then as long as the person is sound of mind and mentally capable of making an informed decision, then yes i think it should be allowed as otherwise its just cruelty.

For mental illness (which makes up the majority of suicides/attempted suicides) then suicide shouldnt be legal as mental illness is treatable in most cases to have a reasonable quality of life.
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for terminal PHYSICAL illness/ chronic physical disability (eg paralysis, degenerative diseases, untreatable cancers etc) then as long as the person is sound of mind and mentally capable of making an informed decision, then yes i think it should be allowed as otherwise its just cruelty.

For mental illness (which makes up the majority of suicides/attempted suicides) then suicide shouldnt be legal as mental illness is treatable in most cases to have a reasonable quality of life.
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Originally Posted by ED 209
Yes we should be able to choose to die with diginity
There's no such thing! Our bodies break down, sometimes when we're 90, sometimes before we're even born, but it always happens and there's never any dignity in it. I don't care if you can walk, see, wipe your own ass. It's always ugly - always! We can live with dignity - we can't die with it."
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My opinion is that we should be focusing on putting people in a position where they want to live.
I think people choose to die because they believe it will be better than living.

I do not believe anyone of sane mind really wants to die ! - they just choose to do so and this I think is an important thing
Old 11-12-2008 | 09:19 AM
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As that guy said though, soon he would not even be able to move his eyes let a lone communicate in any way - his questions was what agony may he be going through in the last few days that nobody would know what going on?

He was terrified in that room, but knew that that was his last and only chance of talking control of his situation.

He in truth was more scared of the effects of his illness on him in the long run and his death, than he was of ending it short but in peace.

Tell you what, watching him try and get down a drink that was going to kill him was tough stuff and the fear in his eyes was even worse.
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Im undecided on this one!
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Euthanasia is such an controversial subject because it will affect us all at some point in our lives. Everyone experiences someone close to us becoming so poorly that they are forced to accept that they will not get better. Many will become entirely dependant on those who are close to them and may wish to release them from this burden. My grandmother is an example of this, as she suffers from a degenerative disease called old age, but she will not get better and will become a greater burden on my family.
Many people at a point in their lives will feel that their quality of life has deteriorated to an unacceptable degree, and wish to hasten the end. I would like to support the right of someone to make this decision, but would want to see the process very tightly controlled to ensure that nobody felt pressure to take the choice, made the decision when confused or depressed or simply bored. I am sure there are people out there in a much better physical state than Stephen Hawkins who feel ready to die and yet there's a man who, last I heard, was making full use of his life.

My biggest concern is how do you identify who has a right to end their life, if we are defining quality of life and dignity, my grandmother lacks this due to old age, she requires full time care and is incapable of going to the toliet herself. Should my Grandmother have this right or is this right only exclusive to people we pity ?

Its not an easy answer imho

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