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Old 29-10-2008, 11:37 PM
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Default Antilag throttle kick

Can anyone recomend a good throttle kick to use on a cosworth for antilag. Im finding it difficult to find an electric solenoid with enough power to push the throttle.
Would a modified idle control valve be a better option?
Old 30-10-2008, 07:34 AM
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modified idle valve would be a better option!

remember if you "kick" the throttle, the TPS isnt at closed anymore, so the ALS would turn off, there is ways around it, but using a ISCV is much easyer!
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are there any instructions on how to modify a iscv gareth?
Old 30-10-2008, 08:42 AM
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Dont people use a remote ISCV with anti lag, commonly the Bosch one from Vauxhalls old 2 litre 8v and XE engines??
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Originally Posted by Jay.
are there any instructions on how to modify a iscv gareth?
not that i know of!

theres many ways to skin a cat though, i made this a few years ago






it didnt work perfectly, but i didnt develope much, i did wind my own coil for it, which helped,
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
modified idle valve would be a better option!

remember if you "kick" the throttle, the TPS isnt at closed anymore, so the ALS would turn off, there is ways around it, but using a ISCV is much easyer!
Kicking the throttle shouldnt cause any problems..i have a Motec M48 ecu and it can be set it up with antilag active at any throttle position I want.

Is anyone out there selling modified ISCV`s??
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MSD sell ALS valves!

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Originally Posted by GARETH T
MSD sell ALS valves!

Cheers, i`ll give them a call so
Old 31-10-2008, 11:40 PM
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throttle kicker is totally un necessery on cosworths,we are lucky,you just need a modified iscv but word to the wise,only use a genuine mountune red dot one,unless your happy to risk your engine to get destroyed!!!
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Originally Posted by TF Rallyesport
throttle kicker is totally un necessery on cosworths,we are lucky,you just need a modified iscv but word to the wise,only use a genuine mountune red dot one,unless your happy to risk your engine to get destroyed!!!

bet there rare and not cheap tho tim?
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Originally Posted by Jay.
bet there rare and not cheap tho tim?
bou Ł120-160 second hand,a mountune one usually has a blue dot of paint wwith a smaller dot of red paint inside the blue dot,anything else can be very very risky to use,i found that out in 2004 on the granite city!!
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Originally Posted by TF Rallyesport
bou Ł120-160 second hand,a mountune one usually has a blue dot of paint wwith a smaller dot of red paint inside the blue dot,anything else can be very very risky to use,i found that out in 2004 on the granite city!!
so a realistic cheap option then
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whats risky about them? what can a failed ISCV cause engine-damage wise?
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
whats risky about them? what can a failed ISCV cause engine-damage wise?
The end falls out.

And for the record we dont sell Modded YB ones at all, only brand new Bosch ones.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
The end falls out.

And for the record we dont sell Modded YB ones at all, only brand new Bosch ones.
exactly as stu says,be very very carefull with modified iscv's.
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
whats risky about them? what can a failed ISCV cause engine-damage wise?
usually 4 valves,the 4 valves the bolt goes through!! and i once had it do 8 valves as it spat the bolt back into the inlet,i didnt split the inlet,fitted a new head,started the car up,and it drew the bolt into the combustion chamber,wrecked the head,piston and spat the bolt back into the inlet ready to destroy the next head!!!the joys of crap workmanship.
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Originally Posted by TF Rallyesport
bou Ł120-160 second hand,a mountune one usually has a blue dot of paint wwith a smaller dot of red paint inside the blue dot,anything else can be very very risky to use,i found that out in 2004 on the granite city!!
Does that mean you can get other makes of "top hat" style iscv?

I have two suposed mountune iscv's (top hat type), but i dont think either have the paint on.???
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top hat referance to a group A car is the spacer and slide tube that fits the damper to the top mount on a front suspension damper.

not sure why so many other parts on a cosworth is getting reffered to as a top hat nowadays.


the plunger type as per mountune group A were copied by a few in the early 90's,same as the mountune ones but from experience they were not always as well assembled and often stuck or the end bolt either broke off,or unscrewed itself over time,resulting in the bolt going through your engine,not good at all.well worth checking your valve bolt from time to time.
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Originally Posted by TF Rallyesport
top hat referance to a group A car is the spacer and slide tube that fits the damper to the top mount on a front suspension damper.

not sure why so many other parts on a cosworth is getting reffered to as a top hat nowadays.


the plunger type as per mountune group A were copied by a few in the early 90's,same as the mountune ones but from experience they were not always as well assembled and often stuck or the end bolt either broke off,or unscrewed itself over time,resulting in the bolt going through your engine,not good at all.well worth checking your valve bolt from time to time.
Cheers for clearing that up.

sorry and one more question , are they supposed to be spring loaded( plunger out ) . I hear the mountune item where not, but one I have is and one isn't???
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Here is the valve I've got. Came from a Mountune "clubman" engine, so I guess that must be a mountune one :









Sorry for the aweful pictures, these were made with my mobile phone.

And on the TB is a PF09/04 position sensor.

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haven't people heard of 'loctite threadlok'?
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