MAD EVO 4

My evo is very nervous in the wet but superb in the dry

This came to light last night when I spun my evo coming onto the m25 from the m11 juction.

What could be the cause ?

Ive had the car 4 wheel aligned by a company well known for doing evos and the car has been lowered on eibach springs

please help ?

Charlie Chalk

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How did you spin out, let off throttle?

Si B

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Hmm, sounds unusual.

What tyres are you running? The same all round with same tread etc? Often get this with people with mismatched front and rear tyres.

Or too stiff rear end - race drivers basically soften stuff up when its wet (obviously much more complex than that)

Si

MAD EVO 4

I must admit the last owner fitter cheapish tyres to the car which i havent changed and they differ from front to rear

MAD EVO 4

come around a left hand bend on the slip road onto the m25 and the backend just went away from me

Charlie Chalk

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Sure it was the car and no just a slippery road? If it hasn't rained for a bit, the roads will be greasy. What speed was you doing?

jameswrx

My 5 was shocking in the wet when i got it but it had some nasty jap tyres.. I replaced them with some decent rubber and it was fine

MAD EVO 4

Not sure what spen i was doing

ven slowly going round aroundabout the back end just wants to slide out

MAD EVO 4

Yeah I think its down to cheap tyres and low tyre pressures

Crowder

u should drive my evo in the wet its still running on the jap spec bridgestones im pretty sure theyre snow tyres pmsl! its disgraceful in the rain at any speed!! Drys a diff matter though with the cusco's top mounts and uprated rear arb.... maybe i should stop being a tight cunt and buy some new tyres :P

MAD EVO 4

Im fitting evo 5 wheels very soon so ill be putting decent tyres on

Si B

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Sounds like job jobbed. Bound to be that plus road conditions as per Rad / Charlie Chalk / thingy me bob.

Tyres translate everything your car does to the ground - accelerating, braking and cornering. Deffo a false economy to have cheap tyres on a performance car.

Just been poking around an M3 with Champiros on the rear, and Super Champs or some other shite on the front.

Recipe for disaster (as I know from experience!)

Try some Goodyear F1s if the car is used 99% road use, should improve the wet drive no end, and at a sensible price.

Si

jameswrx

Yeah mine had snow tyres on it too!

I'd had it for ages before I'd driven it in the wet and it was actually the mrs who first discovered it.. she told me it'd gone sideways very easily on a roundabout. I moaned a bit until I actually drove the thing in the wet myself, it was like ice in the wet.

MAD EVO 4

Ive just brought these goodyear f1 tyres for my dads mini

deffo be buying these for mine

Crowder

haha so its not just me that thought that then lmao!!

Jim Galbally

what ws your entry speed? take it you mean you were going from m11 northbound to M25 anticlockwise?

MAD EVO 4

Ive just been out to the garage and checked what make of tyres are on the evo

Fronts - Pirelli P6000

Rear - Kuhmo

MAD EVO 4

I was heading towards london on the m11 then took the slip road for the m25 heading towards the tunnels

I spun coming off the slip road and went across all 3 lanes of the m25 and back to the inner verge again

MAD EVO 4

just been told my evo should wear the same rubber on each wheel

Turbosystems

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a new full matching set of quality boots will cure your problems
check all suspension bushes for wear

Ebonycossie4x4

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I thought it was only sti's with twitchy rear ends every evo ive been in (never been in a 4) seemed very sure footed even in the wet.

Jim Galbally

not just your evo, any fookin car

Lambchop

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some nutter took me out in a black 8 once and fuck me it was slidy at the rear

Lo@der

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I fail to see the problem here???

Steven_RW

Ouch.

Any car that doesn't wear the same rubber all round is a bad idea.

If you were in a scooby u would have just understeered straight off the road. A more "pointy" car is great, in that it rarely understeers, however this means u need to be very confident with the throttle and keep the rear end in check.

Get the exact settings that your car was aligned to and get people on the lancer register to check that they are sensible for ur style of driving.

If u get close to toe out at the back, they become MEGA oversteery I believe.

RW

Dan

Could have been diesel on the road aswell mate, if it was wet too then that's just fucking treachorous for any car!!

Charlie Chalk

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ANY 4x4 should have the same tyre tread, as it don't do the centre diff any favours!

Thought you would of known that being a 'motorsport technician'

Charlie Chalk

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Na, I've had some moments in my Pulsar in the wet too, The back loves to kick out if you piss about!

MAD EVO 4

Yeah ive just been to stindgy to buy new tyres so they all matched

Si B

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I hear hoofing the throttle with cold slicks while in a tight corner can make things even worse, specially if he was being egged on by the equally nutty passenger

Driver sounds like a legend if he was getting the arse out


Later on Sunday at Croft I ran slicks on the front and Yoko C Drives on the rear and the slides were comedy

A matched set of tyres on any car will make a huge difference. Sticking Kumhos on the rear of an Evo with Pirellis on the front is deffo the reason for your car's arse out nature!

Si

MAD EVO 4

Thank you Sib

Charlie Chalk

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Si, you had some arse end action with me at Bedford, which kept me smiling

Good driver

Si B

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Shh, what happened between us was supposed to be our little secret

Thanks for the good driver comment, ask Chop what he thought and it may not be the same sentiment

I'll post up a vid and some pics in a mo

ANDYRACER

My celica gt4 was a nightmare in the wet when i first got it, it was running jap spec nankangs on the back, and fate-o kwik fit tyres on the front.
I nearly binned it into a police car come round a sweeping bend it was that tail happy.

Now its running Kumhos all round and is so well footed but will let go if you really give it some which is always entertaining.

4wd power slides are entertaining to say the least.

Lambchop

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yup legend i say!

Charlie Chalk

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LOL, get some pics/vids up mate

Not wrong there

Crowder

As it happens i brought 4 new F1s tonite for the evo. 360quid fitted bargainio!!!

Si B

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Good stuff The pukka German ones, or the dodgy Asian ones?

My only driving experience of F1s was very good, however everyone seems to really rate them for general use, and particularly when it's wet (so ideal for the UK then!)

Si

MAD EVO 4

why are the asian ones dogey ?

Si B

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Apparently not so good = been a few posts on here about cheaper F1s.

Last saw Rapid Cossie (Euan) mention it.

Hopefully someone who knows for sure will be able to explain what the problem was.

Si