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Old 04-10-2008, 06:31 PM
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Question HD TV! Help please :-)

I'm using a Panasonic Viera Plasma for gaming(downstairs) which after long spells of usage leaves the screen burned(ok maybe not burned but I can see images that ought not to be there, that have previously been displayed).

So I'm currently in the process of sorting out a spare bedroom for playing the PS3 and want to do away with the monitor I have for the PC at the same time.

I could do with some guidance as to what TV is going to do the job best,
features I'd like are....

LCD rather than Plasma.
Very good - PC Display
1080p for PS3.
Viewing distance will be 5 feet, so whatever size is optimal at this distance.

Is there anything else I need to consider?

also.

Video/HDMI senders?

Does anyone use a HDMI sender or simply a video sender to send SkyHD to another room? If so what unit are you using and how's the picture.

Advice much appreciated, please please dont get to techi on me though thanks.
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high contrast causing the "phosphor burn" as its known,i always go for LCD, but its personal choice really
Old 04-10-2008, 06:59 PM
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Just leave a white image up for a while and the burn will go away.

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orion crazy carl tbh I knew at the time of buying Plasma over LCD that LCD was better for gaming, I underestimated just how much gameing usage the TV would get. The TV is pefect for Films etc etc hence me keeping it and buying an LCD specificaly for games/PC. Just checked contrast and its as suggested for optimal viewing(good call thoiugh) , I'm sure its more time related

Jammy86 good tip cheers
Old 04-10-2008, 07:23 PM
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andy andy andy, Tell me in more info wat you want to do, and wat probs you have.

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Old 04-10-2008, 07:27 PM
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Matt I'll be on around 9-30ish

Im getting a new TV but want to know what Full HD LCD is best but it also has to be suitable for use as a monitor and at a 5 foot viewing distance.
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so ur gonna hoook the pc up to it too.
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aye!
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yes mate,its time related,leaving it on with one pic for ages,like the symbols in the corners on sky can burn it,i choose the LCD over plasma,tho i think plasma has a better picture at times,but seems to drop off over hours its left on,plus they get bloodly hot,lol
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have you ever hooked the pc up to a big telly
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Probably better with a 26-32" for a distance of five feet. At this distance, on big TV's you will notice the pixels/jaggies on a lot of games as they are only upscaled to 1080p and not true 1080p.

Be careful when buying a full hd TV as some accept a 1080p signal and then downscale it to 1080i/720p and some will only display a screen res of 1366 x 768 when using the pc input. This is "usually" the case with some of the cheaper brands.
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mines 37inch 1080p i sit 3 metres away.No probs
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Originally Posted by m_nettleship
mines 37inch 1080p i sit 3 metres away.No probs
Thats almost double the distance Andy wants to sit! Although to be fair, it really does depend on each persons eyes. I know some people who cant read teletext on a 50" from about 5 feet!
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Right ok! cheers for that Tony appreciated, I really do get lost with the PC part and how resolution from PC to Tv relates
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andy we will talk on cod. i think if ur hooking pc up, u will have to go alot smaller, i did it on a 32, and it was shockin.
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i have a 40" lcd with pc connected ad 1280x1024

i sit around 2-3 metres away, it's fine

though if i sat closer to the screen while using the pc i't would be slightly better, but my pc is only connected for films use
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Originally Posted by Andy_R
Right ok! cheers for that Tony appreciated, I really do get lost with the PC part and how resolution from PC to Tv relates
Andy, 1080p is a marketing buzz word and the 1080 bit means the number of vertical lines the item can display. Most computer monitors have been 1080p for years. My 22" HP monitor runs at a native 1680x1050 and looks goog, If I change it to 1366x768 it looks awful- this would look even worse on a bigger TV and would kill your eyes.

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Old 04-10-2008, 08:04 PM
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i use a 50 ins plasma for one of my pc's,,,, the heat comming off it i swear that if i sat 3 foot away i would gain a tan,,,, fuck me they DO get REALLY REALLY hot

not to mention cost a fucking fortune in electricity !!!
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If your going to run your pc through the tv check the svga support on the tv. Mines only 1024 x 768 so it looks like the below.



But I don't use it that much, and certainly not for films, the PS3 does that

Porn does look mint in HD
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mines the ful screen, using it now infact pmsl
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Originally Posted by tonyk
Andy, 1080p is a marketing buzz word and the 1080 bit means the number of horizontal lines the item can display. Most computer monitors have been 1080p for years. My 22" HP monitor runs at a native 1680x1050 and looks goog, If I change it to 1366x768 it looks awful- this would look even worse on a bigger TV and would kill your eyes.

So does this mean that with say a 32inch screen because it cant display enough lines that it will end up with the picture in the shape of Dans(as above)??? as thats what I'm trying to avoid!
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Originally Posted by Andy_R
So does this mean that with say a 32inch screen because it cant display enough lines that it will end up with the picture in the shape of Dans(as above)??? as thats what I'm trying to avoid!
No your picture will be fine and fill the screen, the reason for shape of the picture above is down to the fact that the pc resolution being used of 1024x768 is a 4:3 aspect ratio which is being displayed on a 16:9 widescreen tv hence it has the black bars down the side.
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5ft viewing distance?
If viewing 1080p sources, you need a 50", 720p sources a 37" or 42" will be ok.
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Personally I think what you're asking is a bit of 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

The higher contrast and better resistance to burn of an LCD, but a Plasma is quicker, less prone to "vapour trailing" and is generally a much better picture.

Theres no such thing as an "HDMI" sender it will no longer be 1080p by the time it gets to the second location, you will need an HDMI Distribution amp, and you cant really go much further than 15 metres with an HDMI cable unless you convert into another format and back. Which will probably cost more than your TV !!!

Personally I only recommend Pioneer Plasma to clients and I guess at a genuine 5ft you wouldn't want bigger than 42" - which is what I play on at around 5-6 feet and is just fine, if a little warm after a couple of hours !!!

Just my 2p

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Originally Posted by Bladerider
Personally I think what you're asking is a bit of 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

The higher contrast and better resistance to burn of an LCD, but a Plasma is quicker, less prone to "vapour trailing" and is generally a much better picture.

Theres no such thing as an "HDMI" sender it will no longer be 1080p by the time it gets to the second location, you will need an HDMI Distribution amp, and you cant really go much further than 15 metres with an HDMI cable unless you convert into another format and back. Which will probably cost more than your TV !!!

Personally I only recommend Pioneer Plasma to clients and I guess at a genuine 5ft you wouldn't want bigger than 42" - which is what I play on at around 5-6 feet and is just fine, if a little warm after a couple of hours !!!

Just my 2p

J.
Here is a few links to wired and wireless HDMI senders for anybody that wishes to purchase one. They are also 1080p compliant and will not lose the signal as its all 1's and 0's carried in a digital form.

http://www.hdinterconnects.com/index...roducts_id=165

http://www.onevideo.co.uk/hdmi-cat5-extreme-p-525.html

http://www.amazon.co.uk/HDMI-extende.../dp/B000RXYXBM

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Originally Posted by Andy_R
So does this mean that with say a 32inch screen because it cant display enough lines that it will end up with the picture in the shape of Dans(as above)??? as thats what I'm trying to avoid!
Andy, it depends on the screen that you buy and what screen res it can display. Dans screen displays 1024x768 in PC mode so thats why there is black bars down the side. None of the experts have actually asked you "what spec PC you have" as that may or may not be able to produce the required screen res. Another thing the experts have missed- Does your PC graphic card have dvi or vga out. DVI is usually a white output connection and VGA is the old blue style connector. I mention this as it may be possible for your pc to output in HDMI meaning- that it will output the the full 1080p should your pc support this as mentioned above.

I think there is only two steps needed to get you what you want.

1. Check what your screen res your pc can display.
2. If buying over a 32" I would go for a TV that can display 1080p or 1920x1080(proper name) on both the HDMI channel and the PC input.
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Ha !!

Bugger me !!

We use Gefen stuff all the time and I had never noticed they did this. Could be quite handy for some of the stuff we do although 10m isnt really much use in commercial environments.

Nice one, cheers.

J.




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