dojj

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7620239.stm

forget all this nonsense about him being scotish and fat and an idiot, what do you think personally about the guy?

for me, i didn't know he had a dodgy eye and was almost blind, i didn't know one of his kids had died which makes me more sympathetic towards him

but everything he seems to do turns to shit, pensions, fuel prices, the latest "keep you warm" fiasco and his "spend spend spend but only on usless idiot things" along with the 42 day detention bollocks and his gaffes on how osama would be the better president for america, the list is virtually endless

but if he goes, who's going to fill his shoes?

so should he stay? better a bumbling idiot in charge of everything so we can all point the finger and blame him, even though some of his ideas may make sense to peole if they were given the facts and figures and not told they were from him?

i'd vote for him if he gave me a goverment position with a pension for life and a £70k starting salarey and £200k expenses every calander year that i had to use up but otherwise not

Graham S1

Does it matter? How long has Government been by the people, for the people in this country? Not for a long time now. Ever since we started signing these pesky Euro Treaties.

Personally I simply think he isn't a very good leader, but then you've got to be someone special to lead a Labour party, and keep them all in line.

RichieST

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Grade A cunt. Benni could do a better job!

Ian M500COS

The bloke is a complete tool. In charge of a box of utter tools!! And if left alone, they will have us all off the road soon or driving battery powered invalid chariot type vehicles in no time!

Heard this morning that they are considering some £20 on the spot fine for leaving your engine running in traffic jams!! I kid you not!!!

And is it only me that has noticed that flappy sucky thing he does with his bottom lip in between sentences!! for that reason alone, the twat should be ousted! Watch him speeded up, I bet it's even funnier!

dojj

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some would say benni was a little fat and a little northern too, so there would be no difference

but has golden brown lost the plot? and the eole he's sacked, can't they claim unfair dismisall from their jobs as their names weer "leaked" into the public for saying he was a shit leader?

dojj

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how would they enforce that i wonder? edited to say that they'd probably force us to fit some sort of device that reported us rather than spend more money on employing peole to do the job of walking through traffic jams dishing out tickets to peole, who would then leave work after a few months claiming they couldn't breathe due to the fumes they were inhaling as part of the job and then the tax payer would fork out countless more millions for them to sit at home posting on pf type forums

joel_winders

has took a lot of the shit Tony Blair left, he had the right idea quitting at the time he did !

Lee Ivatt

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Theyre both as bad as each other, its just

Blair knew how to lie to us, we knew he was liying, but that was enough

Brown cant even be assed to lie about the ecomony and our country not being fucked. as as no ones liying to us were now in the panic and crisis that were are in.

Maby we could set up a PF Political Party, and take over the world

truthordare

I think he's a tit.

Debs

dojj

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blair lied to us through his proverbial teeth and him and his mrs did more damage to this country than we are probably aware off with the human rights bill being passed

gordon's been stitched up with the whole "hand over of power" but i think he will be remembered, at best, as a transisional leader

tony b liar covered his back with lots of peerages and when he got busted gordon couldn't do the same thing and now he's fucked

i'd like to think of him as a house buyer who's bought high, and is now in negative equity as the markets have crashed

stephenbatey

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Gorden Brown is a complete and utter wanker, i thought everyone knew that?? And who cares what he`s been through or if he`s bong-eyed, should`t affect his work (or lack of) should it!

Diseasel

Bring back Maggie , even with her dimmentia she ould still do a better job than the one eyed jock guppy.

No offence ment to the people north of the border, well except the weegies

pee vee

He is top man in a country full of 60 MILLION people.. + illigals
+ taking in account Britains 'clout' in the world is pretty hefty too, i'd say?

so with that in mind;
If he needs sympathy for anything that has happened in his life to the extent that its gonna affect how he runs this country...then its dangerous that he does the job IMO!!!

when the job is THAT big, then NOTHING should be of a distraction to you...

save sympathy for soemone else Dojj. like me i stubbed my toe this mornin

Turbosystems

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you will all be driving a poous if he had his way

dojj

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do you want to be president

Iain Mac

Leaving Gogs Broon to one side for a moment, don't you think that it's strange that the PM can call the General Election at any time during the 5 year term of office, to suit their own circumstances? e.g. If labour had been doing better in the polls, he would have gone to the country last year and bagged five more years. They weren't, so he didn't. Now everything has turned to shit he'll probably sit tight till the end of the current parliament in (I think) 2010.

Why should the "Mother of parliaments" allow this advantage to the sitting party - of whatever flavour?

In America, the election happens every 4 years, regardless of what is happening at the time (though they manage to make their election process last for about 2 years at a time LOL). I don't know what other countries do.

pee vee

There are LOTS of things like that though mate

Par examplé Our VOTING system! THE SINGLE most unfair voting system that there is!!! (first past the post)

stonehavencossie

Despite him not really appealing to me as a person i have no doubt brown is a very good politician and is very much unfortunate with circumstances. The world & country is going to shit and we can not all blame it on this fucker.

Have you seen his potential replacements ?

dojj

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everyone needs to vote, simple
and the winner of the votes in each area should be the councils on that area
and the total number of votes collected for any individual party should be the party in charge of teh country as a whole

at the moment, you've got labour with potentialy not as many seats as they had at the lat ellection and if the tory's win more and get a majortiy, then where do we stand?

i know that i'm not an expert on politics, but if it were made simplistic enough for all to see then i'm sure more would vote

ballot papers with ONE counciler to vote for rather than 5 or 6 as some do
and ONE party to vote for for the country

simple, effective, no brains neccesary to put 2 croses on a bit of paper

Iain Mac

I'm not sure I actually agree. Getting the most people to support you out of a field of alternatives doesn't seem unfair. It's when the politicians move the boundaries around to suit their electoral chances that I would agree with you.

Up here we get a form of PR where we elect a little over half the MSPs with first past the post, and then use a top-up list for the rest, so that each "region" elects a number of MSPs off party lists with the aim of getting the parliamentary representation close to their overall share of the vote.

Some problems:
The two types of MSPs are responsible for different constituencies.
First Past the Posters seem to feel senior to List MSPs.
It throws up the waste of space that was 7 Green MSPs and a similar number of Socialists (In the election last May they were reduced to two and nil respectively)
You can be elected as a List MSP, and if you quit there isn't a new election, they just take the next name on the list. However, if you get fired by the party but won't quit the parliament (as happened with a Tory) instead of the job going to the next person on the Tory list, the sitting MSP stays, even though no-one ever voted for him.

I think that all ballot papers should have a "None of the Above" option and any candidate who is beaten by this choice should be banished from politics, preferably forever, but certainly for five years.

However, when I come to power, I'm going to introduce some radical changes with the aim of having representation of the people by the people:

Political parties will become lobbying bodies, hoping to persuade elected representatives of the value of their case. Representatives will vote primarily according to the interests of their constituents taking the needs of the country into account.
Career politicians will be abolished. In future, the highest those people will rise is to head their local council, which is dangerous enough!
MPs will be selected at random, like juries, and it will become a sort of National Service.
One fifth of the Parliamentarians will be replaced every year so there is some consistency. Everyone will still vote every five years, but it is more gradual and, with no parties, there's no need for wholesale changes.
To be eligible to sit, you must have no criminal convictions (unlike the Lords, where our lawmakers can be convicted and imprisoned criminals - eg Lord Mike Watson who got pissed and tried to set fire to a hotel when they wouldn't serve him any more drink!) and need to have contributed to society in some way (paid tax for a number of years, served in the NHS or the military, etc)
It is a full-time job so you won't be allowed to work elsewhere while serving.
If you don't fancy taking a pay-cut to do the job, tough - we keep being told we need the brightest and the best, so do your duty. It's only 5 years.
Everyone stands a chance of getting their nose in the trough.

Iain Mac

Ps - Vote For Me!!!

dojj

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ok, not all of it, but most of it yes?
he's ruined the pension pot so we've all got to work longer
he's fucked up teh banking by helping out northern rock and saying he'll help out other banks if they are in the shit
banks are businesses and if they fuck up they fuck up
windfall taxes, wtf? you get punished for earning a profit, where the fuck do you get the idea that's fair?
it's the same as taxing your intrest on your savings, and taxing your estate when you die, and taxing your house when you buy it and when you sell it

all these things could be sorted and peole would have more money to spend on the economy rather than think "i can't spend this because i'm skint"
and all that taxation is being spent on illegals, single underaged drug addictes, quango's and mp's pensions

fuck them lot off right away and you don't need to tax every fucker until they are skint and ont he breadline

NATH-RSZT

I know nothing about politics but i know my pockets are alot lighter and its not good.

Lucky my old man aint a member on here cos he would go on for ages about the state of this country. hence the reason my parents are moving abroad next month.

pee vee

that is one way of doing it yes..
there are others , but it all gets a bit complicated lol

exhaustive ballot - weakest link gets knocked out and it all starts again

two round system - similar again, but they dont just get rid of everyone bar the strongest 2 after the first round


you can only use a 'first past the post' system if there are only 2 options..
and where we have everthing from monster raving loony, to the bnp that aint ever gonna happen. lol

so yeah a different system is needed really.

SapphyMike

All the parties are as bad as each other.

canst

I'm loving every moment of the demise of the Labour party. They'll be less than 200 after the next election. Just think of it, hundreds of non-entity leeches with no profession or business to fall back on (being union shop steward doesn't count), all sycophantic career politicians clinging to their threadbare party and expense account.
They were quietly smirking (some of them not so quietly) about tens of thousands of highly paid (Tory-voting) City employees losing their jobs. Well how about a couple of hundred Labour MPs losing theirs. Will there be any tears other than their own.

spookie

i dont know much about the whole polotics thing, never vote. but he needs to sort this tax shit out. companies going bust everywere isnt good, and the increasing amount of migrent workers is beyond a joke.

Iain Mac

Everyone should vote - it's not so long ago that our forefathers had to fight for the right. If you don't vote, you really have given up any right to complain about what you get.

Personally, I'd make it compulsory to vote, but only at the same time as introducing my "None Of The Above" option.

pig

he's a cunt

Ex-Finesse

I couldn't think much less of him.

Total bullshitter and outright liar.

Was VERY lucky to become Chancellor during a time of super global economic calm, including a golden inheritence from the Tories.

He has laden this country up with debt, which was splashed out on enlarging the public sector and above-inflation public sector pay deals.

Wealth creation and entrepreneurship are taxed to fuck because someone succeeds, after taking huge risks starting up a business.

He deserves to fall from grace in this spectacular way.

Ralph.

Benni

Benni would do a good job.

Benni

I don't vote but feel free to tell me who to vote for and why.

Benni.

snOOpy86

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im not to clued up on the whole politics thing, but from everything i see in the papers, internet and my wallet the countrys going/gone to shit and when the time is right for me ill be off some where else.

garyrsts2

i agree with snoopy, the governments eating our money for the sillyest things im not into the politics but i know that we are gettin robbed, i dont like gordon brown at all

dojj

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benni:

someone will come to your house and say "vote for me, because i've got a blue flower on my suit and am better than the other flower wearers"
someone else will come to the door wearing a yellow flower and saying the same thing baout them being better bceause they wear yellow flowers
and the same for red flower wearers
and green flower wearers

they are trying to tempt you to vote for them on the basis of their policies, which can be as far ranging as banning old peole from swimming pools to sending kids to school in classroom sizes of 77 to repaving the roads with conctrete not paving slabs or building 5 new houses where tesco once used to be

it's up to you to decide which one you think will be best for you and vote for them

if you don't vote then you dind't have a chance to tell the country how you felt at the time

xr2i-carl

Fcuking cock sucking, knob riding, Fat head Homo britain ruiner.

TheBishMan

I think in times of crisis the PM should be more worried about the country than his own leadership being under threat. We are in a time of deepening financial instability and I think he's in the best position at the moment to do something about it.

Should he be our leader though? Fuck no, the only successes he's had are sorting out problems which his own government brought about through lack of investment (Floods or Foot and Mouth anyone?!) and his pension reforms will one day be looked upon by historians as being the single biggest fuck up in parliamentary history!

cfoster

Slightly off topic but is it true that if you choose not to vote either way that your vote automatically goes to the prodominent party (labour in our case)?? Seems a bit unfair if it is true!!

Umi

well lets see his just as bad as blair or maybe worse

Iain Mac

Total rubbish.

If that happened you would hear of such and such crowing about his enormous majority because so many folk can't be arsed voting any more.

Sometimes, like in the first Scottish devolution referendum for instance, they word the legislation in such a way that, in effect, anyone who doesn't vote helps the governments case.

(In this example the then-Labour government introduced a requirement for 40% of the electorate to vote in favour. Never mind the fact that few, if any of the MPs had 40% of the vote in their constituency. Bear in mind also, that people remain on the electoral register for some time after their death, emigration etc, so it was a very unfair threshold to pass. In the event, a majority voted in favour but not enough to breach the 40% requirement so the motion fell)