Speed camera question, odd one...
14-09-2008, 03:24 AM
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Speed camera question, odd one...
Just got flashed, satnav said i was doing 36 in a 30 but it was 3am!.
Anyway, bit of an odd one... The camera was on my side on the road but facing me as if to get vehicles over road going other way (the camera was slightly turned to face over road). The camera flashed me (in face, front of vehicle) but i've just looked up on net and it says they shouldnt flash you unless its the rear of vehicle for obvious reasons!
Any ideas?
Cheers!
Anyway, bit of an odd one... The camera was on my side on the road but facing me as if to get vehicles over road going other way (the camera was slightly turned to face over road). The camera flashed me (in face, front of vehicle) but i've just looked up on net and it says they shouldnt flash you unless its the rear of vehicle for obvious reasons!
Any ideas?
Cheers!
14-09-2008, 07:44 AM
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Im pretty sure they get you from from front aswell because I remember an article in the sun newspaper a while back and it involved a copper attending a call and when he went through a speed camera head on it took a picture of the front of his car showing him with both his thumbs up, because of this he got done for not holding on to the wheel. It showed the picture aswell. Basically it caught him head on & also if the camera flashed & u was alone on the road then I suggest u hope the next 2week pass quickly
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14-09-2008, 07:55 AM
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If it flashed, then you're ok. Gatsos can and do flash you if you're heading towards them, but they're not approved to 'catch' you head on. Truvelo cameras can get you from the front but they're infra red, so don't flash.
Cossie4i - Of course it makes a difference. Have you never driven at 3am? Speeding when there are loads of cars and people about is blatantly more dangerous than when the roads are deserted. Do you really believe that 36mph at 3am is as dangerous as the same speed at 8.30am???
Cossie4i - Of course it makes a difference. Have you never driven at 3am? Speeding when there are loads of cars and people about is blatantly more dangerous than when the roads are deserted. Do you really believe that 36mph at 3am is as dangerous as the same speed at 8.30am???
14-09-2008, 07:57 AM
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It's not a Truvelo as their flash is Infra-Red.
I know a guy who used to install Gatsos (i.e. a very good source) and he said that if they flash oncoming vehicles then they are loaded with a dummy camera. He says that in a live camera the radar is directional i.e. ignores oncoming traffic.
I really wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure you won't get a NIP.
Neil.
I know a guy who used to install Gatsos (i.e. a very good source) and he said that if they flash oncoming vehicles then they are loaded with a dummy camera. He says that in a live camera the radar is directional i.e. ignores oncoming traffic.
I really wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure you won't get a NIP.
Neil.
14-09-2008, 08:04 AM
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Fully functioning cameras can and do flash if you go towards them head on, but you won't get 'done'.
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14-09-2008, 08:23 AM
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Radar cannot be directional - It sends out a signal, that signal bounces back, and that's how it works out the speed. They just aren't set up to accurately register the speed head on.
Fully functioning cameras can and do flash if you go towards them head on, but you won't get 'done'.
Fully functioning cameras can and do flash if you go towards them head on, but you won't get 'done'.
14-09-2008, 08:23 AM
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some look similar but genrally there yellow, the infrared ones around here seem to be painted blue, or they were atleast.
14-09-2008, 08:24 AM
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99.9% of the population just cough up when caught, even though many people are incorrectly charged with speeding. They work using radar, and it's notoriously inaccurate, as the signal can bounce of stuff like passing lorries, bus stops, armco etc... It's all bullshit, but all the while the public just accept it they'll keep putting cameras up.
14-09-2008, 09:16 AM
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Cossie4i - Of course it makes a difference. Have you never driven at 3am? Speeding when there are loads of cars and people about is blatantly more dangerous than when the roads are deserted. Do you really believe that 36mph at 3am is as dangerous as the same speed at 8.30am???
Doing 36 mph at 3 am is still the same as doin 36 at 8.30 am or 1.00 pm or 6.30 pm.
It's still speeding and chance's are it was local to him.
They put it on a website where they are and people still whine like fuck when they get done.
And his sat nav should of picked it up anyway.
14-09-2008, 09:21 AM
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Thanks for all the info!!
For those of you that think slightly speeding at 3am is the worst thing ever, dont you go over speed limit EVER? even in your expensive fast cars? if not well done!
For those of you that think slightly speeding at 3am is the worst thing ever, dont you go over speed limit EVER? even in your expensive fast cars? if not well done!
14-09-2008, 09:55 AM
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mate dont listen to all these tossers trying to scare you, if it was facing you and it flashed you aint gonna get done, its that simple as they will only get one pic of your car and the other you will be past it as its ment to flash twice but will have the same point set to go off
been flashed loads of times with cameras going towards them and fuck all happens
speed awareness course is when you are about to loose your licence and never offered as a first offence for doing 36 in a 30 at 3am ffs
some people on here sometimes
been flashed loads of times with cameras going towards them and fuck all happens
speed awareness course is when you are about to loose your licence and never offered as a first offence for doing 36 in a 30 at 3am ffs
some people on here sometimes
14-09-2008, 10:12 AM
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You seem to be confusing 2 signals with the fact that it requires 2 photos to be taken. The photos are needed as the radar alone is too unreliable to be admissable in court. Unfortunately everyone seems to have forgotten this, and just goes off the radar data, not the photographic proof.
14-09-2008, 03:30 PM
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Been through loads of gatso facing me and set em off never been done.
Got done by a trevello one which faces you flashed red- anyone who says though dont CLEARLY has never been done by one.
Also been on a speed awareness workshop- they only offer it you ( in Warwickshire ) if you are on the point of prosecution and they only offer it for speeders in 30 and 40mph zones- its like a let off and they know it which is why they only offer it if you haven't gone too far over the limit.
They also dont offer it if the 3 points you should of got would make it 12 on your licence the same way you cant have a fixed penalty if you have 8 or more points.
Although I'm not expert I have managed to get about 25 points on my licence in the last 8 years and have been done by speed gun, pulled over, been to court, Gatso'd and Truvello'd.
Got done by a trevello one which faces you flashed red- anyone who says though dont CLEARLY has never been done by one.
Also been on a speed awareness workshop- they only offer it you ( in Warwickshire ) if you are on the point of prosecution and they only offer it for speeders in 30 and 40mph zones- its like a let off and they know it which is why they only offer it if you haven't gone too far over the limit.
They also dont offer it if the 3 points you should of got would make it 12 on your licence the same way you cant have a fixed penalty if you have 8 or more points.
Although I'm not expert I have managed to get about 25 points on my licence in the last 8 years and have been done by speed gun, pulled over, been to court, Gatso'd and Truvello'd.
14-09-2008, 06:26 PM
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mate dont listen to all these tossers trying to scare you, if it was facing you and it flashed you aint gonna get done, its that simple as they will only get one pic of your car and the other you will be past it as its ment to flash twice but will have the same point set to go off
been flashed loads of times with cameras going towards them and fuck all happens
speed awareness course is when you are about to loose your licence and never offered as a first offence for doing 36 in a 30 at 3am ffs
some people on here sometimes
been flashed loads of times with cameras going towards them and fuck all happens
speed awareness course is when you are about to loose your licence and never offered as a first offence for doing 36 in a 30 at 3am ffs
some people on here sometimes
BTW, i'v never had ANY points in 20 years of driving, and i do 45k a year, can all you so called safe drivers say the same? i'll wait the 2 weeks out. Just seemed odd to me about the flash while i was facing it....
It's an infra-red one. You're probably getting confused with PEEK cameras, which look like Truvelos (round windows) but flash like Gatsos...
14-09-2008, 08:15 PM
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Plus Speed is way more accurate
14-09-2008, 08:51 PM
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Radar cannot be directional - It sends out a signal, that signal bounces back, and that's how it works out the speed. They just aren't set up to accurately register the speed head on.
Fully functioning cameras can and do flash if you go towards them head on, but you won't get 'done'.
Fully functioning cameras can and do flash if you go towards them head on, but you won't get 'done'.
The units CAN differentiate between oncoming and receding traffic. This is an option in the configuration.
You are correct in that oncoming cars can trigger the live units, but only if the unit is set to do this. In reality this is unlikely as half of the pictures would then be wasted on unenforceable cases.
If a dummy unit is fitted then I reckon they'd leave it set to bi-directional to scare more motorists...
I said it's not directional, which it isn't. By saying 'signal' I implied that it 'fires' out the radar continuously (not twice), and interprets the returned signal/s.
You seem to be confusing 2 signals with the fact that it requires 2 photos to be taken. The photos are needed as the radar alone is too unreliable to be admissable in court. Unfortunately everyone seems to have forgotten this, and just goes off the radar data, not the photographic proof.
You seem to be confusing 2 signals with the fact that it requires 2 photos to be taken. The photos are needed as the radar alone is too unreliable to be admissable in court. Unfortunately everyone seems to have forgotten this, and just goes off the radar data, not the photographic proof.
Neil.
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14-09-2008, 09:23 PM
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there is one on chiswick bridge (gatso) going out of london gets me every time no come back. what about bikers goin through average speed check on motorway bastards get away with it!
dont worry at all. as long as was a gatso original money box.
dont worry at all. as long as was a gatso original money box.
15-09-2008, 09:47 AM
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Just because bikes accelerate faster than cars it doesn't mean that riders constantly have the throttle back to the stop. I'm a biker and I have a clean license, not because I just don't get caught but because I'm not one of the worst speeders of all!! True there are idiots out there on bikes but there are far more in cars that try and goad bikes into racing them.Debs
15-09-2008, 10:38 AM
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neil, where was this, i got flashed when i was going head on to a camera, it was in Essex a few months ago heading out of Basildon towards Chemlsford on a little windy road in a 30, i never got anything for it, My mate also told me he had been through it and got flashed, its a problem with the camera!
15-09-2008, 11:09 AM
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Danw and Maria are right, if its a gatso then your fine. Ive been flashed several times late at night in the same situation.
Truvelo are digital so you would not have been flashed and its more likely it would be on your side of the road.
Truvelo are digital so you would not have been flashed and its more likely it would be on your side of the road.
15-09-2008, 04:11 PM
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gatso cameras can be triggerd when you drive towards them but they do not mesure your speed they just error and set the camera off as they are only calibrated to calculate mph as you drive away from the camera, but it could have been another make camera and i dont know much about them but if it was a gatso you will be ok, hope this helps 
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Mind you, no speed would be shown in that case - it should show "ILLEGAL" or similar if the radar measurement is on the piss. I was told that all samples must be within a certain range of the mean.
Burn em all I say. I spent about 10 years deliberately setting every oncoming camera I saw off before I learnt that they're directional.
