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for keeping act downs
for keeping water temps down in summer
best air flow and no boost drop off?

there r a few new i/c out there now which one is best??

Mike Gurney

a front mount single pass with a wrc core will do you best

i have a spare reverse charge carrier if you need one

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i am after a new i/c defo of thinking of going single pass

vroooom ptssssh

GRS is good also.... or twin cossie or even tripple.......what u got jusnow Alex, looks like a GRS?

Jon ERST S2

I like the idea of the Proally one. That runs a seperate rad for the turbo. Sounds like a great idea to me, saves heating up the normal water system. Whats the worst that could happen if your turbo rad gets overheating? you'd just have to let the turbo cool down, whereas if the engine gets overheated it's got to be far worse...

Sexy-RS

His got grs now yes Need temps lower

wayneclayden

Ladies and gents... we have the best all round kit!!
Good for low act's , massive internal air flow, easy to fit, utilises all standard hoses, allows space for a cold air feed to the turbo or a pro alloy turbo cooler.
Kit supplied with everything you need - cooler, brackets fans etc.

Series 2 intercooler kit



And with the turbo cooler fitted

we will be at the Donnington show this weekend

Versus_Creations

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Whats the ACT temp when on full boost?

Im surprised that the GRS is not good enough.

wayneclayden

hi Jon... the turbo can not over heat with the turbo cooler because we are cooling the water after the turbo!!
this cooler just cools the water before it re- enters the system, making the whole water system cooler

Jon ERST S2

Ah got you, so it's not in it's own system just almost an extension of the normal radiator system.

Wasn't saying it was a bad thing either. How well would it work having a seperate radiator just for the turbo or would it not be worth it as the pre-rad cools the turbo water enough to not raise overall water temps?

Oranoco

I'm amazed the GRS you have isn't giving the ACT's you need . Damn boy how much boost are you running

I think one of the mags (Performance Ford are you reading? ) needs to do a proper head to head test of the available intercoolers not just making notes of the ACT's but also of the water temps.

Paddy

Is the pro alloy intercooler available without the fans? If so how much please

Mike Gurney

I got mine made by radtec - its my own design, but I am very pleased with the end result

you could get your GRS converted to a single pass

what are your water temps like ?

Pro Alloy - thats a proper looking bit of kit !! what does it retail at ? how thick is the core ?

wayneclayden

Mike Gurney,
Hi Mike,
The retail is £380.00+ vat
all pf users are entitled to 10% off that price
ps the core is 40mm thick- this gives good air flow to the water radiator
paddy;
you can deduct a further £50.00 without the twin fans...we would make this to order though as we would need to omit the welded fan brackets
another batch of 20 being made as we speak

Rick

Pro Alloy - i have no doubt that it will work well temp wise, but what about airflow?

It's still a twin pass. Have u any data regarding pressure before and after the intercooler?

wayneclayden

rick its a single pass!! the air flows from bottom to top
and there is no pressure drop- in fact we see a gain in pressure because of the greater air density and better air flow characteristics..

K3V HA

Whats the diff between single or twin pass??

wayneclayden

These are the basics....
An intercooler consists of a core (the section with the tubes and the zig zag fins) and two end tanks (the boxes where the inlet and outlet pipes are welded to)
A single pass intercooler has one pipe on each end tank- thus the internal air only has a single pass of the core.
A double pass has both inlet and outlet pipes on the same end tank with a dividing plate between them- thus the air has a double pass of the core.
Generally people normally have double pass cores so the pipework is easier for fitment but the internal air flow is cut in half- not good for a high performance cooler
Unlike other manufacturers our cooler has the end tanks on the top and bottom therefore we can give a single pass cooler and have the pipes where they need to be!!

Paddy

These look like a top bit of kit mate

Will be in touch after xmas when funds are more readily available

Also, you say they fit straight on? no mucking about with cutting the bumper from the inside?

wayneclayden

paddy1977,
The only modification to the car is one 8mm hole to be drilled in the slam panel!!!
no cutting at all

Wazzzer

Twin pass has to go from left to right and then back again, single pass just goes from left to right or in Pro Alloys case, just up!

Wazzzer

I am waaaay too slow today

Mike Rainbird

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Wayne,
Stop showing off .

wayneclayden

Mike Rainbird,

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rudey car is at grove as we talk i am looking for a new cooler as the old one is not up to the job and i dont want to cook my eng with the hi water temps come summer and thats with two fans

Sexy-RS

We didn't get till grove till late rudey and i was in fancy dress think i scared em all away Mark said they tested one on a cossie which was really good but he couldn't remember off the top of his head what it was. But it brought the temps right down think it was a bit late and he had, had a hard day lol There gonna go over his car then call to talk business


His running a bernie stage 2 box rudster And broke it once well lost 5th gear, but he is the first and only person so far to manage this on the stage 2 box lol

Has any one used or tested this cooler on a high power rst yet?

CabrioTurbo

does look a propper cooler! if i was gonna buy a new one its the one id go for.. alas the GRS will have to do me for now!

Pro alloy... do you sell the cooling fans seperate.. if so how much!
CheeRS
Phil

wayneclayden

Phil, for fans, go to our site and click on the spal logo and all the fans are there.
all pf users can subtract 10% from the prices shown.
(prices do not include vat.)
most sizes are in stock

sexy-aRSe
The cooler grove tested on that day was one of our Escort Cosworth RS500 type coolers

vroooom ptssssh

Ditto that


Alex, out of curiosity what boost d'ya run mate?

Sexy-RS

Alex is only running 18psi lol Soon to be more though In the summer his temps where so high even with 2 fans, sid has the same problem

vroooom ptssssh

high boost and ignition advance (im sure thats right) makes the car VERY VERY hot very quickly if ure givin it some, turbo almost glows red instantly, obv only see it if its on a RR! lol, maybe this is part of the problem?

has he got a lower temp fan switch? is the rad in good nick? a re-core would prob bring temps down further! header cap fine aswell?....

AndyRST

Where were the fans mounted? on the front of the cooler or direct onto the Rad?

What was he using std RST rad, or alloy rad?

Cheers

Sexy-RS

Dave don't think this is the prob And he was running a pace alloy rad which started to leak at begining of the show season so had it recored by graham at grs so was brand new And the temps seemed to have raised slightly more since the grs recore aswell

Andy the fans sit behind the intercooler, on the rad itself

JamboRS

grs i/c can cause temps to rise slightly as for overheating dont think its to do with your i/c.they dont raise water temps to the point of overheating think youve got other probs there m8.
AVA in glasgow do the best intercooler that ive seen doesnt cover all of rad can use standard fan and get act no higher than 35degrees,t28rst uses one of these best to speak to him(davie where r u<back me up ).
they are dear but think about £500

Sexy-RS

When did someone say it was overheating? Think you have miss- read this post!

JamboRS

is cookin engine not overheatin,water temps have nothin to do with ur i/c,yes they will rise slightly in traffic but no to the point of cookin an engine

Sexy-RS

He said he doesn't want to cook his engine come summer As his car has gone away for more work so will be running more power/boost Then engine is Not or has Not been COOKING, just running very warm in the summer finding it hard to bring the act's down