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The FIA stewards' decision to apply a retroactive 25-second penalty to Lewis Hamilton has stripped the McLaren driver of victory in the Belgian Grand Prix and handed the win to Felipe Massa.

Below is the statement from the stewards explaining their verdict.


From: The stewards of the meeting

To: The team manager, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes

The stewards, having received a report from the Race Director and having met with the drivers and team managers involved, have considered the following matter, determine a breach of the regulations has been committed by the competitor and impose the penalty referred to.

No./driver: 22, Lewis Hamilton

Time: 15:21:33

Facts: Cut the chicane and gained an advantage

Offence: Breach of Article 30.3(a) of the 2008 FIA Formula 1 sporting regulations and Appendix L chapter 4 Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code.

Penalty: Drive-through penalty (Article 16.3 (a)), since this is being applied at the end of the race, 25 seconds will be added to the driver’s elapsed race time.

FIA Stewards of the Meeting

Received by: Lewis Hamilton, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes

Mclaren lodges APPEAL
FIA'S Internation court of APPEAL on a date to be determined.

rickbartlett

2 rite.good luck to them

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A backlash from racefans and the media the F.I.A. tonight confirmed that the STEWARDS have received notice from Mclaren that it will APPEAL thier DECISION...

I have been in motorsport for 40 years its a joke (now) Mclaren will win the APPEAL.

m_nettleship

man you must be stupid not to see why he got a penalty.

Blatent.

Rich_w

Not surprised.



Ought to win, but someone mentioned earlier that if hed turned around and completed the 2nd part of the chicane he wouldnt of been able to overtake Kimi. Which would of then meant Kimi wouldnt of pushed so hard he lost it.

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Hamilton was deemed to have "cut the chicane and gained an advantage", thereby breaching Article 30.3(a) of the sporting regulations and Appendix L chapter 4 Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code.

DID NOT KIMI overtake Lewis again and then Kimi spun and hit the wall.

rickbartlett

FERRARI SEEM TO GET AWAY WIV IT THO.PLUS HE BACKED OFF AFTER NOTICING HE HAD GAINED TOO MUCH

pig

this is eccelstone,fia are cunts.wrong,wrong,wrong and i fucking hate hamilton.he deserved the win period.i cant see how maclaren win not win the appeal as it is a total piss take

rickbartlett

aint this c##k bernie ecclestone british??? he dont give a toss tho.doesnt even want a british gp on the calendar

m_nettleship

backed off ha ha ha.

come on watch it again. he wouldent have got that close on the streight. if he took the corner normal. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT WATS SO EVA.

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Kimi ALSO deemed to have "cut A CORNER when he was behind Lewis and gained an advantage", BY COMING OUT IN THE LEAD AGAIN, THEN SPUN THEN 3 CORNERS LATER SPUN AGAIN AND HIT THE WALL ....thereby breaching Article 30.3(a) of the sporting regulations and Appendix L chapter 4 Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code.

RSCossieGaz

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seems like the FIA still have it in for mclaren after last seasons goings on!

m_nettleship

or maybe they penalty the rule breakers

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There are many ways for McLaren to appeal.
Miscarriage of justice is one of many.( to the stewards)

danneth

in your opinion what should hamilton have done then run into the side of him?

m_nettleship

not over taken him. from his advantage. Thats Simple too

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IDIOT

Rich_w

Just reverse the position in yuor mind. So it was Kimi overtaking Lewis after cutting across the chicane and emerging 5 foot behind him.

Still think no advantage was gained?

Karting

Lewis tried to overtake Kimi at the chicane, Kimi gave Lewis no room, it was either go up the curb and then there would have been an acciedent, so he took avoiding action and came out of the corner in front. He then let Kimi go by and then re-passed Kimi on the next corner. Lewis is now in the lead and Kimi went off the track and gained an advantage and went passed Lewis, so Kimi is now in the lead, he then goes to the next corner in the lead and spins. Now you have Lewis in the lead. Three corners later, Kimi spins yet again and hits the wall.

RWD_cossie_wil

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He gave the position back, and Kimi failed to give him room, hence why Hamilton HAD to cut the chicane to avoid a crash..... He was alongside the Ferrari, should have been given room, after he cut the corner he dropped back, gave Kimi the place back, then overtook again. 100% correct and should NOT get penalized, end of.

FIA= Ferrari Interests Agencey , or Ferrari International Assistance.

m_nettleship

not giving him room is racing,, cutting corners is cheating SIMPLE

Rich_w

As is his right. This is racing after all. So long as he doesnt actually hit him its legalish

Yes. I agre with that.


This is the FIAs point. That when Lewis let Kimi past he didnt slow up enough. That he hadnt actually lost any ground to Kimi. If he had been 5-10 car lengths back when he lifted I daresay the FIA wouldnt of got involved. But becasue he was so close he got in the tow and outbraked Kimi.

irony is if hed donw that Lewis would still of won as he clearly had the pace of Kimi in the last 2 laps. Just passed him elsewhere.

Its ultimately the right decision. But it doesnt half look bad.

On a related note if Heikki had to pit after nerfing Webber for a new nose. He probably wouldnt of got a drive through.

melzieann

spot on mate, agreed

where does it say u have to completely back off for lets say 2 seconds b4 ur power off it doesnt

it says u must yield the place which he did

FasterFords

Kimi did run off track later in the lap and got a better run on Lewis just before the williams got in the way.

Will they give Kimi a 25 second penalty for the next race ? (on no, he's in a Ferrari)

The Youth.

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not sure what race you were watching m8, but hamilton HAD to miss the chicaine to avoid hitting him, he then let him passed again correctly..
end of..

can you give me one good reason why massa wasn't penilised last time out for going side by side down the pit lane??

simpley the fia still have it in for mclaren

steve

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statement from the stewards explaining their verdict.
At the beginning of the post now..

rssteve

is there any links to this part of race on youtube?

RWD_cossie_wil

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Makes me laugh, M Nettleship and Orion crazy Carl (in the other thread), both obviously "Hamilton Haters" , learn the rules of motor racing, if somone is ALONGSIDE you, you cannot just lean on them, you HAVE to give them racing room, or it would be impossible to overtake! Jesus

The Youth.

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found this on another post, wil your right lol

steve

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(The rules say that Lewis must let him go in front, but not by how much.(Kimi) is in the lead NOW . Lewis then out braked KIMI into the corner)Lewis is now in the lead, Kimi later, while in second place, goes off the track and gains an advantage on Lewis ..and then Kimi goes into the lead AGAIN, then he goes one more corner, while KIMI is still in the lead and spins ...
Then three corners later (KIMI) spins again and hits the wall..

dojj

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rich w gave a good answer whic sort of stole my thunder, but the end of the matter is that the same thing that the other mac driver did earlier on the race, punting that fella out of contention when he got it wrong would have got both of them out of the race probably, as in kimi and lewis

lewis simply put his foot down before kimi could get away whic hasdeemed him to have taken advantage, if he had let him go for a second or so and then put the foot down i don't think they would have given him the penalty

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and when Lewis had out braked Kimi, Kimi tried to knock Lewis off, he hit him twice?
If you remember rightly at the beginning of the race, he even tried to push his own team mate on the grass..

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McLaren....has said.
"We have no option but to register our intent to appeal".
They show that after cutting the chicane Lewis lifted off. He was 6kph slower than Kimi.
After conceding the lead to Kimi Lewis repositioned his car on the right and beat Kimi on the brakes going into the hairpin.
I.M.H.O. with the appeal unlikely to be heard before the Singapore Grand Prix.

m_nettleship

i hate hamilton, and no he didnt bk off. or if he did no were near enough. if he didnt cut the corner he wouldent have got alongside him so early in the streight, advantage GAINED.

ive won 1 race im gonna be better than schumacher blah blah blah. zzzzz

hey will big deal.

They got the decsion right. hamilton never backed of to let him past at all. if he had any sense he wud have stayed behind him on the streight. Then no of this would have happened.

yes u can lean on em, it happens all the fecking time. even if its against the rules it still happens, but wen he cut the corner he shud have stayed behind thats all.

nilrem

are you just thick??? he cut the corner so that both could finish the race! being forced onto the grass would have sent hamilton into Raikkonen ending it for both of them, he then gave kimi the place back... now then, how the fuck is that not backing off? he came out in FRONT, let kimi pass, then came round the BACK then out braked him... how is that not backing off? remember that these cars ahve similar acceleration, so full throttel by hamilton would have kept him in the lead!!!!

The Sludge

WELL HERES MY VIEW


first time i saw the race tonight at the highlights (due to hospital visit this afternoon) and one of the best races ive seen since mansell/senna/prost days. This race will ultimatley be a discussion point of the season. I think its highly unfair that hamilton should be penalised.

It seems to me that Raikkonen played dirty at the bend and tried to force hamilton off. Ithink this MAY have caused front suspension damage to his car which has then possibly led him to spin off. Hamilton had receeded his 1st place BEFORE the finish line, making him effectively 2nd place still.

He then overtook AFTER the finish lane making him 1st.

Id be really disappointed if any of the stewards or FIA didnt take this same view and if not, id almost say theres some massive backhanders going on. Hamilton played fair unlike ferrari as usual.

Mark_w

I think you are letting your heart rule your head and you sound like a immature twat.

mark

jammy86

Is it cause he is black? seriously.....?

dojj

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpqlEg19NK0

anyone with half an eyeball will see that lewis did not give kimi the lad back, kimi had to plant it to get it back from lewis

a fairly cut and shut case, so all you lot complaining should stop

Chip

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If that was him giving it back, he certainly could have made it a LOT more obvious where he was doing so, that doesnt look like someone willingly giving up the lead.