Mike I dont have a problem with Chip, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just try and get the point across about the things we have to deal with and the fact we are dammed if we do and dammed if we dont sort of thing.

Like I said, I know of the power and where or when I can use it. That scenario about the bays in the car park is not what the power is for. If I got a sec 59 warning for that I would be going mad. What I dont know ( and Im the first to admit this ) is about any appeal that a person can have. I just cant see the police seizing the vehicle after the warning and then having it crushed without anyway to dispute this. I will make it my mission to find out the total process with regards to sec 59 and I will get back to you all. Maybe Arch knows it inside out, after all he is traffic.

 

Metpol, from how I see things, the BIGGEST issue that you have to face, is that so many of the public hate the police, without public coperation your job must be FAR harder.

So given that, you would have thought that your colleages who go around pissing people off just for the sake of it, would have sense to know better

Only yourselves to blame in a lot of cases sadly, if the police want respect, they need to act with integrity and fairness, even though the public they are dealing with often dont, thats my opinion anyway.

 

With speeding you need ideally a mechanical way of measuring the persons speed. This is normally done via Vascar etc or an officer to witness it by following the vehicle in a police vehicle. We would get ripped apart for just saying he looked like he was going over 30. There was this one time in court where an idependent witness came to court claiming that someone was driving careless , speeding etc. Anyway, the defence solicitor threw a pencil across the court and said how fast was that pencil travelling at.. obviously the court threw it all out as the witness who made the allegation couldnt answer.

If there are offences of dangerous driving, then we will deal with them obviously. The sec 59 offence is not an alternative to every day motoring offences, its set up to stop anti social vehicle behaviour, which can lead to an annoyance. It can be used for people revving cars outside for no apparent reason, scramblers being used on fields where they shouldnt be. etc etc etc.

 

Like I was saying Chip, we will always be dammed if we do and dammed if we dont sort of thing..

There will always be far more people who hate the police then who actually like us.. Im not going to say every copper is an angel as I have seen Police rub people up the wrong way for no reason at all.. Im just glad im not one of them ( well I hope not anyway ). I work with the theory that I speak to people how I would like to be spoken to, manner and politness cost nothing. It can even be a good tool, many a time I have been to calls and there is some huge blokes who could quite easily kill me and they are ranting for whatever reason shouting. If you go in all polite ytou tend to find they come down to your level. If you go to a call at a level of 30000ft then what do you expect if someone goes up to it. All that does is end up in roll arounds which are uncalled for.

 

although i agreewith chip to a point some police thrive on power trips and are biased god iknow had a few even use there personal time to try to catch me out , but in this day of age i think the decent copper has a hard job especaily with the youths of today the forces hands are tied up ,when i was a kid our local copper would catch us out here and there and his answer would be its a clobber from me or your old fella , of coarse u would choose the copper as it was better to have your ears ringing for half hour rather than the beatting ur dad would diss out

lets face it there are cunts in all walks of lifeso why would the police be any different but we couldnt be without them

 

typical passionford bickering with chips usual driviell and stories involved
but not one person calls you a fucking idiot jim!!!!!
3 rd hitting limiter in your an m3 in a built up area??? imagine hitting a person even worse a child!!!!
i know everyone speeds but that jim kindly refers you to a fucking clown in my book!
you should be banned off the road for everyones safety

 

Jay. I agree that the ones trying to do their job well have a hard job, and largely go unapprecaited for it too, which genuinely is a shame.

And I also agree that without the police at all, we would of course be FAR worse off, even a ropey police force is better than anarchy!

 

Anyway I prefer the old law where the station sergeant could give the felon 6 licks of the cat for any wrong doing lol

 

Was ok back then, cause the police had respect and treated people with respect, wouldnt work these days though.

 

Human rights... always those dam human rights

 

2 of my friends have got them in the past, both have recieved nothing at the time and it cam through the post, I was there both times so I can vouch for that.
Also they were both for doing silly speeds and they couldn't prove it, so the same scenario as you. You will get a letter eventaully.

 

Dark Knight, great film

Anyway,
Splendidly insulting there old boy. I have met many many people who have a law degree, some even police officers I work with. By no stretch of anyones imagination, even as colourful as yours, could they be considered intelligent. Educated yes, they can read a book and memorise answers, but intelligence. This is not a slight on those people who have studied and who indeed are intelligent, however, I assume perhaps wrongly, that you generally believe that school leavers are now more intelligent as they are gaining better grades? Or are they just more educated?



Why is it hard to believe that someone could remain a traffic officer for there full 30 years? Where is it written that they must move out/get promoted. I am content with where I am, does this make me a bad person? I believe that you think I should be doing something else, if I go across to CID does this mean my brain power has increased? My wife is due a promotion to Sgt, does this mean I should be ashamed of my own lack of ambition. I have seen the role of a Sgt/Inspector, it is a drudgery of desk bound boredom shuffling forms. I did genuinely join to patrol the streets, where I am happy.

I am not going to try and enter an argument about how clever I am, I left school after 'O' levels and decided to enter the workplace. I did not want further education.

At what point would you consider someone educated enough to make an informed opinion on a subject? After three-five years of classroom work OR nearly 20 years of front line work?

 

that line has had me in stiches

i think, wihtout meaning to cause offence to any of the readership, is that chip is saying one thing to arch/metpol and they are replying in another manner

he's made some valid points but seems to be up against "we didn't make the rules, we just follow them" brigade
18 weeks is a long time to be taught how to do the job, but then you spend the next 30 years getting better at it, rather than getting worse

in the prefect world, you'd get pulled over, the copper/copperess would walk over and ask the usuals "after" they'd already done the checks on their little ocmputers to find out what they needed to know and, if the guy behind the steerig wheel was the owner/insured/etc that would be it

but you have far too many officers wasting your (not just yours personally, but the tax payers time as well when they should be out nicking proper crims) time just standing about talking the talk

2 incidents came to mind for myself personally
1, the 3 door got broken into one night, and the copper who came out to take the statement was the same copper who, 6 hours later, pulled me over and asked "is this your car sir" and got all shirty with me, knowing full well that it was and that i was following his advise and taking it to ford to get it assesed and repaired by the insurance company
he ended the onversation with "don't let me see you in ealing agian, or i'll nick you" what he was going to nick me for he never made clear but fuck me was i pissed off with that one

the second time was when i was followed by a copper into my driveway in his patrol car, allowed to park up, then told "you weren't wearing your seatbelt, here's a Ł30 fine, do you live here? then you won't mind running inside to get your documentation then will you"
"no thanks, i'd rather you gave me a producer if it's all the same to you, i was waering my belt when i was in the car but i can't really proove that to you now can i, especially as there are 2 of you and only one of me"

there are hundreds more i could mention, "i've stopped you because you've got some holes in your bonnet" about the 3 door being one of them but why don't they just be honest and say "you look a bit young to be driving that" without getting all trippy on their supposed power, i would never advocate doing a jase in tuesday nights episode of eastenders and lobbing one accross the bonnet of your motor, but sometimes you just wish yuo had a big stick to twat them about the head with

 

On topic slightly... Last year i was stopped one night and given a section 59. Driving like a bit of a fanny. Copper went on about me hearing from them etc.. heard nothing for a while, then on the doormat landed a court summons, being charged with careless driving.

6points and Ł450 later, here i am, typing this reply.

 

PERSONALLY i think its unfair if its used cause YOU CANT PROVE SOMEONE WAS SPEEDING

its a bit like what the pound copper said to me when i collected my car " tbh mate traffic nick people driving these cars with any excuse cause we all know you have broken some law but aint sure what or when"

no doubt i will get a section 59 at somepoint,,, its like a parking ticket these. Cause theres no REAL court you just have to pay it or find other ways around it

its a bitch but its life

the only good thing is Karma,,,,,, that will get these tossers who abuse there powers at some point

 

yes earl

 

i got one verbally over the phone when i overtook an off duty copper doing abit over the limit. my mates also had his first verbally and the second they did tow car, funny thing is he bought it back 2 days later. whats the point.

 

I love section 59's. I had scrotes on scooters outside my flat making noise for weeks on end and eventually with lots of complaining to my local lookie-likey copper they issued the main scrote with a section 59 and he vanished. Pukka.

 

FPMSL