matt p

Why bother. it was full of evo's and scoobies anyway.

If i wanted to watch that stuff, ill go to a jap show thanks....Whats the fucking point of having a RSOC day and letting jap cars on?.

The PF track day at brands was alot better!!!!!!!

dakar

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Were you in your cossy mate..wot was up with it?

cozzfather

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i can't remember the first one i went to but i remember going to Boreham for the Essex rs owners club day in 91 when Ford Motorsport unveiled the escort cosworth.
i suppose it may of been 1990 then i first went to a National Day, its the same old same old tbh, blokes watching proper RS's designed for rallying going round a track, a load of second hand stuff and traders selling, i would love it if someone had the balls to do ND at Oulton Park and use the rally track instead of the race track

COS 22

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rod tarry

you do talk rubbish

why so negative , whats the club done to you ??

RobL

i first went in 96 and it was a cracking show
still a good day out now but the 90s were the glory years for the RS
majority of them are fucked now

Ian M500COS

Have to say that if the dinosaurs who run the club aren't careful it will implode into obscurity. Too much politics in it if you ask me, and rules just for the sake of rules. It should be about enjoyment of our cars!!

One such daft rule that always pissed me off was I wasnt allowed to show my Escort Cosworth (M500COS) on my local group stand on National Day because it was built from a trimmed shell and wasn't a "genuine car". Yet the club would willingly take my money for my membership and I could show it on regional days. Now most of the "genuine" RS cars on the stands have been ripped to bits and rebuilt by their current/previous owners over the years and on some, the only genuine bits are the windscreens and badge!! So they arent genuine Ford built RS cars either!!

If we aren't careful, the politics in this game will finish off what is a vastly diminishing marque!!

CossieRich

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Everytime a bad word is said against the RSOC you pop up defending it. Are you a hardcore member or on the committee?

Rab

Fucking RSOC. They're fords not fucking handbuilt Ferrari's.....




This is why I was only a member for 2 years

COS 22

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i am on the committee

i just wondered why an old man had so many bad feelings?

Lee Reynolds

LOL same old posts from the same old people.

Its a CLUB for a marque of car that people love. If you dont love the marque and dont want to be a part of the club then fuck off and dont be Whats the problem? Do people sit and whinge/type about a club in town that they dont enjoy drinking beer in? No, they just dont go in it!

BIG LEE

if they lowered prices of trade stands etc they would be loads more people, for an autojumble stall it costs around Ł60 in advance or Ł85 on the day that's for one entry also so with anther two passes its an extra Ł30 and the likes of us up north its a 3-hour drive at least in the van loaded the fuel doesn't help my dads van is 3.0 v6 so there's another Ł100+ on top, that's what killing it the cost of stalls

Turbosystems

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Rod meldrew

Ginge !

i rememeber when i phoned up to ask about being a member, asked about the car, told em its a turbo powered cabrio and the bird started talking about " its a club for real RS cars, genuine cars only Q plate cars or not RS cars aint allowed " started giving me some sort of speach about genuine cars ect ect ect and kept speaking down about the car, said i had to send a check, i can pay but i wouldnt be a "proper" member was the term she used

NEVER paied and just went to the shows, infact i was rather pissed off about the attitude of her

cozzfather

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the bit about the built up escort cosworth shell is a joke, thats exactly how group a escort cosworths belonging to ford motor company were built,ie from a shell.
so were the ones that won the european rally championship, built from shells supplied by ford motorsport, its good enough for the ford motorsport but not the rsoc ??
maybe the rsoc back then thought they were dodgy
i'm sure that must of been one or two berks and not the majority of the club.

Ian M500COS

My sentiments exactly. And many of the cars at the show have been rebuilt with different engines etc. Most to a higher spec than when new!!

Lee Reynolds

Thats called modifying your genuine RS. The RS that you are an owner of, and are in the RS owners club!

I really dont see why people have a problem with not being able to show their non genuine RS at an RSOC show!
Just because the RSOC wont accept your car as a Genuine RS( which it is not) doesnt mean it isnt as good as or if not better than a genuine RS.

PAUL S

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the club does not even recognise any of the RS500 touring cars as genuine "real" RS cars either, as they were built up and not part of the run of 500 road cars - old gripe of mine, but they were still happy for them to all turn up a couple of years ago at national day as they pull in big crowds of open minded enthusiasts. Ford even used them in their advertising at the time, but thats not good enough for the RSOC.

I think each car should be judged on its own individual merits rather than a blanket veto of anything non factory assembled, its hardly like a bunch of sweaty Belgian semi skilled assembly workers are going to nail together a better car in a few hours than professionals like Rouse, Eggenberger who took weeks of careful preperation.

cozzfather

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i joined the rsoc in the late 80's and saw what was happening with cosworths and shells etc i'm 100% confident that a built up motorsport rs is more of a rs than a road car rs.

a RS500 european touring car championship winner is more of a rs500 than a road car as the road car had to be built so ford motor company could race the real RS 500 WHICH WAS WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT

same as the escort cosworth, if you bought a genuine escort cosworth motorsport shell from boreham along with a transit full of parts to build a rally car you have a proper car. Ford built them for motorsport thats the whole point of Rally Sport
don't listen to monkeys who have their heads shoved up their RS's.

ford would not have built the RS500 road car if they could have just raced the RS500 race car.
and they wouldn't have built 2500 road car escort cosworths just to rally the group a rally car.

Turbosystems

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the genuine ford built rs cars were built with genuine ford rs parts at the factory,most of the cars built up from shells were built up with the parts from the previously mentioned cars not with the real owners permission,as he had no idea where his genuine ford built cosworth was anymore.
I fully support the RS owners club.
Ian you were conned by a company with your car once

cozzfather

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not sure what you mean mate

i still think if you have a engine made by ford and cosworth and a rally sport body shell made by ford its a ford rs even if made with second hand parts.
when i first joined it was all about associate members who didn't own a rs and full members who had their car pinched got pushed straight into associate membership which was tight imo.

i once asked dave brodie which was best a Group A RS500 touring car or a RS500 road car and he said if you drove in the btcc you would know,and he owned loads of RS500's road cars and race
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Stavros

How the fuck is Ians old Escort Cossie not a genuine RS you fucking clown

Genuine bollocks, its not a fucking rep built from a FWD shell

Its a Cossie shell, Cossie running gear, Cossie everything, its not even on a Q plate, its a fucking Cossie

RS peeps are such utter spunkdrinkers sometimes

Ian M500COS

Certainly agree Stavros. Yes, and on the logbook it said "Escort Cosworth"......Duh? And my insurance company certainly took RS money off me for 13 years!! And the fact that it was registered new on an M plate meant it was built from all genuine new RS parts. But not good enough for the RS owners club on National Days!! Still it was good enough for its new owner who gave me Ł35,000 for it when the car wasnt even for sale, thank you very much!

Not dissing the club as it must be hard to administer and run etc but they need to get their head out of the sand and remember what its all about!! If I buy another Esc Cos (which I am going to do soon, lol) I doubt I will join the main club again!

Ian M500COS

Yes Tony, Interpro supplied me with a stolen engine, but thats why they went bankrupt I would imagine. But I replaced said engine with a brand new one at enormous cost to myself! Lol, I will never forget that day when we (well you!!) found the ground off engine number lol! Naughty naughty Interpro!!!! Tut tut.

But after that minor mistake by the naughty naughty boys at Interpro, my car was 100% genuine with most of the car being upgraded over the years the same as the many Ford built factory RS cars but I was never allowed to show it on a club stand at National Day......so I put it on the Trade stands (Forge Motorsport etc) in the main arena instead, where everyone could see it, lol! Never once did anyone say, "thats not a genuine RS!!". It didnt stop 3 magazine features (tow of them front cover!) either. But hey, the RS owners club know best!

Even the Porsche club I am in has less snobbery and that is saying something! If it were the RSOC they will probably tell me my 911 Turbo is a modified VW Beetle!!

Turbosystems

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Ian i didn't want to mention the story to your car I was very tactfull
whilst your in an interpro slagging mood the story of your rear spoiler is a classic,
please be so kind as to furnishing fellow pf members with the story

Ian M500COS

Lol!!


Well basically in 1995 I paid Interpro, of Bristol a vast amount of money to build me a car (my Escort) from a bare new motorsport shell. It was finished over 2 months late (when I picked the car up, I actually left their premises at 1am in the snow!!!) and had some "bits" missing....one of them namely the rear whaletail!! They were whinging that it was expensive and it had taken them over budget and were losing money on it!! If I remember Tony?......it was only when I threatened them with court action that they agreed to supply a rear whaletail. They were Ł700 at the time!!

It was a real nightmare and a bit later, Tony and me discovered that Interpro had supplied my car with an engine that had come from a stolen car from Swindon! The ensuing crap I went through was as bad as the shit I had from Paul Hills of Engine Advantages!! Fucks me off when people off here big them up!!

Id like to add that in 1995, Tony helped me out immensely at the time, putting right minor faults that Interpro had made!!

That was about it wasn’t it Tony? Lol!!

Turbosystems

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as I recall ian they gave you some cock and bull about the spoiler melting in the paint shop oven

MikeR

So Ian, why did you not use Tony then to sort it all out ? or what made you seek Tonys advise

Mike

Ian M500COS

Lol, I think so or hadnt it been eaten by mice or something...with an appetite for plastic!!

But now I think about it, you have jogged my memory!!

It was only when Interpro got into financial difficulty a while later it was revealed that the 20 grand or so I paid, wasnt even on the books and had gone straight into the one guys pocket, lol!

Anyone question or challenge me here, be very careful I will wipe the floor with you as I have documented evidence!!

Ian M500COS

I didnt get tony to sort all of it as I had paid Interpro to build a car and I made them put right most of what I could! I sought Tonys advice because I was having the power upgraded and didnt want to take it to Interpro for that work, I used Interpro as little as possible after and it was only for expensive remedial work for their truly shocking workmanship!

Plus Tony had got me into Cosworths years earlier and did amazing tuning work (for the early 1990's) on my 3-door cosworth which I really should not have sold!!

Mike Rainbird

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It is !

MikeR

So what made you go to Interpro in the first place

Mike

Turbosystems

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he was young and not very wise and they were closer and he fell for the bull and the initial low quote ,we couldn't match their quote because we had to buy our parts to build his car where as inter POO stole them roflol

Ian M500COS

Err......No!!

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Ian M500COS

Funny to read now but soo soooooo true!!! Geez, it's like going through a time warp! Things coming back to me now!!

If Turbosystems had built my car things would have been very different Im pretty sure!! But I chose the cheapskate way.....bad bad move lol!

Mike Rainbird

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You always do . If you find someone to undercut my price by 10p, you go with them .

Ian M500COS

I promise to never ever take the cheap way again lol!

JHS

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He'll add on to his prices next time you call then...

Ian M500COS

Lol...Im sure he already does "prices are on my website"....prices exclude MAT (Mikes added tax!). hehe

cozzfather

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ian if the car i'm thinking of is the one with blue alcantara front seats i think i remember it and i would bet my car and my dog your car is as much a genuine rs as mine is,its just some mushes who don't understand motor sport cosworths where as i do

anyway long live the rsoc

Ian M500COS

Yes thats the one!! Every part was "RS" in every sense.....well apart from the genuine 909 WRC front bumper/rear spoiler and WRC front wings etc. Oh, and the interior/seats...Stack dash, Bilstein coilovers, 380mm brakes, Quaife Transmission.....Mountune Inlet, T6 ECU, 500bhp engine....etc

But the point is.....my car started life in 1995 as an Escort Cosworth had been rebuilt and heavily modified over the years. Compare that alongside say a "factory" ford car also modified with all new parts - yet I was not allowed to show my car on a RS stand at National Day where the other car may have been!!

Maybe the RSOC should bring in a Government style points system whereby the more bits you replace on your car, the less it becomes a genuine RS. Or if a car has been resprayed or rebuilt by its owner, its no longer as Mr Ford built it! Thats half of you lot on here fucked then, lol!!!

But whats the difference between a Factory Escort Cosworth "rebuilt with loads of new bits" and an Escort Coswrth Trimmed bodyshell "rebuilt withloads of new bits!!". The same parts with the same finis codes.....

If it was a 1.3 bonus to start with I maybe could see their point!!