M3 3.0 VS M3 Evo
15-08-2008, 09:19 PM
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Vanos troubles are slightly exaggerated IMO, the evo is defo the one to have!
just avoid it if the vanos is noisy, and when you do buy, make sure you look after it with regular vanos filter changes and oil changes. (vanos filter is like a fiver or summat.)
just avoid it if the vanos is noisy, and when you do buy, make sure you look after it with regular vanos filter changes and oil changes. (vanos filter is like a fiver or summat.)
15-08-2008, 09:21 PM
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15-08-2008, 09:24 PM
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ok, if youre looking to buy the best advise i can give is to not discount either, but the car on it's individual merrit rather than what one it is. there's really not much in it to make one "better" than the other.
the evo does seem to be slightly more high maintenance than the 3.0, but if it's well serviced it should be ok.
vanos is expensive when it does go wrong, and it tends to go wrong on evos often (3.0 not so much)
ok, if youre looking to buy the best advise i can give is to not discount either, but the car on it's individual merrit rather than what one it is. there's really not much in it to make one "better" than the other.
the evo does seem to be slightly more high maintenance than the 3.0, but if it's well serviced it should be ok.
vanos is expensive when it does go wrong, and it tends to go wrong on evos often (3.0 not so much)
15-08-2008, 09:25 PM
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evos are faster on motorways,,,,,, but feel the same in real time driving ( i test drove 2,,,,, both felt slow but was actually faster than it seemed)
Vanos issue is NOT exagerated,,,, its about the same as cossies melting and with the milage and age of these its a little like playing russian roulette with a semi automatic pistol,,,,,
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15-08-2008, 09:26 PM
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Im after 1 4 the track, your lookin at around 2500 to 3500. Not bothered if the arches are rusting, they tend to go on the rears dnt they.
15-08-2008, 09:30 PM
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which car are you talking about,,,, cause it AINT a M3 E36
evos are faster on motorways,,,,,, but feel the same in real time driving ( i test drove 2,,,,, both felt slow but was actually faster than it seemed)
Vanos issue is NOT exagerated,,,, its about the same as cossies melting and with the milage and age of these its a little like playing russian roulette with a semi automatic pistol,,,,,
evos are faster on motorways,,,,,, but feel the same in real time driving ( i test drove 2,,,,, both felt slow but was actually faster than it seemed)
Vanos issue is NOT exagerated,,,, its about the same as cossies melting and with the milage and age of these its a little like playing russian roulette with a semi automatic pistol,,,,,
Ok, the simple thing about the Vanos is that it gets noisy....so naturally from new the owners get worried and BMW replace it under warranty.
Then all of the other owners think they deserve a new one to replace there slightly noisy vanos unit, which then starts the ball rolling....and loads get done.
And for Tiff, what i meant was, that with regular changes you will prolong the life of it, i'm not saying it's not a problem area, but it's defo not as bad as people think.
I'd personally only ever own the EVO version.
Better car all round imo.
15-08-2008, 09:32 PM
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some rattle for a few seconds on start up,,, thats a fucked vanos just not totally fuck,, think of it as a leaking pipe,,, aint flooded the house yet and buckets will stop the floor getting wet for a while,,, but it will get worse and it may need more than a bigger bucket
15-08-2008, 09:33 PM
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i think everyone just shits themselves with the Vanos cos they've heard they are common problems & expensive
vanos motors should be treated on there own merits; if it s noisy; stay away; if its not consider buying it
my friend had a 96k evo; FBMWSH and the vanos has never been changed and was quiet
for 3500 you wont find a very tidy evo IMO, the 3.0l you probably will
vanos motors should be treated on there own merits; if it s noisy; stay away; if its not consider buying it
my friend had a 96k evo; FBMWSH and the vanos has never been changed and was quiet
for 3500 you wont find a very tidy evo IMO, the 3.0l you probably will
15-08-2008, 09:34 PM
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some rattle for a few seconds on start up,,, thats a fucked vanos just not totally fuck,, think of it as a leaking pipe,,, aint flooded the house yet and buckets will stop the floor getting wet for a while,,, but it will get worse and it may need more than a bigger bucket
It's obvious that you need to check it when buying, just like i did.
Mine was quiet, i bought the car and it was lovely, a proper car!!
No need to put people off buying a great car just cos there are a few stories out there!
15-08-2008, 09:35 PM
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whats do different on it out of interest apart from the 6 speed box ?
genuinly interested in this as i was gonna buy a evo, tested one and thought " ay,, whats wrong" then tested a normal M3,,,,, and thought the same,, no difference tbh from a driving point of veiw
hence i bought the chav mobile
15-08-2008, 09:37 PM
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15-08-2008, 09:51 PM
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its not BMW's version of vtec, they work differently
the vanos merely advances/retards the cam timing (depending on which type of vanos unit is it)
the vanos merely advances/retards the cam timing (depending on which type of vanos unit is it)
15-08-2008, 09:55 PM
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they work differently HOW >>>
tjeu adjust the cam timing to either keep adjust the time the valves are open but all over the rev range unlike the Vtec which ajusts it past a rev range,,,,, its the same thing VVT just not identical in there application
if one was VVT and the other was a super charger then that would be different,,,,, but VVT is just that,,,, go look it up and you will find its the same concept idea done another way
15-08-2008, 10:00 PM
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vtec has 2 sets of cam lobes and switches between them, so you have 2 cam profiles.
vvt/vanos is 1 cam profile that just advanced/retarded
vvt/vanos is 1 cam profile that just advanced/retarded
15-08-2008, 10:00 PM
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15-08-2008, 10:07 PM
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jims right about the lobs, the pressure moves them over
its STILL classed as VVT though jim,,, as thats what it is
getting pedantic we could do about everything in life that done things in a different way
but Vtec engines are classed as VVT, thats how they are classed just cause one is pully based and the other is extra lobes its still the same CLASS of concept
its STILL classed as VVT though jim,,, as thats what it is
getting pedantic we could do about everything in life that done things in a different way
but Vtec engines are classed as VVT, thats how they are classed just cause one is pully based and the other is extra lobes its still the same CLASS of concept
15-08-2008, 10:09 PM
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whats do different on it out of interest apart from the 6 speed box ?
genuinly interested in this as i was gonna buy a evo, tested one and thought " ay,, whats wrong" then tested a normal M3,,,,, and thought the same,, no difference tbh from a driving point of veiw
hence i bought the chav mobile
genuinly interested in this as i was gonna buy a evo, tested one and thought " ay,, whats wrong" then tested a normal M3,,,,, and thought the same,, no difference tbh from a driving point of veiw
hence i bought the chav mobile
One is 321bhp,other is 289bhp,one has 6 speed the other has 5 speed,one is newer......one is older LOL, i had a 3.0 and drove loadsa 3.2 Evo`s and the evo is the better car its just as simple as that.oh and the Evo`s have Harmon Kardon sound systems as well
15-08-2008, 10:11 PM
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except for the 5spd/6spd