-scar-

Now thats a very good question - why?

You want input as to how the RSOC is run
You want input as to how National Day runs
You want support for organising a show that requires a big input from the RSOC in terms of financial and time
You want to show your car at National Day

You seem to want a hell of a lot for someone who isn't prepared to join the club, so perhaps you could enlighten us all as to why you think you should have all of the above whilst never actually joining the club?

If you don't want to be a member then thats your choice, but IMHO, if you don't want to be part of it - then don't start banging the drum demanding to be heard.

eddie_od

iTrader: (1)

100% Agree

BRAMMER

iTrader: (23)

But you don't see the bigger picture like many on here, the day is put on for the MEMBERS of the RSOC not members of passionford and all the other millions of web forums or clubs

We get invited to take our local group to the main event where the members can show their car, if non members want to be part of this then pay the ticket price and have a walk around or abide by the visiting stand rules put in place by the show organisers.

What has happened in the past is non members have been getting onto stands (as mentioned earlier in thread) meaning that some members have missed out due to space, this being the next problem.

Rockingham got so much shit last year it would have been detrimental for the club to have held it there again as numbers would have been massively down so back to Donnington it went where everyone knows good usable space is limited especially if the weathers bad hence why rules have been put in place to make space for members first.

I don't see why people have to moan about Club issues all the time.

I'm a member i pay Ł30 per year, for this i get:

- 6 magazines which are getting better by the issue
- decent Forum with member access
- part of a decent local group which we don't pay for and other show bonuses

So i can't see what the problems are at the end of the day it's a club that people are members of in their spare time, some of the moaners on here must have the most simplest of life's if thats all they need to worry about is the RSOC.

Lloyd

have you read the whole thread mate? if not i suggest you do ,
you will then see that visiting groups are being given conflicting information regarding national day,based on this they are not booking stands or not going.so am i wrong for asking for it to be made clear the rules? this is also affecting national group members.and the rsoc by loss of revenue at nat day.

freedom of speech says i can bang as big a drum as i like.

why? because i would like to be national rsoc member,and think i could contribute to make the whole rs scene a bit better and higher profile.
and have done so in my local group for the last 10 years.
but i dont want to join a elitist group of people who think the sun shines ,ect and dont listen to there own members or potential members.

if you read the replys by other people, they all seem to think the same,its just the rsoc that dont seem to want to listen.

Lloyd

if only national group members go to donno this year ,do you think the rsoc can afford to run it again next year?no they cant,as it will run at a loss.so the rsoc needs the support of the visiting clubs.

BRAMMER

iTrader: (23)

Fucks sake

It's not ran the way i want it to be so i'll stir shit about the club.

100% agree with Scar

BRAMMER

iTrader: (23)

Rubbish mate, as Dave says theirs more cars this year booked through the club than 2006 due to opening extra space to members so your theory is wrong.

Lloyd

typical rsoc reply,we cant be wrong so it must be you.just ignore the issues raised.

BRAMMER

iTrader: (23)

But lloyd you moan and moan about something you don't contribute to or have no intention of contributing to, Why????

frosticles

PREVIOUSLY WRITTEN BY LLOYD

ok here goes my 10 peneth worth.
all the opinions i state are my own ,and are not the opinions of the central rsoc or its members.
my rs history,
i got involved with the rs scene back in 1986/7. when i worked for tickford building the rs 500. previous to that was ford main dealer mechanic.
over the years i have owned many rs models,and loved them all.
being a forum member on the rsoc site,myself and 2 others arranged a meet at the bull inn pub in atherstone.as the 3 of us stood in the pub chatting the central rsoc was formed. i have been involved with central group from the very begining,up to the present day,and have made lots of mates,and we get on well together.
the central group have just got on with things, without much imput from the national group,and has steadily grown over the years to what it is now,with its own very big regional day.
i have never joined the main rsoc,why?
because in the early central group years we where regarded as a troublesome group,when we where refused funding for central day,and it was stated that the rsoc hoped we failed in putting the show on,but other groups where funded to start their show.regalia going to spares day at donno instead of central day.plus lots of other issues,too many to mention on here. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY LONG TIME AGO AND THINGS CHANGE. CENTRAL GROUP ARE NOW HIGHLY THOUGHT OF WITHIN THE RSOC AND ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE MAIN CLUB AS ARE ALL THE LOCAL GROUPS.
so what do i think should change?
too many committee members have their own agenda,and only want push there own ideas .and specialist interests. ie concours and certain classes of motorsport that they are involved with. AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER, ALBEIT ONLY RECENTLY I HAVE HAD NO EXPERIENCE OF ANY OF THESE COMMENTS???? I JOINED THE COMMITTEE AS I WANT TO HELP THE RSOC TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES AS I AM SURE THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE DO. I HAVE ONLY SEEN 100% DEDICATION FROM THE COMMITTEE TOWARDS THE MEMBERS SINCE JOINING WITH MANY CHANGES BEING IMPLIMENTED AS SUCH FOR THE BETTER OF THE CLUB/MEMBERS.
the attitude that you are not a member so you dont have a say is very poor.current members should be listened too,but you also need to listen to non members,as these are the people who could potentially join the club.
I AGREE, CURRENT MEMBERS SHOULD BE LISTENED TO AND THEIR COMMENTS/IDEAS SHOULD BE DULY NOTED. AS FOR NON-MEMBERS HAVING A SAY, I'M AFRAID I DISAGREE. A NON-MEMBER SHOULD HAVE NO SAY WHATSOEVER AS TO HOW THE RSOC IS RUN AS THIS IS FOR THE MEMBERS TO DECIDE HENCE BEING A MEMBER. SAY, YOU RUN A CLUB AND NON-MEMBERS OF YOUR CLUB START DEMANDING THINGS SHOULD BE CHANGED ETC, I BET YOU WOULD SAY BECOME A MEMBER THEN WE WILL LISTEN TO YOU AS YOU HAVE HAD NO INPUT WHATSOEVER TOWARDS THE CLUB THEREFORE YOUR SAY WILL BE LIMITED. THIS IS ONLY FAIR TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PAID TO BECOME FULL MEMBERS.
national day, i agree. only main rsoc members on regional stands,but if the regional group has 40 main rsoc members,they should all be allowed on their group stand.
if not a member of a local group,then registras stand.SPACES, AS ALWAYS ARE LIMITED. LOCAL GROUPS ALL GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE 20 RS CARS ON THEIR STANDS OPEN TO FULL RSOC MEMBERS ONLY. THE REGISTRARS DISPLAYS ARE ALLOWED MORE THAN THIS SO THEORETICALLY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE OVERFLOW FROM THE LOCAL GROUPS AND/OR NON MEMBERS OF LOCAL GROUPS WISHING TO DISPLAY THEIR CARS.
then once the national group members have been sorted,visiting groups allowed if any space left.if they are allowed rs cars on stand,then isnt this a good oportunity to try to get them to join the rsoc? a captive audience as such lol.
i dont agree with the associate member part of the rsoc,why not just have a membership? that way people who have sold rs cars ,and are looking for something else rs, can still be a full member.people who love the marque,but dont actually own one,can join and support the club.
central group have active members who dont even own a ford. I AGREE WITH THE ASSOCIATE MEMBERSHIP FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T OWN AN RS CAR. ONCE AN RS IS SOURCED THEN THEIR MEMBERSHIP WILL BE UPGRADED TO FULL MEMBERSHIP. I KNOW OF A FEW MEMBERS OF NOTTINGHAM GROUP WHO ARE ASSOCIATE MEMBERS WITH NON-RS CARS. THESE PEOPLE ARE WELCOME TO DISPLAY THEIR CARS AT VARIOUS SHOWS DURING THE YEAR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NATIONAL DAY WHICH IS FOR FULL MEMBERS ONLY. IF OWNERS OF NON-RS CARS HELD FULL MEMBERSHIP THEN THEY WOULD BE WANTING TO HAVE THEIR CARS ON DISPLAY AT NATIONAL DAY WHICH BEING THE MAIN RSOC EVENT OF THE YEAR IS FOR RS CARS ONLY.
regional groups need more involvement from the national group,attending local agms ect,helping the group run properly. listening to individual members who may be indissagreement with the local group committe,and mediating between them. ANY REGIONAL GROUP WHO WANT THE HELP OF THE COMMITTEE ONLY HAVE TO ASK. THERE ARE VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTE INCLUDING KEVIN CANNON WHO REGULARLY ATTEND AS MANY REGIONAL MEETS AS POSSIBLE. WE CAN ONLY ATTEND SO MANY THOUGH AS TRAVELLING AND FAMILY LIFE DOES GET IN THE WAY.
the club needs more internet involvement,lots of questions are asked ,and it can take days to get a answer,if anybody bothers at all.thats why most of the rumors start,because there is nobody to give a official reply.threads turn to shit with speculation,and it turns into a slanging match between rsoc members defending there club,and others trying to find answers,and some shit stirrers,as usual on internet forums. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS. THING IS THOUGH, WE CANNOT ALL JUST SIT ON THE FORUM TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT ARISE AS AND WHEN AS WE DO HAVE BUSY WORKING LIVES THAT DO TAKE A PRIORITY DURING WORKING HOURS. MOST OF US ALSO HAVE FAMILY'S WHO'S EVENING TIME IS TAKEN UP WITH THIS. THIS IS NOT AN EXCUSE BUT A FACT OF LIFE. DEPENDING ON THE SUBJECT RAISED BY A CERTAIN POST A LONE COMMITTEE MEMBER MAY NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE AS TO POST A REPLY (MYSELF INCLUDED) SO WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE PERSON WHOM THE QUESTION IS AIMED TO REPLY IN PERSON. I DO THINK THAT ONCE A QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED THEN THE COMMITTEE MEMBER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ANSWER SHOULD BE INFORMED AND INSTRUCTED TO ANSWER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UNFORTUNATELY AS ON MOST FORUMS, THERE ARE MANY "KEYBOARD WARRIORS" OUT THERE THAT ARE JUST ITCHING TO STIR UP TROUBLE AT THE SLIGHTEST PROVOCATION. THESE PEOPLE USUALLY HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO AND RELY ON 3RD PARTY INFORMATION WHICH IS USUALLY COMPLETELY WRONG THEN JUMP ON THEIR KEYBOARDS SLAGGING OFF ALL AND SUNDRY (USUALLY THE COMMITTEE)
WE, AS THE RSOC COMMITTEE ARE WORKING VERY HARD TO PLEASE THE RSOC MEMBERSHIP BECAUSE, WITHOUT THE MEMBERS THEN THERE WOULD BE NO RSOC. WE ARE ALL VERY APPROACHABLE (IN REASONABLE HOURS) IF ANYONE DOES HAVE A SUGGESTION OR A COMPLAINT THEN WE ARE THER TO LISTEN.
CHEERS, KEVIN FROST, RSOC COMMITTEE.
__________________

-scar-

I went down to my Local ex-servicemens club today to hark on about the way their committee runs things. I complained bitterly about them being an eliteist bunch, that they should have places for non-members, I also didn't like their attitude when I asked them if I could bring some mates down who weren't members and play on their snooker tables for free like their own members.

In the end they slammed the door in my face and told me that unless I was a member they wouldn't entertain my view point.............

Now I know this is an analagy Lloydy, but it has exactly the same undercurrent in what you are saying constantly about the RSOC, you want the voice but don't want to be a member.

I, like many, have my concerns about a few things within the RSOC but the committee are all volunteers who are rightly elected each year by the PAID UP MEMBERSHIP. If someone has anything to discuss or a concern, then let them bring it forward to the AGM, which is open to all PAID UP MEMBERS. If you feel so strongly then pay your due's and come to the AGM and put your viewpoint forward.

Until then, like every other organisation in the whole world - if your not a member then you don't have a say in it's running.

And yes i've read the thread, it looks like all the questions have been answered. And yes this seems to be the only place where the RSOC gets a bashing from a few people. 4500 members must obviously be wrong because a few people here are having a go.


Just a parting thought but....... it does appear that you do complain bitterly at every possible opportunity but you help out as much as possible with Central Group - is it a case of you REALLY WANTING to be a member but too tight to pay the subs??? Just think, if you join the club, you can take even more of an active role in Central Group, secretary, treasurer, show organiser or even chairman one day?

-scar-

Exactly!

Matt Evans

Frosticles & Scar - I couldnt agree more.

Rs Gary

its simple if you want to have a moan about the committee or how the rsoc is run then PAY UP if you dont want to pay to be a member you have NO SAY
there you go simple,its the same with every club with paying members round the world
cheeRS gary
AKA shrek
ps i had a dispute a few years back with the rsoc about infield parking and that NON members paid the same as fully paid members,not fair in my eyes now its changed im am 100% in agreement

Scottish Greg

Frosticles and Scar ..... well said.

I have been a member for 11 years now and i dont like everything that happens with the national club, but that doesnt stop me from enjoying the cars and meeting people who also like the cars.

COS 22

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i can understand you still feel bitter lloyd about not getting a loan all those years back but in reality when you set the central group up the then local group organiser was not doing his job correctly cos u have never been a member and if you were a founder member of central you should have been.

most committee has changed since then and i think you should move on and try to get on with us instead of trying to stick a wedge between us, i know you dislike me very much, that does not bother me at all, i still came and judged at your show for you !

as i said in an earlier post if anyone is unsure of visiting car clubs give ricky a call, he will sort it out

regards

Dave Easton

RS2000CUSTOM

Where exactly do you think, that I as an RSOC member think the sun shines from ?

Cause I can tell you for sure that nothing "Sunny looking" shines out of my aRSe

So yet again your statement is another example of an all encompassing slagging off of The RSOC and its happy to pay to be a part of, paid up members.

frosticles

Can we now put this to bed please?

XRdodgybird

Dumb question time again.... sorry.... is not paying the Ł15 per person entry fee enought to contribute towards the show? A car full would generate Ł75 through the gate....

I know this doesn't affect me in the slightest, being an XR owner and all that, and I can hear you all saying, "naff off" and words to that effect, but I can sympathise with people who do not want to pay membership to RSOC but genuinely want to attend this show, paying extra membership to the club on top of the entry price is just ridiculous.

BRAMMER

iTrader: (23)

They don't have to join, they can park in the car park like all the other non members

RS2000CUSTOM

Not till Lloyd tells me where the sun is suppose to be shining from out of me !

He seems to know an awful lot about me and intimate details of where things exit my body

I call him brave or stupid if he wants to get near my aRSe and have a look

pa_sjo

I think RSOC members should be banned from PF

Unless they pay for Gold membership

RS2000CUSTOM

Not a bad idea but in the interest of fairness ALL non Ł20 payers should be banned in that case.

btw :- lots of crap is spread about the RSOC and its Ł35 membership fee

What does the PF Gold Membership Ł20 get ya ?

Spending Ł35.00 with The RSOC gets you (or Ł80 for 3 years)

A membership card
6 "professional" copies of Rallye News
Tax disc holder free when first joining
Website and bulletin board forum
Registrars particular to your Ford RS model
1 insurance valuation per year (subject to a Ł6 HPI check)
Access to a limited supply of discontinued genuine Ford parts
RSOC Insurance scheme
RSOC Track day events (subject to track pass fee)
Local group regional days (subject to entry fee)
National Day

Whilst the above is not a full and final list it give people the idea what you get for your money.

I await a PF Goldmember to reply

pa_sjo

In the interest of fairness? You mean like inviting mixed-Ford car clubs to the RSOC days to fill the event up but not letting people with RS's attend their invited clubs stand unless they pay the RSOC a membership fee?

RS2000CUSTOM

As I feel has been mentioned before

RSOC Local Groups are NOT allowed RS cars on their stands unless they are Paid up members of The National RSOC (btw NON RS cars are not allowed on local group stands at all)

Visiting car clubs (to make the numbers up as you say) can have whatever cars they like on there stand RS BMW Vauxhall Lotus blah blah blah blah.

They pay an entry fee to the show and do NOT have to join The RSOC

Methinks you must be a little confused with all the incorrect posts on this thread - hope I have cleared this up ?

RS2000CUSTOM

One further point

AN RSOC local group is considered part of the Main show and therefore all local groups will be situated on the Melbourne Loop

Visiting car clubs are exactly that Visitors but The RSOC provides infield show/parking area for them

Some members of the public may consider ALL stands to be part of the overall show but Liability wise Local Groups are an attraction/sideshow so exhibitors MUST be a member of The RSOC otherwise it will have Liability Insurance implications

BRAMMER

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I'm an RSOC member and Gold here, your neither

RS2000CUSTOM

Maybe he is an advocate of free speech ?

FREE being the operative word !

cosevo

so the final outcome is :

Visiting Car Clubs are Allowed to attend and are Allowed to have RS and Non Rs cars on their stands and dont have to be paid up members. So the same as its always been then, nothing different from any other National Day in the past

So why was the RSi on TOUR told by Gizmo they were not allowed to have a visiting car club stand, and he also told me that NO visiting car clubs would be a national day this year, including PF, fordSport etc, this was told to me on the phone a month or so ago.

Have the rules been changed now???? Or has there been a lack of communication????

RS2000CUSTOM

I agree this is my understanding as well

RSi on Tour has no reason not to be considered a visiting club

What it cannot be is an RSOC Local Group

I run an Old Skool website

www.rallyesportescorts.co.uk and we call ourselves The Works Team

Because The Works Team is NOT an affiliated RSOC Local Group we also could NOT show on Melbourne Loop with the RSOC Local Groups but we could have a Visiting Club stand on the infield/parking area

Am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong

cosevo

Such a shame, as quite a few of us have decided not to go to the show now as we were told NO visiting car clubs. Always knew we would not be with the Local groups and were more than happy to be parked with PF, UKFORD, etc, as we are all the same, ford enthusiasts with RS and non RS cars.

Oh well, too late now I guess to arrange something. Big shame we and a few of the other clubs that are now not going weren't told the correct info at the start.

RS2000CUSTOM

Its never too late

Contact Tony Fuller and show on his Registrars stand - He has room for 40 cars !

Obviously you need to be an RSOC National Club member

cosevo

Thats the thing, as the RSi on TOUR is made up of 50/50 rsoc members and non-members, we cannot go on Tony's stand, which even if we did is like abandoning the RSi on Tour club that we have been running for the last 5 years. We wanted to go as a Club and fly our flags so to speak, as we would normally do

RS2000CUSTOM

Then without it appearing to be going round in circles the 50% non members are going to have to decide to join The RSOC and be a part of National Day

Or not join and do something else

RS Owners cannot expect to be a part of RSOC National Day unless they are members

The Works Team managed to arrange 52 cars on a Visiting stand at this years AVO show @ Stanford Hall yet we are not having a stand (visiting or local group) at RSOC National Day because all of The Works Team are not RSOC members and we are NOT recognised as a Local group so we vote with or tyres and people do there own thing

Personally I am on track (10 year RSOC member)

RSOC members are going onto the Registrars stand or their local group

Non RSOC members have to decide if they go on a visiting club stand or park in the public car park

I would pay my membership money and go on the registrars stand if I was not already a member

Simple really

cosevo

Thats what we wanted do all along, but was told there wasnt to be any visiting clubs, hence why wasnt allowed to book a visiting club stand

We are a visiting car club at every event we goto and thats perfect for us, we all get to park together, we can have any car on the stand. its all about enjoying the day with our lot.

RS2000CUSTOM

Visiting clubs were not given any space early on as paid-up members were given priority

Once all RSOC members/registrars stands/local group space was confirmed then visiting clubs could be allocated space.

But why would an RS Owner want to be anywhere other than on an RSOC club/registrars/local stand ?

That would be like owning a BMW, wanting to be a part of the show and going to BMW's major show of the year yet parking up on a Subaru stand or worse still parking in a public car park

Dont make sense to me

What I am seeing in this thread is people making a protest against the RSOC and not joining yet they want a voice and to be part of The RSOC's National Day

Sorry but that aint ever gonna happen

You pays your money and makes your choice !

cosevo

Totlly understand that and 100% agree

Just a shame certain visiting clubs that attend every year were not told this once space became available and only find it out on a non RSOC site with less than 1 week to go. Why was there not a thread on the RSOC giving those regular attending visiting clubs the opportunity to book

Because with many a car club its nothing to do with what group/club you belong to/pay into, its about friendship, the social, the fun. Why do RSOC members come on the RSi on Tour stand ar combe/croft/etc and not go with their local groups, same reason, about staying with friends. Same reason why some visiting club on the odd occassion have a non ford on the stand, cause they are all friends and all enjoying a day out

fuzzy

it sounds to me like the rsoc are much like the bmwcc....

RS2000CUSTOM

Whys that ?

Do non BMWCC BMW owners also want a say in how the BMW club is run yet do not want to pay to be a member because thats all that this is about !

cosevo

Im not asking for a say, as I don't think I've got a right to decide anything in the club, just like the members <---(that was a joke).

Nevermind, whats done is done, maybe we can attend next year