Spiky

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as i dont know of any,

would you think they would fit????

lead_foot

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Yes, I would think it would fit with a bit of work.

Porkie

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cool man!!!! wicked idea.

Marts Rover is a right grin to drive!

Spiky

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only down side i see,

i would piss off soooooooooooooooooo many cars having a 205 pass them

the engines are fairly cheap to buy aren't they??? 1k ish??

can a std ecu run a 300bhp engine?

would it need head work for 300bhp?

or just diff turbo and up the boost?

Porkie

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lots of different types of those engines mate with different valves, rods, pistons, Turbos etc etc...

So it depends what one you are talking about

Matt Evans

Now that sounds like a proper idea!

Wasnt Martoon thinking of doing an RS1600i with the same VAG engine?

I suppose its the bellhousing/transmission issues thats the biggest to overcome?

Nothings impossible given enough forethought and money?

Out of interest does martin offer these VAG conversions on MG's /Rovers as a regular thing nowadays?

carlo

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Good idea great engines.
There is a 225 leon engine in a mk2 golf round my way remap ect goes really well.

stu21t

i know of a reno 5 with a vag engine up front
and a clio (bubble shaped on, 03 shape) with a 400bhp vag lump, again in the front

if it fits in them i cant see why it wont fit in a 205

i also think theres a 5 being built with one in the boot but im not sure

taycoss

Im planning going down the 4x4 route on a 205,have an impreza lying here so planning to fit in a 205.Like your idea and its good to be different.

Richie.

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Martooon runs a chip and some boost for about 270bhp.


Sensible as you can have a spare standard engine ready for when you blow it up

Spiky

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ok, some good info there,

maybe i need to do some investigation and find which engine would be best.

as i dont want an unreliable engine something fast and reliable

Lambchop

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you do that anyway so who cares

more horsies in there would be simply awesome. Goes like stink as it is

stu21t

i can get more info on the 5, and pics so you can see how much room there is, if you want

wont be till i get home tho.

smithy20vt

I would buy an AGU which is the earlier engine with the bigger port head and either stick with stick manifold injector fpr and change to a ko3s turbo with a decat, new turbo intake and a fmic you woul be looking on a remap near to 250 bhp.

Or go for a BAM which is the later 1.8t from either the Leon Cupra R or TT with 225bhp standard with the KO4 turbo with a map your looking at 270bhp

It's really dependent on long term whether or not you will be going big turbo ie IHI etc as the AGU is what a lot of people prefer due to the head.

jameswrx

Only thing I can see being a problem is the depth (front to back) of the VAG turbo engine/head. I've seen in the bay of a turbo technics 205 (on the 8v 1.9 gti engine) and it was very tight to the bulkhead.

Then again people slip mi16's in ok, so who knows. The VAG heads do look quite deep when you look at pics though.

Spiky

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more pics of the 5 please

the gti6 engine i have has a large inlet as it is, and a tubular manifold as std

Ish

His MG is running a DTA ecu.

Luca

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Had a little search for some pics and found these, if they fit in a Mk1 Golf I cant see why they would not in yours.

Best scenario fit Emerlad management to it.

smithy20vt

Emerald is good as is Qpeng

Spiky

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sweet

cheers for the pics.

Thompy

bonkers idea i like this alot!!! just think if it fits in the back of an elise it will squeeze in th 2 0. my m8s mi16 205 was tight but damn was it worth it

jb fletch

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We've fitted a TT BAM engine into a Mk 1 Golf on standard management, if your goinf for a BAM lump & wanna stay wit the VAG ecu, then you NEED clocks, keys, ecu, loom etc due to the immobiliser.

If your goin BAM on aftermarket ecu, then you need to change the throttle body as it's fly-by-wire.

Quickest way to see a BAM lump without lookin for the BAM stamp is the throttle body is on the right hand side of the inlet manifold.

We stuck a AGU in a Mk 2 Golf Rallie on DTA & @ 1.5 bar boost the thing absolutely flew !!

Well recommended !!

jb

smithy20vt

Are you running the Stanard KO3 at 1.5 bar? Or have you stuck on a Ko3s?

Just interested and the Ko3 is tiny and completely runs out of breath at 5k and feels pretty diesel like....

jb fletch

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I "believe" it was a Ko3s, but can't remember to be honest, it was a few years ago & I was jus told it was a "hybrid" turbo lol

Think I remember the fella sayin it was still a Ko3 tho, so guessin it would be an "s".

The BAM engine had the Ko4 on it, I know that much !! lol

jb

Martin-Hadland

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It's actually on MBE but may soon be changed for Pectel as I dislike the MBE software.

Ish

I was nearly right

stu21t

theres that 205 in france thats got the 3l 6cyl supra engine in it
if that fits im sure the vag will. lol
and they hardly modded the car to fit it at all. lol

Si B

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Great idea Spiky and one I considered right up till when I got rid of the 205 with the arrival of the Evo.

I looked at a Passat with 1.8T lump, and when I measured things up back then (late last year) it seemed feasable. Deffo do it, will be awesome as outright power is the only thing your 205 really needs to be quick EVERYWHERE on track

Si

tobyjug_1988

fella on courses i have to go on for work, his cousin owns a clio with a VAG lump in the front although thats a phase 1 with phase 2 bodywork. apparantly it fucking flies!!!

Dicko&Vacant

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the ibiza ive just got is on dta management with an ihi turbo conversion and and 660cc injectors and is 358hp on the standard engine

just been talking to the bloke who mapped it and he said the turbo and manifold are limiting it from any more power at the mo

pete mcrash

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......i can see the future for u...................................BOOM

Crowder

it'll fit nicely those bays are big! i reackon your onto a winner!!

Spiky

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i agree

i would need to see the costs though,


like how much for engine, ecu loom,

what gearbox?

drive shafts?

exhaust, i'm sure would be fairly easy

where are the engine mounts? though i guess this can be fairly easily sovled

Farmer Giles

is there much weight difference between your current engine and the VAG unit ??

you don't want to ruin the handling by adding too much weight in the front.

Spiky

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well they said that about me running a gti6 over an mi16,

they no faster than mine so it hardly makes an issue

Rossco

Thats what i was thinking, it wouls losee the whole appeal of the car.

Spiky

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ok bringing this back to the top

been looking at putting a T34 on my gti6 engine,

but would need to go lower comp and nice ex manifold (800 each)

so just wondering,


as i cant see me being able to turbo my current engine for 2k and SC my engine is 3k


so can i fit the VAG lump in my car for around 2k? feasable or out of the question?

i'm sure me and paul could do the fabrication for engine mounts,

but what about engine/box/ecu/ drive shafts cost?

wiring i can do (i should think )

Rab

Well, if it helps.

Here's one going in a Mk2 Fiesta




A CVH Turbo barely fits in a Mk2 fiesta... So should go in!

¬.¬

Dicko&Vacant

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spiky i was talking to a bloke today about doing the exact same thing to my 306 lol there is 2 blokes who run a vw based fabricating and wiring place near me.

One of them has a full bam 225 engine wiring etc everything you need he wants £1500 for the lot.

Spiky

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just waying it up dude, dont want to start buying bits then find out it's going to cost me a fortune...lol

drive shafts and gear linkages and stuff would need thinking about