Doby

i feel DIY coming on as i am around the house more nowadays taking a back seat

now its 2 choices cossie or evo 7 or 8 for me.

what is diy like on the evo,can you get as many aftermarket parts like the cossie?Is it any harder to fiddle with?Can you get big brake kits etc etc and of course is it the same kinda prices as the cossie?

i know a cossie inside out,but if its as easy to maintain/diy i think its time for a change

Of course i need to know how much bhp can the std evo 7 tranny take before becoming cossie 4x4 territory???

Chip

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Phil, the 7 or 8 are fundamentally the same car really, more of an issue is which derivative it is, ie the "MR" or "FQ" bit etc.

Engine bay is a little more cramped to work in and there are a few more sensors, but its still not rocket science.

A lot of the parts are far cheaper, as more supply worldwide for them.

Big brake kits etc are all readily available.

Have a look at modified cars for sale though, some bargains to be had, MLR should be first port of call as a reference really.

Standard transmission seems to be fine upto 500bhp, although rear diffs are an issue if not an RS one, but the standard clutch isnt great.

CossieRich

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Phil,

there are many many parts for evo's. Big brakes are of course available - ap, brembo etc

Tranny can take masses of power. much much more than a 4x4 cossei can cope with. I beleive parts are expensive though. The rear diff with yaw control is the weak part of the tranny. Need to bin it and find an rs diff

Doby

cheers chip,do they have the steel crank and rods like a cossie?..and what is the best model to go for?I fancy the 7.

Spiky

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dont buy a merc they fooking shite

and if you buy a ferrari, get a F355 anything else is just shite too

RWD_cossie_wil

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Phil, off topic, have you still got your 916?

Doby

every vehicle/bike is here including the monster a to the g

RWD_cossie_wil

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yours is the sps isn't it? Do you use it much, picking mine up on saturday, can't wait

Chip

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Standard crank is very strong, standard rods (well there are a few types, but talking generally) are good for no more than about 400bhp

Thats the biggest issue with tuning them really, to go past 400 you need to slap some new rods in which puts a lot of people off, daft really though as its not a big job to do in the grand scheme of things.

RWD_cossie_wil

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Easily the best way to tune an Evo IMHO is just buy a stroker kit with a 2.3 crank and the uprated rods/pistons, which gets rid of a lot of issues. Instant 500BHP + potential. Then the weakness is clutches and rear diffs, the RS model is considerably stronger in the diff department, so is the one to go for.

If you are looking to tune it, I would see if you can find one with a ruined engine, and rebuild it with a stroker kit

Mike Rainbird

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I know someone who has a silver 7 for sale - 450bhp, GT30, Autronic etc, very quick car (pulls the limiter in fifth) .

Doby

mine is the 916sp yep.Well done on the 996 but be prepared to ache like a mutherfucker on more than a 2 mile ride


Chip does the engine come out via the top or is it like the escos setup??

Doby

Mike,that sounds too expensive to me!!!!I want a car where the owner doesnt know what its worth in parts!!!!! PM me a price if you like.

carlo

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Phil the one that mike is talking about sounds good , saves you putting the above in it

Lambchop

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LMAO

bud-weis

get a 6! much better looking

Doby

Rather a shonky merc and a chaddy ferrari than being Welsh IMHO

Mike Rainbird

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He would want Ł14k for it, inc the Evo related number plate. It's MINT.

Lambchop

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that sounds like a reasonable price!

Chip

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I prefer the looks of the 5/6 but with these cars, it really is a case of newer = better generally speaking, they arent called "evolution" for nothing, each model out performs the last invariabley.

Mike Rainbird

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The 5/6 are more difficult to get cheap parts for as well, as it was the 7 onwards that was imported to the States, so they make loads of stuff for this and all the following models .

jameswrx

Main difference between the 7 and 8 (mechanically) is the gearbox.. 5 speed on the 7 and 6 speed on the 8 (unless you buy the 8 260 which is 5 speed)

I've driven both and prefer the box on the 7 myself, and many others do.

There's a nice looking 8 on PH for Ł10k though!

Doby

14k is too steep mike really i would prefer a cheaper std one and fiddle myself to how i wanted it,also maybe the 8 would be a better chice as chip said evolution.

Chip

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If you want something cheap just for the fun of working on it, get a 4, they are peanuts to buy.

If you want a trackday car, consider buying a modified one, you really do get great value out of them, ok 14K is 4 more than you planned to spend, but it would cost far more to get a 10K car up to the same standard

RWD_cossie_wil

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14k sounds a bargin for that, a 10k car wouldn't even have the engine built for that cash IMHO... sure he would take a sensible offer as well?

Doby

so is it deceided the evo is a better car than the cossie on this occassion to fiddle diy?

Chip

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To use for what at the end of your "fiddle"

How can anyone possibly comment on whether one car is "better" than another without having a metric against which to measure its suitability?

Personally as a DIY "fun road car" I still think a rwd cossie is hard to beat.

RWD_cossie_wil

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are you bored of cossies? If so get an Evo... only you can answer that one i'm afraid. It's like saying is a 916 better than an NSR 250

Doby

its a toy for me to fiddle,purely that,i have other cars that i dont touch,i miss tinkering so on this occasion would an evo be more complex for me than a rwd saff that i know inside out.

Doby

that beleive it or not is a very difficult question,imo my nsr250sp is the best 2 stroke made and my 916sp the best 4 stroke made,both totally different animals but both equally as good.

RWD_cossie_wil

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Hence the Question . If you want a challenge, buy a renault 19 16v, most horrid peice of shit I have ever had the displeasure to own and work on .. Nothing is a simple job

Chip

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God providing you a toy to fiddle with just for the sake of it, use that instead I reckon, wont cost you a penny, other than maybe some kleenex.

Personally although I enjoy the challenge of working on cars, its a challenge of working on them to achieve something generally, I always have something in mind that I want to achieve with any car im building, even if its purely to see how much power I can get from a particular engine configuration.

If you have no reason to do it, I suspect you will enjoy it less.

Doby

i will enjoy it immensely hence why i am going to buy another toy,my diy knowledge is limited and i dont want to get into a situation where i must take it to a garage for repairs like my other cars (too expensive to fuck with plus its all about FSH) hence why i am asking is an evo 7 suitable for me or should i just stick to what i know.

I wont bite btw so not really worth trying to get me to lol i got bigger worries than what is said on an internet forum,my life is in perspective now!

ps to add i feel i acheived on my cossie diy days not in your league of course but i felt happy.

Chip

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Wont bite at what? I was trying to give you some useful advice!

I see LOADS of people start and fail to finnish projects, including yourself multiple times TBH purely because they have no real reason for the project.
People like Mike with his ring obsession, or Porkie with his trackday habbits etc are the ones who tend to finnish things (I accept those arent good DIY examples) people without a use for the car are far less likely to see it through till the end, as ultimately you realise there isnt any "point" to what you are doing.

Doby

the wank comment lol,i am bored of doing that now

no i understand i rarely finish them,but it was always about getting the AMG,now i have that i am now in a position for a toy with no other distractions.The rally car was sold due to realising it was a stupid project and in no way a road car plus i couldnt go more than 350bhp realistically due to tranny.I dont need to achieve anything just satisfaction,and wanking all day aint doin it

Chip

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Maybe try a couple of trackdays and see if you enjoy them, it might give you a sense of purpose to build a car for?

pani_k

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Well sometimes its boring to keep at the same thing over and over again so you may by a cossie and think this is just the same old fucking shit as before and get bored. An evo may be different territory but by the reviews everyone gives of them I don't think you'd be wasting your money.

Doby

its so hard to find a mint cossie in the spec i would want for sensible money,just getting too old,i think as you say different territory will probably be best as i am looking at much more new so not much chance of corrosion,and i guess they cant be too hard to work on being a 4 pot turbo like the cossie and with the parts catologue it seems the evo 7 or 8 is the car to have and imo look better than the 5 and 6 because they look modern and i have always fancied that control for snow rain or tarmac Does the 7 and 8 have an active diff??

Doby

bttt

BigErn

Buying a Cossie and working on it just for the sake of it will just be a drain mate. You wont enjoy it at all and it will be "same shit, different car". If you fancy a look into Evo ownership Id have a look for a good spec IV and do a couple of track days to see if you get the bug for making it a road/track weapon. That way you will have a goal to achieve with it as Chip says and it could provide loads of fun too