Mad Rod back at the dyno today
05-08-2008, 03:28 PM
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05-08-2008, 03:33 PM
#283
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cant see why, will they pay my health bills if im taken ill, ive been advised to take it easy & not get stressed after a recent blood pressure check, or my engine bill if it fails cos we rushed it, cant run 200mph runs after 2.5years idle without a full days testing & that now cant happen, so an unfinished car means withdrawing im afraid.
05-08-2008, 03:38 PM
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yeah joe stevens from bluesprint motorsport is the man behind the manifold
(dont know why the others havent mentioned it)
hes been designing them for a while now and had the 1st one tested at harveys and said it produced some great results, especially with the distribution of the air to all 4 cylinders.
hes had a batch made up and sitting on the bench for a little while now but hasnt marketed them.
they have a round top part that bolts to the 4 trumpets, and there are 4 slots in the base looking at the road,
then theres a cone shaped part underneath that feeds the air from the throttle body which is infront of the std postioned one but at about the same height.
if that makes any sense, im doing this from memory, i dont have one to hand.
im sure some1 will post a pic or more details at some stage
i can get more info when i pick my engine up later in the week if people want?
(dont know why the others havent mentioned it)
hes been designing them for a while now and had the 1st one tested at harveys and said it produced some great results, especially with the distribution of the air to all 4 cylinders.
hes had a batch made up and sitting on the bench for a little while now but hasnt marketed them.
they have a round top part that bolts to the 4 trumpets, and there are 4 slots in the base looking at the road,
then theres a cone shaped part underneath that feeds the air from the throttle body which is infront of the std postioned one but at about the same height.
if that makes any sense, im doing this from memory, i dont have one to hand.
im sure some1 will post a pic or more details at some stage
i can get more info when i pick my engine up later in the week if people want?
The engine is also larger capacity so needs a diff requiment for inlet volume.
Mark
05-08-2008, 03:45 PM
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cant see why, will they pay my health bills if im taken ill, ive been advised to take it easy & not get stressed after a recent blood pressure check, or my engine bill if it fails cos we rushed it, cant run 200mph runs after 2.5years idle without a full days testing & that now cant happen, so an unfinished car means withdrawing im afraid.
Mike
05-08-2008, 03:57 PM
#286
Wounder, I was only going to this because of your Sapphire Rod. Not sure if I will bother now, as everything else will seem mundane 
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At least this now gives you the opportunity to test the gasket that Chip mentioned on the dyno (especially as it is possible FOC item).
Good luck and lets hope that enough eggs have been broken
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IMO, 2.2 bar boost, race fuel, 2-3 degrees away from det and the new inlet should see 800bhp given what has been posted. Job jobbed. No point in running mega boost and having constant HG issues 
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.At least this now gives you the opportunity to test the gasket that Chip mentioned on the dyno (especially as it is possible FOC item).
Good luck and lets hope that enough eggs have been broken
.IMO, 2.2 bar boost, race fuel, 2-3 degrees away from det and the new inlet should see 800bhp given what has been posted. Job jobbed
. No point in running mega boost and having constant HG issues .
05-08-2008, 03:59 PM
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No Safety is their first concern, I have said it is not completed & safe to run, the organisers are OK with that, they are not happy cos Mick Begley has also withdrawn with his engine requiring a complete rebuild after totb.
. Steve with the Granarda takes central stage now, its a good job I asked for him to be allowed to enter.Rod
05-08-2008, 04:07 PM
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Wounder, I was only going to this because of your Sapphire Rod. Not sure if I will bother now, as everything else will seem mundane .
At least this now gives you the opportunity to test the gasket that Chip mentioned on the dyno (especially as it is possible FOC item).
Good luck and lets hope that enough eggs have been broken.
IMO, 2.2 bar boost, race fuel, 2-3 degrees away from det and the new inlet should see 800bhp given what has been posted. Job jobbed. No point in running mega boost and having constant HG issues .
.At least this now gives you the opportunity to test the gasket that Chip mentioned on the dyno (especially as it is possible FOC item).
Good luck and lets hope that enough eggs have been broken
.IMO, 2.2 bar boost, race fuel, 2-3 degrees away from det and the new inlet should see 800bhp given what has been posted. Job jobbed
. No point in running mega boost and having constant HG issues .We are deffo not seeking more than 801bhp
, that would appear to be an easy target with possibly 760bhp on pump with the new inlet & then a safe 800 on 109. Its actually taken a weight off my mind let alone the stress of what was required in the next 4 days, ive been warned (yet again) to take it easy cos of long standing High Blood pressure , problem is I feel capable of doing everything you youngsters can do, but in my case its my Blood Pressure that cant do it, Been on medication for 15 years.
05-08-2008, 04:10 PM
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No not yet have a couple of mags interested, but im in no rush now, going away again in September so wont do anything till thats gone, theirs a VMax & a Daddy Thrash after that to test the car I suppose.
05-08-2008, 04:23 PM
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If you test cometics gasket for them can they not chip in for dyno time to advertise their product? It would be a bit make or break I guess.
Good to see it won't be too rushed but was enjoying the updates as it was interesting to read.
How much is dyno time at somewhere like prodrive etc where they may have this other equiptment for measuring peak pressures etc with out you having to purchase it? May still be way too much but might be an affordable option if you are interested. Or some other engine development type place, must be a fair few down your way.
Good to see it won't be too rushed but was enjoying the updates as it was interesting to read.
How much is dyno time at somewhere like prodrive etc where they may have this other equiptment for measuring peak pressures etc with out you having to purchase it? May still be way too much but might be an affordable option if you are interested. Or some other engine development type place, must be a fair few down your way.
05-08-2008, 04:28 PM
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Getting companies to give away products for this sort of car is one thing, but getting them to part with cash too tends to be harder, lol
If you test cometics gasket for them can they not chip in for dyno time to advertise their product? It would be a bit make or break I guess.
Good to see it won't be too rushed but was enjoying the updates as it was interesting to read.
How much is dyno time at somewhere like prodrive etc where they may have this other equiptment for measuring peak pressures etc with out you having to purchase it? May still be way too much but might be an affordable option if you are interested. Or some other engine development type place, must be a fair few down your way.
Good to see it won't be too rushed but was enjoying the updates as it was interesting to read.
How much is dyno time at somewhere like prodrive etc where they may have this other equiptment for measuring peak pressures etc with out you having to purchase it? May still be way too much but might be an affordable option if you are interested. Or some other engine development type place, must be a fair few down your way.
05-08-2008, 04:51 PM
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Genuinely dissappointed to hear both yourself, and Mick have pulled out. I was looking forward to comparing results...assuming all goes well for me.
Although if the weather here is anything to go by......I wont be going very quickly !!
I hope you can get the gasket issues resolved.... I know all too well what its like to have to make the decision to be patient, and stop panic building before an event.
I virtually stopped that carry on a couple of years ago ( well..almost ).....given there isnt any prize money with this type of stuff, it certainly isnt worth the stress, time or money involved.
Although being patient, usually means more time off the road but in the long run, always works out more enjoyable.
Hope to see you there anyway Rod ?
Although if the weather here is anything to go by......I wont be going very quickly !!
I hope you can get the gasket issues resolved.... I know all too well what its like to have to make the decision to be patient, and stop panic building before an event.
I virtually stopped that carry on a couple of years ago ( well..almost ).....given there isnt any prize money with this type of stuff, it certainly isnt worth the stress, time or money involved.
Although being patient, usually means more time off the road
but in the long run, always works out more enjoyable.Hope to see you there anyway Rod ?
05-08-2008, 05:07 PM
#300
Genuinely dissappointed to hear both yourself, and Mick have pulled out. I was looking forward to comparing results...assuming all goes well for me.
Although if the weather here is anything to go by......I wont be going very quickly !!
I hope you can get the gasket issues resolved.... I know all too well what its like to have to make the decision to be patient, and stop panic building before an event.
I virtually stopped that carry on a couple of years ago ( well..almost ).....given there isnt any prize money with this type of stuff, it certainly isnt worth the stress, time or money involved.
Although being patient, usually means more time off the road but in the long run, always works out more enjoyable.
Hope to see you there anyway Rod ?
Although if the weather here is anything to go by......I wont be going very quickly !!
I hope you can get the gasket issues resolved.... I know all too well what its like to have to make the decision to be patient, and stop panic building before an event.
I virtually stopped that carry on a couple of years ago ( well..almost ).....given there isnt any prize money with this type of stuff, it certainly isnt worth the stress, time or money involved.
Although being patient, usually means more time off the road
but in the long run, always works out more enjoyable.Hope to see you there anyway Rod ?
05-08-2008, 05:13 PM
#301
Wounder, I was only going to this because of your Sapphire Rod. Not sure if I will bother now, as everything else will seem mundane .
At least this now gives you the opportunity to test the gasket that Chip mentioned on the dyno (especially as it is possible FOC item).
Good luck and lets hope that enough eggs have been broken.
IMO, 2.2 bar boost, race fuel, 2-3 degrees away from det and the new inlet should see 800bhp given what has been posted. Job jobbed. No point in running mega boost and having constant HG issues .
.At least this now gives you the opportunity to test the gasket that Chip mentioned on the dyno (especially as it is possible FOC item).
Good luck and lets hope that enough eggs have been broken
.IMO, 2.2 bar boost, race fuel, 2-3 degrees away from det and the new inlet should see 800bhp given what has been posted. Job jobbed
. No point in running mega boost and having constant HG issues .it really isnt a boost related issue. This time it was just down to headgasket choice. Ok, so Mark didnt try a 3+ bar pull on the dyno this time and was no where near det with ignition
05-08-2008, 05:16 PM
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They have a 700bhp ish Ultima lined up, similar to the works car that holds the world 0-100-0 record. Its engine arrived crated from the States today & will be in the car over the next 2 days. Steve will beat it im sure over a mile although it runs 0-100 in the 5's.
Could have been you in the Mondeo Martin that was the plan.
Could have been you in the Mondeo Martin that was the plan.
05-08-2008, 05:20 PM
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They have a 700bhp ish Ultima lined up, similar to the works car that holds the world 0-100-0 record. Its engine arrived crated from the States today & will be in the car over the next 2 days. Steve will beat it im sure over a mile although it runs 0-100 in the 5's.
Could have been you in the Mondeo Martin that was the plan.
Could have been you in the Mondeo Martin that was the plan.
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05-08-2008, 05:42 PM
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its a beast that one he said the cooler could do with being bigger!! think he said water injection is next
05-08-2008, 05:46 PM
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I asked the question what happens if they fail and destroy the engine they did not want to pay for this and I happen to have developed my own spec CP piston so for me it was a waste of time.
Mark
05-08-2008, 05:53 PM
#310
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How much is dyno time at somewhere like prodrive etc where they may have this other equiptment for measuring peak pressures etc with out you having to purchase it? May still be way too much but might be an affordable option if you are interested. Or some other engine development type place, must be a fair few down your way.
05-08-2008, 05:55 PM
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Mark, its possible to still fit rings that need a lip in the liner, you just have to grind the liner instead of conventional machining it as it prevents the nikasil chipping i you do this.
Im informed Julian does this with the same liners as yours and coopers rings, he has been using cometic gaskets with the fire rings removed (special gasket) but is now going over to cheap payen ones apparently as it allows more clamping force to be put onto the rings themselves.
Cometic now do a new 7 layer gasket specifically aimed at very high horse power applications, and its a direct fit with no machining required.
If you are interested in trying them, Steve is confident he could get you a free one to try, as its interesting proof of concept for cometic for it to go on cars like yours. Let me know if you want more info.
Im informed Julian does this with the same liners as yours and coopers rings, he has been using cometic gaskets with the fire rings removed (special gasket) but is now going over to cheap payen ones apparently as it allows more clamping force to be put onto the rings themselves.
Cometic now do a new 7 layer gasket specifically aimed at very high horse power applications, and its a direct fit with no machining required.
If you are interested in trying them, Steve is confident he could get you a free one to try, as its interesting proof of concept for cometic for it to go on cars like yours. Let me know if you want more info.
I know about grinding the liners but at the moment I dont want to go that route,
Decided on what changes I am going to make these will take a couple of weeks to sort and I need a rest
so we will not be back on the dyno till mid sept as Rods is away and needs a rest also
.I will not be testing a Cometic gasket as we had total failier on the last one which has great claims for it but it was not as good as the mountune one.
Mark
05-08-2008, 05:58 PM
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about using there dyno but gave up trying, You can only try so many times to throw money at someone then you find someone else who will gladly catch it,Its a shame as they are only down the road from me.
Mark
05-08-2008, 06:15 PM
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when i was there, none of the dyno's were running. don't know if it was staff holidays or what, but you'd expect facilities like that to be used 24/7. weird. i have a contact that works there, i can try to get a name and number for you to try again if you're interested? or fed up with them messing about and now don't want to bother if they can't be bothered?
05-08-2008, 06:27 PM
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be great advertising for you,may gut rod by seeing you where he should be though its only natural.Be awesome to get your car there with what 900bhp with the push system?Get it done if you can enter,be great for peoples moral to see 2 of the best being in cahoots
05-08-2008, 06:44 PM
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Wounder, I was only going to this because of your Sapphire Rod. Not sure if I will bother now, as everything else will seem mundane .
At least this now gives you the opportunity to test the gasket that Chip mentioned on the dyno (especially as it is possible FOC item).
Good luck and lets hope that enough eggs have been broken.
IMO, 2.2 bar boost, race fuel, 2-3 degrees away from det and the new inlet should see 800bhp given what has been posted. Job jobbed. No point in running mega boost and having constant HG issues .
.At least this now gives you the opportunity to test the gasket that Chip mentioned on the dyno (especially as it is possible FOC item).
Good luck and lets hope that enough eggs have been broken
.IMO, 2.2 bar boost, race fuel, 2-3 degrees away from det and the new inlet should see 800bhp given what has been posted. Job jobbed
. No point in running mega boost and having constant HG issues .The gasket problems will be sorted and will be still running mega boost
, There's no point in stopping development due to a couple of gasket problems.Mark
05-08-2008, 06:53 PM
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Mark was the original the WRC? Why will it be different this time? 3bar or even 2.7bar is surely just showing that no gasket can handle that pressure,so its a stud fault as its lifting for the gasket to blow?Are all studs even?Did you check to see the torque before taking apart?I talk to many over the years so you never know something i say may help ROFL