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Old 26-07-2008, 09:48 PM
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i take the co pot works matt?
Old 26-07-2008, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay.
i take the co pot works matt?
yeah i adjusted the screw and it made a little bit of differance

The engine has always been a bit high but this takes the piss
Old 26-07-2008, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
yeah but it will wander around 14.7 not 14.5
yes they do..

14.5, 14.7, 14.9 ish
Old 26-07-2008, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
yes they do..

14.5, 14.7, 14.9 ish
agreed float about around those figures
Old 26-07-2008, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Baxter
yeah i adjusted the screw and it made a little bit of differance

The engine has always been a bit high but this takes the piss
im not convinced its lamba related its just to high re do the tps and change the water air temp for the sake on 20 quid itll be worth it
Old 26-07-2008, 10:04 PM
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tell u what ill give u a ring in the morn i might have a new sensor set in the avalanche as i changed it all to run the dta if so there urs
Old 26-07-2008, 10:04 PM
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Wheres the coil lead/coil pack in relation to the mapsensor.

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Old 26-07-2008, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Wheres the coil lead/coil pack in relation to the mapsensor.

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ah bloody good point
Old 26-07-2008, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Wheres the coil lead/coil pack in relation to the mapsensor.

Mark
coil pack is up by the heater motor the map sensor is still on the ns inner wing
Old 26-07-2008, 10:08 PM
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and does the lamba lead go any where near the coil and is it shielded ?
Old 26-07-2008, 10:11 PM
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surely if the act, or ect were far enough out to raise the co this much you could spot an unrealistic value on the secs monitor?
Old 26-07-2008, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay.
and does the lamba lead go any where near the coil and is it shielded ?
no not shielded but its not close to the coil/leeds either(5-6"away)
Old 26-07-2008, 10:23 PM
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how close to ignition leads ect as it will effect with interference matt
Old 26-07-2008, 10:28 PM
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lambda wiring is about 6" away from coil pack and leeds
Old 26-07-2008, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Baxter
no not shielded but its not close to the coil/leeds either(5-6"away)
no to give you a example my fuel pressure gauge sender was 8 inch away from a coil lead and was giving a reading of 70 psi when actual reading was 45 psi , the coil and leads give off quite a strong interference signal which in turn give wrong readings or conflict readings
Old 26-07-2008, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
surely if the act, or ect were far enough out to raise the co this much you could spot an unrealistic value on the secs monitor?
true but is it seeing the right value or is it working correctly

the act or ect will have a default setting that will put the car rich if they are not connected properly or broken so the car will be rich what ever happens

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likewise the map sensor value cannot be seen on his secs, and the fact its in the std place under the header tank, where they get wet...id deffo check that out....they dont like moisture up em

could be fuelling for 30psi at idle
Old 26-07-2008, 10:53 PM
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Jim "the oracle" galbally. When will you learn to stfu!?
Old 26-07-2008, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
likewise the map sensor value cannot be seen on his secs, and the fact its in the std place under the header tank, where they get wet...id deffo check that out....they dont like moisture up em

could be fuelling for 30psi at idle
best fit agressive anti lag then
Old 26-07-2008, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BRIGSPORT
Jim "the oracle" galbally. When will you learn to stfu!?
jims a I.T geek im suprised he hasnt said turn it off from the mains wait 30 seconds and reboot
Old 26-07-2008, 11:26 PM
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I really don't know where he gets it from. He's gone from such classic posts (on interford) as coz we're boostin and a brakin!, to reckoning he's a world leader in closed loop,and religious factions in the western world!
Old 27-07-2008, 08:00 AM
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have you got a leaky injector? perhaps try unplugging them 1 by 1
Old 27-07-2008, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
have you got a leaky injector? perhaps try unplugging them 1 by 1
the injectors are less than a year old also i would of thought it wouldnt tick over as smooth as it does

But its worth a look

edit
thinking about it the co was quite high befor the new injectors were fitted
so it must be a sensor


the last few mot's we did i had to turn the fuel pressure down to about 1.5 bar

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Old 27-07-2008, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt Baxter
just checked wih the multimeter set to 20v and was getting a reading of .065 ish
If your lambda voltage is 0.065V then there is something wrong.

http://www.siipicossu.com/O2-Sensor.gif
Old 27-07-2008, 10:19 AM
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go to be some sensor fault somewhere

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Old 16-08-2008, 08:30 AM
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some news ?
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Had my idle CO checked yesterday after fitting L8 closed loop and without any adjustment it was reading 0.55%
Old 16-08-2008, 10:39 AM
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If you unplug an injector the CO will increase because of mifire.

All th problems many seem to have with the closed loop setup really makes me wonder if it is the way to go or not!!

My NMS chip has been faultless
Old 16-08-2008, 10:41 AM
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All th problems many seem to have with the closed loop setup really makes me wonder if it is the way to go or not!!
what problems?

you cant blame things like dodgy plugs and leaky injectors on the ECU software... rofl
Old 16-08-2008, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by James90RS
My NMS chip has been faultless

but never as fuel efficiant as closed loop
Old 16-08-2008, 11:05 AM
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It's probably allready been checked or mentioned, but doesnt he closed loop cut out if it detects movement on the TPS, maybe if its not set to fully closed on the throttle?

Dan
Old 16-08-2008, 11:47 AM
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Was the car all warmed up, as the oil temp is only showing 25 Degrees?
Old 16-08-2008, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by James90RS
All th problems many seem to have with the closed loop setup really makes me wonder if it is the way to go or not!!
Yeah, every manufacturer in the world since 1992 (Any many before in USA and Europe) are all fooking idiots. Pointless system.


Problems are NOT caused by closed loop systems. Every car in the world has had it fitted for over 16 years. Its tried and tested by ever manufacturere in the world and they still use it today. Even the saphs manufactured in late 1991 and ALL the Escort Cosworths had it as standard, as do all the Focus Rs, ST etc.

The problems are caused by faulty cars and owners not doing things correctly, as i get the feeling Matt may confirm...

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Originally Posted by SumpNut
It's probably allready been checked or mentioned, but doesnt he closed loop cut out if it detects movement on the TPS, maybe if its not set to fully closed on the throttle?

Dan
Give that man a prize. this is without doubt the most common problem we see when customers DIY the system and then complain it does not work.
Old 16-08-2008, 01:05 PM
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If its always ran rich i'd change the cts as first point of call IMO it could just be out of range and not being picked up by the secs

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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Yeah, every manufacturer in the world since 1992 (Any many before in USA and Europe) are all fooking idiots. Pointless system.


Problems are NOT caused by closed loop systems. Every car in the world has had it fitted for over 16 years. Its tried and tested by ever manufacturere in the world and they still use it today. Even the saphs manufactured in late 1991 and ALL the Escort Cosworths had it as standard, as do all the Focus Rs, ST etc.

The problems are caused by faulty cars and owners not doing things correctly, as i get the feeling Matt may confirm...

yep it was me that was at fault all sorted now tho thaks to Stu going through all the options of possible fuck ups I might of made

but like I said its all sorted now and i am getting over 80 miles extra to a tank so it sould pay for its self in no time at all



Thanks Stu for all your help it was/is much appreciated
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Come on then matt,what did you do ??????
Old 16-08-2008, 07:07 PM
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Since I got closed loop, I defo noticed my fuel needle is moving way less, despite being a lot faster and harder driven, light takes around 20 secs to go out for heater.
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Old 16-08-2008, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie
Come on then matt,what did you do ??????

well it sort of like this

i am a twat

when i did wires on the tpsi put a new plug on and managed to put pin 1 in hole 3 ,pin 2 in hole 3 and pin 3 in hole 2

only found this after
i replaced every sensor with new so 1 silly fuck up cost me dear
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Oooooops,least it's all sorted now m8,whats next for the saph then ?


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