Stu @ M Developments

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Yes, ive modded the post to reflect that point now.

PGT

so do you agree or not? seems you want both sides of that point - perhaps YOU have BOTH ideas what you are talking about!




confused again mike? please refer my original post 'and the bike is standard'. since you have 500hp in the cossie now ie over twice standard, you may be forgetting that people tune bikes as well. to support your point you have also taken my original example of all up weight for the bike a little too literally. why not use a STANDARD hayabusa. weight is more, but more power which will simply destroy the cossie on any straight, and that is a standard one. spend a liitle bit on it and it will be off the end of the runway at brunters before the car gets on boost.

much as i enjoy cars, there is little doubt that they are unfortunatley in a lower performance league than bikes

Anonymous

Nice one Ranj....
nice to see it all coming together for ya

Rhys

What performace as in straight speed and not track etc?

It's Czech Mate

Given the same distance, an R1 can only do 176mph at Brunters and a mere 500bhp Cossie 180+ - make of that what you will
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confused again mike? please refer my original post 'and the bike is standard'. since you have 500hp in the cossie now ie over twice standard, you may be forgetting that people tune bikes as well. to support your point you have also taken my original example of all up weight for the bike a little too literally. why not use a STANDARD hayabusa. weight is more, but more power which will simply destroy the cossie on any straight, and that is a standard one. spend a liitle bit on it and it will be off the end of the runway at brunters before the car gets on boost.

much as i enjoy cars, there is little doubt that they are unfortunatley in a lower performance league than bikes [/quote]

Which is why F1 bikes set faster times than f1 cars when they use the same track..............er they dont

GARETH T

i love that graph

Mike Rainbird

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Well every bike I have come across, I have managed to "push" out of the way , as the in gear performance is not good enough on a bike compared to a powerful Cossie.

Also it actually takes a VERY skilled test-rider to get a factory bike anywhere near it's top speed. This was proven in Performance Bikes a few years ago where they got different people to max out the same bike - the speeds from the peeps they got from the general public were something like 15-20mph down on the best PB tester, who knew that to get the speed, he had to mould his body in a certain way on the bike to get the aerodynamics right . They even did the same test with him NOT doing his "thing" (arching his back to creat a tear-drop effect) and it was 7mph down . So there is MUCH more to maxing a bike than holding the throttle wide open and holding on .

However, I take your point about the bike's being standard... .

PS. I am a biker as well and passed my bike test BEFORE my car test, so feel qualified to comment .

Anonymous

Thats interesting i wondered how mine compared on accleration to Martins. PF next month will reveal all. from 120 on mine are a tad faster.

Mike Rainbird

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2wd Rod - great once traction is obtained .

Matt

why the blips on martins acceleration? thought it ran a dog box so full throttle no boost drop clutchless changes

MAD matt-sab

good luck ranj keep us posted with pics and of course the graph !!!
u running nos too ????

Mike Rainbird

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(Fat )Matt you flid, its not a Zero-shift box . Just imagine what it would have been like on a MT75 shift .

Stu @ M Developments

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You still have to move the stick mate, and perhaps Martin was backing off ever so slightly to save destroying the box...

Testimony IMO to teh accuracy of this new Datron Kit

Rick

still takes time to change gear though

RANJ

havnt decided about nos yet, the engine has been built/specced for nos aswell tho

Matt

i know that you tart, just looks strange as its got bigger blips than the busa (also a non zero shift and presumably using the clutch unlike martins?)

@ mt75, would have been blip only as it left the box bits on the runway pre 10mph

Matt

how far is the throw on an r+d box, about a 15th of that on an mt75

CabrioTurbo

PGT the main reason a bike cant pull 200MPh down brunters is that it cant brake anywhere near as well as a car can! i imagine a VERY quick bike would do 200Mph down bruntingthorpe... but would it stop before the cones../cars/ field would it fuckery!

Mike Rainbird

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Matt,
Shows what you know .

The 'Busa has a sequential shift and you don't have to use the clutch on upshifts on a bike and the roadtesters rarely do so .

It's Czech Mate

Which aptly demonstrates my point a car will whoop a bike round the track all day long.

Thank you and goodnight

Mike Rainbird

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Matt,
You need to qualify/quantify that, as the majority of bikes will beat the majority of cars . The chances of any biker coming up against a car that he can't beat are pretty slim . For example, a shonky old 250cc bike would murder your car round ANY track... .

It's Czech Mate

Thats what I mean......say an ultimate evolution of a car...say F1 car, against the ultimate evolution of a bike, F1 bike......obviously not my fiesta

foreigneRS

but f1 is not the ultimate evolution of a car, and moto gp is nothing like ultimate development of a bike. they are the'best' that you'll get to meet the regs. that's all.

It's Czech Mate

I cant think of anything off hand that will lap a tarmac circuit faster than an F1 car.......

It doesnt need to be the ultimate anyway as 5th gear showed.

foreigneRS

how about an f1 car with a more powerful engine? easy enough if you remove the restrictions of the regulations (3 litre, v10 etc, etc), and slot in, a similarly developed 5 litre version. or wider, proper slick tyres?

or you could theoretically develop a bodykit for a motorbike to give downforce, or have wider rubber or whatever.

but we're digressing slightly from the point of the original post, which i think was that his car will be faster accelerating in most conditions on the road than many bikes. which i don't doubt in the slightest.

but you pay your money and take your choice. i'd rather pay much less money for that level of performance and do it on 2 wheels and have enough left over for a reasonably fast car as well.

Ian2wdsaffcos

Just another example of the tuned Cossie vs std bike I came across last night when sorting out my old mags.

Revs - Dec 2000

Martins Escoz & Green Mondeo vs Fireblade ridden by Performance Bikes journo Bob Gray in a straight line thrash. Both cossies running same T4 & 8 Greens combo.

To qoute Bob Gray re: the Escoz........
"That thing is fuckin unbelievable. At about 130mph you came up to me like I was on the brakes. I still can't believe it. Absolutely incredible. I won't be able to explain this to bikers. They just won't believe me"

As I suspect Ranj's car will have slightly more power than Martin's old old set-up I would say the thread title is deserving.......even if there are much more powerful bikes around than a 2000 'blade these days there will be alot of bikes that he will be able to "kill"

Ish

and so it should it be

the escort was at around 580 bhp that day!

markk

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i love this whole car v bike thingy i thinks its good to see the views on the car v bike every so often on a thread , especially when some of teh car people ( the shall we say 'non' experianced amongst us ) alway come out and say the cars always faster here and there etc etc makes me a little or should i say used to ,
like i say , it all good , there are peopls out there who have/had fast cars who have never experianced two wheels , i.e the range of 'new' hyperbikes , not the likes of teh shonky old fireplace or the original R1 series , yes all fast , but NOT by todays std, i consider myself to be qualified enough to comment having had bikes for nye on 8 years , and owning a relativley quick car and a relativley quick bike, and for me , its just totally diff thrill/buzz using both beasts !! hence i couldnt choose between the two
one thing i would say tho , is i would NEVER own another full on road car built for high power/top speed, there just so boring , and the oppertunity of use window is so small where as the bike is a massive compromise, very fast accel and top speed , i dont need the amount of room/time to get it there , awsome stopping power , and on teh daily run to work ( i do use it in all weather) it returns me a nice 55mpg !!

just doesnt get much better !!

DazC

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I just hope you bikes wiring loom is in a little bit tidier than your Cossie Mark!!

markk

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after 8 years and more engine/ancillerys / functions/combinations than i could ever imagine been put onto that car i think its entitled to look a little messy now !! were not talkin concours you know !!

as it happens i do have a poss full wiring re-fit over the christmas period to encompass all the extras that the car has had fitted since its 1st build nye on 8 year ago !! incl a new dash assy complete , there has been that many changes the original loom diagram that i made has absolutly no resemblance to the loom what so ever anymore hence the full refit also to get rid of some of the crappy racetech instrumentation that has not been too reliable or acurate since day one tbh

steviep

This arguement could go on forever and a day, but the plain fact is that cars rule and bikes are for that like leather FMPSL

markk

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how true ! i must be a normal manly biker then !! cause i hate leather and use gortex

DazC

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I was just impressed by crimped connections and the security of the fire extinguisher jets.

markk

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well you see , your actually looking at the bits that have been moved whilst upgrades are in place , as and when the car is right ( ) then permanent measures will be in place , tell me you solder every wire in whilst your trying out something to see if it works ? and ill call you a liar if you do

now , if youve ever done any work for vag ? then you will know about there soldering policy ??

ImaRacing 700

At the end of the day....your car Ranj dont look as good as my Duke

markk

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but will be 10 times more reliable

RANJ

i know phil









































it just looks a tad bit better

DazC

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If I am only trying something then no, I don't solder everything!

And I have no idea about VAGs solder policy??!!?!?!

ImaRacing 700

Markk only if it rains