DazC

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Ok,

I spoke to someone who specialises in making wiring looms for ECU's and this man was a hardcore Pectel fan up until recently. He has suggested I look at Life Racing and their F88 ECU as an equivelent to the SQ6 from Pectel.

I was set on the SQ6 and now I am confused again...

Anyone got any experience with the 2 ECUs?

Life have come from Pectel as they were the Pectel engineers so I recon it should be as good as the SQ6 at least but with never seeing it used or having any experience with it I'm just not sure.

J1mbo

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boths ecu's have alot of functions alot are not even used t6/2000 does enough for nearly anything just 1/4 of the price lol what is it for ??

DazC

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I've had T6 and sold it on.

It's for my Series 1 and whatever else I may fit it to in the future, but that is irrelevant really.

totalbhp

I have mapped both the ecu s on the dyno the life racing is very good although I have more
experience with pectel I would have no problem running or mapping either
Regards Harvey Gibbs

J1mbo

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why change from t6 is a better ecu really needed ?
but the f88 really is an amazing ecu anything u can wish for !
life racing are creating a f44 which is half the cost of the f88 and has a few less function but still more than enough
i think lol !

DazC

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Harvey,

Can you see anything that stands out between the 2 ECU's and companies that would swing a man who was pretty firmly in the Pectel camp away into the LR camp?

Excluding cost of course.

I'm just trying to weigh up what is best to go for.

pa_sjo

I think if i was looking to spend that kind of money on an ECU, i'd probably go with the LR one - simply because I see them as a bit more true to the core, where Pectel is now very corporate.

DazC

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Jimbo.

I like toys and features and want an ECU that will do anything I ask it to regardles of which car it's fitted to. The ECU may end up on a different car with very different features and the requirements will change again. I want an ECU with flexibility.

Bare in mind that T6 2000 is obsolete and has been for a few years. New profiles will eventually cease to be written if they haven't already.

DazC

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Yes, I can see your point in that. Pectel are part of Pi and they are tied into Ford somewhere along the lines.

In theory, the LR ECU should be as good as the Pectel stuff simply because its the men that used to work there originally.

totalbhp

As i said i would use either ecu they are both very good if you need to use all the toys the F88 is the business but it gets very complicated i have only just started to use life and realy like the way you can program the ecu i belive the back up service is going to be very good to

markk

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the problem with the life racing is actually getting any decent spec list, ive trwled the net to try and find a decent presentation from them but its shite, i wont use a T6 as its far to out of date and doesnt support the functions i want from an ecu, so if you find a decent spec and a price daz let meknow - id be very interested, if it also doesnt do DBW im not interested.

Chip

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Its a couple of ex pectel lads who started life isnt it?

Heard nothing but good things about them from the world of motorsport.

Bit overkill on a roadgoing cosworth engine like most of us have though, lol

markk

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yes ive heard good things, but nothing about what they are good at, and mines not for a road car

Chip

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Lol, I know yours isnt a road car mate, it was a reply to the thread not to your post, you just happened to be the last reply before I posted.

markk

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DazC

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Mark,

I have been told by this person who has used Life and Pectel units that the LR unit is actually ahead of the game compared to Pectel who are actually playing catch up. I don't know how true and what they are playing catch up on but this person seemed very well clued up on the Pectel and LR front so don't think he is spouting bollocks.

I have emailed LR to find out more but if I don't get a good response, I'll probably swing to the SQ6.

Complex or not, I want one of these 2 ECU's on my car.

Harvey, thank you for your valued opinion. I prefer to hear things from the people who have used both but saying that either will do doesn't help matters!! LOL!

pa_sjo

I agree with what you've been told about Pectel playing 'catch up'.. LR is just 'cooler'

Email them and ask for a demo of their calibration software..... then all becomes clear!

gus

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give tommy field a ring he has alot of experience with both ecu's

i was after a new ecu and when asked which one he would have it was the f88 that got his vote

Martin-Hadland

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How much is the F88??

DazC

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Martin,

When I sent an e-mail last night asking for some info on their ECU, I expected some kind of response within 24 hours and maybe some kind of price. Unfortunately my inbox is a little bare on replies from LR. Even if it was some kind of acknowledgement.

Your wiring loom man said that the ECU is cheaper than the SQ6 and just as good if not better and the support is better than Pectel. It was your wiring man that has put the doubt in my mind!!!

I'd have thought they would have some kind of PDF document they could send me or something. Their website is fucking awful....

The DIVA

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Daz....

Pi group are actually the sister company to Cosworth,both owned by Kevin Kalkhoven and are nothing to do with Ford afaik.....

DazC

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They may have changed now then.

Around the time LR appeared was around the time that the buyout of Pectel occurrred. Since then a lot has probably changed!

The DIVA

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Yeah.......Kalkhoven got bored with Champ car and fooked off to the Antarctic for 2 months

Champ car officially went bankrupt in March,after he had a big fall out with the co owners


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Kalkhoven

markk

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i agree that the website is shit, i emailed them about two months ago, so dont hold your breath, i just thought maybe you knew an insider ?

i couldnt even get a price

i got the price of the SQ6 fully active, and the motec M400, but the LR - nothing.

since that there have been a few developments in other ecu manufacturers that have caught my eye recently for my use.

DazC

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I already have the price of the Pectel unit.

No insider. I think I'll just have to get on the phone and just harrass the shit out of them...

What other ECUs have you been looking at Mark?

markk

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there are a few lower end units that seam to be catchin up with the drive by wire, ive yet to see them or get the full spec or even speak to the producers but im led to believe DTA, and MBE both may have all the functions i need.

M K

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call TOMMY FIELD @ FMS as he wil supply the f88 and all other versions of thier ecu as gus said he rates them very highly over most things and has a fair bit of experience mapping most of thier stuff

pa_sjo

F88R is about Ł1500.

J1mbo

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i thought it was wayyy more than that !!

markk

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but where do you get a spec list from of what it does for your Ł1500 ?

JonnyBravo

Unless you have money to burn, run a proper race car or just want to sound good down the pub I can't see the reason for needing such a ECU.

markk

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im well happy talking to the regulars down the pub about a 'life racing ecu' , because they all know what im on about

JonnyBravo

My point is what they cost, expensive products score points down the pub, surely you knew that Mark ?

markk

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plus the extra 300hp just for fitting it dont forget

JonnyBravo

Thats right, atleast were on the same wavelength

Chip

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My lawnmower runs on T10, my pub cock is huge.

DazC

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Do you know if the DTA has improved to make it actually live Mark? Last time I had to unlock the map, make a change, send a change, lock the map...pain in the arse and very frustrating....

If the F88 is 1500, then that is 900 cheaper than an SQ6. But that means nothing if the SQ6 will suck your cock and rim you at the same time but the F88 doesn't.

I have my reasons for wanting an ECU of such spec. I don't talk about my car to harldy anyone. I prefer to talk about other peoples cars instead. My own car I consider uninteresting....

totalbhp

Why dont you list the toys you require in the ecu rather than trying to let people guess what you want, then we may be able to sort the subject. The f88 is over 2k to buy as a full unit but there is different versions
There are also different options on the sq6.
Is it top secret what you require on your car ?

Martin-Hadland

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Harvey.... Does the F88 have the ability to control and active diff?

totalbhp

Hi martin i would have to say yes to that have spent quite a bit of time with the f88 have not found anything it cant do can make a call and find out for def tomorrow if you like